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3/20/2014 8:27:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1. Partial-claiming - Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns - Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected.

This is the first time I have balanced a game entirely on my own--I hope it works out. This could have TPs, could have flavors, etc. If it was in a prior game, it could be in this one. Also, a complete list of possible roles can be found here: https://docs.google.com...#

I hope you have a fabulous time ;)
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3/20/2014 8:29:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
LIVING PLAYERS

XLAV
Fazz
Ford
Oro
Jopo
Tyler
TS
Josh
Yay
Khaos
YYW

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
DP ends on 3/22/14, at 8:00pm DDO time.


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3/20/2014 10:09:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/20/2014 9:59:03 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Well, this is gonna be super confusing hah. Two star trek games going on at once

I'm assuming that makes you Patrick Stewart?
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3/20/2014 11:48:22 PM
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Tyler, your suggestion is weak. George Tekei is a more likely fit for FT.

This isn't only a star trek game by the way.
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3/20/2014 11:49:44 PM
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At 3/20/2014 10:13:43 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
I am not Patrick Stewart... But why would you assume that?

are you George Tekei?
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3/20/2014 11:49:44 PM
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At 3/20/2014 10:13:43 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
I am not Patrick Stewart... But why would you assume that?

are you George Tekei?
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3/20/2014 11:50:37 PM
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At 3/20/2014 10:09:54 PM, tylergraham95 wrote:
At 3/20/2014 9:59:03 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Well, this is gonna be super confusing hah. Two star trek games going on at once

I'm assuming that makes you Patrick Stewart?

What show are you from?
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3/21/2014 12:22:54 AM
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At 3/20/2014 11:49:44 PM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/20/2014 10:13:43 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
I am not Patrick Stewart... But why would you assume that?

are you George Tekei?

I'm not. So it looks like we are all actors then. Well I guess I just accidentally soft character claimed then hah.
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3/21/2014 12:24:41 AM
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At 3/20/2014 11:49:44 PM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/20/2014 10:13:43 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
I am not Patrick Stewart... But why would you assume that?

are you George Tekei?

hay fgt, im George TAKAI, mothaf*cka, im the popular guy cuz evrybody loves me and to prove it
VTL YAY

coincidence? not only did you spell his last name wrong, but howd you get him outta thin air? die pl0x
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3/21/2014 12:30:41 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:22:54 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 3/20/2014 11:49:44 PM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/20/2014 10:13:43 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
I am not Patrick Stewart... But why would you assume that?

are you George Tekei?

I'm not. So it looks like we are all actors then. Well I guess I just accidentally soft character claimed then hah.

Ok guess my character if you can. Battlestar Galactica.

I'm counting Tyler as Town BTW for now.
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3/21/2014 12:35:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/21/2014 12:24:41 AM, yay842 wrote:
At 3/20/2014 11:49:44 PM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/20/2014 10:13:43 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
I am not Patrick Stewart... But why would you assume that?

are you George Tekei?

hay fgt, im George TAKAI, mothaf*cka, im the popular guy cuz evrybody loves me and to prove it
VTL YAY

coincidence?
I think not

not only did you spell his last name wrong,

Not according to his IMDB
http://www.imdb.com...

but howd you get him outta thin air? die pl0x

thin air, wincon, tyler confirmed.
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3/21/2014 12:36:45 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:35:28 AM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/21/2014 12:24:41 AM, yay842 wrote:
At 3/20/2014 11:49:44 PM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/20/2014 10:13:43 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
I am not Patrick Stewart... But why would you assume that?

are you George Tekei?

hay fgt, im George TAKAI, mothaf*cka, im the popular guy cuz evrybody loves me and to prove it
VTL YAY

coincidence?
I think not

not only did you spell his last name wrong,

Not according to his IMDB
http://www.imdb.com...

but howd you get him outta thin air? die pl0x

thin air, wincon, tyler confirmed.

GODAMIT BSH, YOU SPELLED TAKEI WRONG
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3/21/2014 12:38:04 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:36:36 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
I'm counting Tyler as Town BTW for now.

wait what? why?

VTL Ford

for full claim
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3/21/2014 12:38:20 AM
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but to be serious, i really am George TAKEI* seeing as how fabulous is the theme, and it looks like so far the characters are spread throughout a bunch of stuff that i never heard of like Battlestar Nerdica
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3/21/2014 12:39:26 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:38:04 AM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/21/2014 12:36:36 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
I'm counting Tyler as Town BTW for now.

wait what? why?

VTL Ford

for full claim

no way dude. explain why tyler is town
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3/21/2014 12:39:45 AM
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At 3/20/2014 11:48:22 PM, Josh_b wrote:
Tyler, your suggestion is weak. George Tekei is a more likely fit for FT.

This isn't only a star trek game by the way.

no really tho, Tyler gets Patrick Stewart out of thin air and you get George Takei, howd you get that?
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3/21/2014 12:40:26 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:39:26 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 3/21/2014 12:38:04 AM, Josh_b wrote:
At 3/21/2014 12:36:36 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
I'm counting Tyler as Town BTW for now.

wait what? why?

VTL Ford

for full claim

no way dude. explain why tyler is town

VTL Ford for character claim (not full claim), also i think tyler is scum, he randomly pulled Patrick something out of thin air
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3/21/2014 12:41:23 AM
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VOTE COUNT

Yay (1/6) - Yay
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3/21/2014 12:42:15 AM
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VOTE COUNT

Ford (2/6) - Yay, Josh
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3/21/2014 12:45:26 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:39:45 AM, yay842 wrote:
At 3/20/2014 11:48:22 PM, Josh_b wrote:
Tyler, your suggestion is weak. George Tekei is a more likely fit for FT.

This isn't only a star trek game by the way.

no really tho, Tyler gets Patrick Stewart out of thin air and you get George Takei, howd you get that?

recognizing the win con. guess my character, it should be easy if you know the wincon.
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3/21/2014 12:50:33 AM
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VTL Josh for full claim

Tyler has literally made a one sentence post. That's it. Josh town reads him and VTLs me when I ask for his reasoning. Also, I agree with yay that josh seems suspicious for being able to guess Tekei right off the bat. That makes it seem like he has more knowledge about roles than the rest of us...

However, I don't agree about tyler being suspicious for guessing Patrick Stewart. Nobody has claimed him, so he may not actually be in the game. If someone does claim him... ok then yeah that will make him look a little shadier.

The less I say about my character, the better for town. So I won't be full claiming any time soon, sorry. I'll consider making a character claim, but I am still concerned that scum would be able to logically deduce my role from it.
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3/21/2014 12:52:05 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:41:23 AM, bsh1 wrote:
VOTE COUNT

Yay (1/6) - Yay

whoa. interesting that yay claimed popular and yet the vote count doesn't reflect that. bsh, if a popular role hypothetically existed, would your vote count show the extra vote required to lynch them or not?
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3/21/2014 12:52:28 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:50:33 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
VTL Josh for full claim

Tyler has literally made a one sentence post. That's it. Josh town reads him and VTLs me when I ask for his reasoning. Also, I agree with yay that josh seems suspicious for being able to guess Tekei right off the bat. That makes it seem like he has more knowledge about roles than the rest of us...

However, I don't agree about tyler being suspicious for guessing Patrick Stewart. Nobody has claimed him, so he may not actually be in the game. If someone does claim him... ok then yeah that will make him look a little shadier.

The less I say about my character, the better for town. So I won't be full claiming any time soon, sorry. I'll consider making a character claim, but I am still concerned that scum would be able to logically deduce my role from it.

Ok that's good enough for me.
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3/21/2014 12:53:03 AM
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At 3/21/2014 12:52:05 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 3/21/2014 12:41:23 AM, bsh1 wrote:
VOTE COUNT

Yay (1/6) - Yay

whoa. interesting that yay claimed popular and yet the vote count doesn't reflect that. bsh, if a popular role hypothetically existed, would your vote count show the extra vote required to lynch them or not?

A popular townie would be lynched when the vote count was (7/6) instead of (6/6).
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3/21/2014 12:53:18 AM
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like seriously, i dont understand the reason why not to character claim at all, unless you're playing a dope storyline game like buddas game right now, but ford, just character claim now and ill transfer my pressure to josh once youve done so
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3/21/2014 12:54:13 AM
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VOTE COUNT

Ford (1/6) - Yay
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