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Beginners' Mafia 23.2: DP2

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4/18/2014 11:31:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
DIED IN THE NIGHT

Mastery - You are the Doctor. Each night you may select a player. You will shield them from lethal actions. You win with the town.

XLAV - N/A

GRAVEYARD

Mastery
XLAV

LIVING PLAYERS

Lannan
TS
Endark
Ford
Niqash
GCL
Khaos
Yay

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at noon, DDO time, 4/20/14.

Good luck!
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4/18/2014 11:39:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
whoa... never seen that before. So I'm assuming this means we have a janitor in the house... Also, if anyone is familiar with conventional strategy for this role, does it mean XLAV was likely to be scum or town?
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4/18/2014 12:05:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 11:39:15 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
whoa... never seen that before. So I'm assuming this means we have a janitor in the house... Also, if anyone is familiar with conventional strategy for this role, does it mean XLAV was likely to be scum or town?

Presumably, he was not mafia.
Crazy gambit to janitor your teammate.

The reason scum janitors town is to get a free role claim out of it.
Scum now know a town role that will not be CC'd.
Of course, if XLAV was TP, that doesn't help them, does it?
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/18/2014 12:06:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:05:00 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 4/18/2014 11:39:15 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
whoa... never seen that before. So I'm assuming this means we have a janitor in the house... Also, if anyone is familiar with conventional strategy for this role, does it mean XLAV was likely to be scum or town?

Presumably, he was not mafia.
Crazy gambit to janitor your teammate.

The reason scum janitors town is to get a free role claim out of it.
Scum now know a town role that will not be CC'd.
Of course, if XLAV was TP, that doesn't help them, does it?

ok, so do you know if scum get to find out who died and what their role was before they choose whether or not to janitor? or is it like the doctor, where you pick someone at random and hope they get killed so your janitoring takes effect?
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4/18/2014 12:10:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:06:41 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:05:00 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 4/18/2014 11:39:15 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
whoa... never seen that before. So I'm assuming this means we have a janitor in the house... Also, if anyone is familiar with conventional strategy for this role, does it mean XLAV was likely to be scum or town?

Presumably, he was not mafia.
Crazy gambit to janitor your teammate.

The reason scum janitors town is to get a free role claim out of it.
Scum now know a town role that will not be CC'd.
Of course, if XLAV was TP, that doesn't help them, does it?

ok, so do you know if scum get to find out who died and what their role was before they choose whether or not to janitor? or is it like the doctor, where you pick someone at random and hope they get killed so your janitoring takes effect?

The person who does the night kill can use their janitor (similar to opting to use strongman). The death occurs (can be blocked of course), and if successful, all evidence of the townie is erased.
Obviously, since mafia is erasing their identity, they know what it is.

So, no, they shouldn't know who the NK's role is, nor do they have the role. They only get the information, and only after they died.

Too bad I had to out my commuter, it would have been wasted on me :(
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/18/2014 12:38:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 11:56:05 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Endarkoned!!!
Explain yourself!!!!

You had no reads, so why did you kill ANYONE!!!

I kind of fvcked up. Okay, I really, really fvcked up. I'm sorry. My thought process was as follows:

Assuming a 7:2:1 ratio

GCL was confirmed town at the end of last DP. XLAV and I helped confirm her, so that made me read XLAV as town. I've already read you, Lannan, and Yay as town. Ford said he would claim this DP.

That clears 7 people for me, counting myself. Given those odds, I thought I had a good shot at nailing one of the mafia. Plus, TN soft-claimed what I thought was Doctor. Mastery was inactive as sin, and a lot of his posts were fluff. I was also suspicious of Niqash, but he did soft claim, even if it was in code.
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4/18/2014 12:39:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:16:30 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Oh wow so that means the vig killed the doctor... dammit!

You said you'd claim this DP, so please claim.
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4/18/2014 12:41:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:39:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:16:30 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Oh wow so that means the vig killed the doctor... dammit!

You said you'd claim this DP, so please claim.

PGO
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4/18/2014 12:45:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:10:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:06:41 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:05:00 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 4/18/2014 11:39:15 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
whoa... never seen that before. So I'm assuming this means we have a janitor in the house... Also, if anyone is familiar with conventional strategy for this role, does it mean XLAV was likely to be scum or town?

Presumably, he was not mafia.
Crazy gambit to janitor your teammate.

The reason scum janitors town is to get a free role claim out of it.
Scum now know a town role that will not be CC'd.
Of course, if XLAV was TP, that doesn't help them, does it?

ok, so do you know if scum get to find out who died and what their role was before they choose whether or not to janitor? or is it like the doctor, where you pick someone at random and hope they get killed so your janitoring takes effect?

The person who does the night kill can use their janitor (similar to opting to use strongman). The death occurs (can be blocked of course), and if successful, all evidence of the townie is erased.
Obviously, since mafia is erasing their identity, they know what it is.

So, no, they shouldn't know who the NK's role is, nor do they have the role. They only get the information, and only after they died.

Too bad I had to out my commuter, it would have been wasted on me :(

Did someone check through his role if Khaos is actually commuter? He could easily be Mafia playing commuter. I'm not sure if it is me, but the way he says it is very suspicious.

And Endarken? Was your action redirected or did you actually kill Mastery?
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4/18/2014 12:46:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:41:53 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:39:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:16:30 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Oh wow so that means the vig killed the doctor... dammit!

You said you'd claim this DP, so please claim.

PGO

VTL Ford.

When we thought Khaos claimed PGO last round, you would have CC'ed. You didn't. Yet you didn't believe Khaos could be dreamer, as post 39 reveals.
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4/18/2014 12:48:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Did someone check through his role if Khaos is actually commuter? He could easily be Mafia playing commuter. I'm not sure if it is me, but the way he says it is very suspicious.

And Endarken? Was your action redirected or did you actually kill Mastery?

He already said he shot Mastery, part of his reasoning was that he was super inactive, which is true. He got subbed in the tvtropes game.

Also, I was initially suspicious of Khaos' "Don't visit me" DP1, because that sounds a lot like he was soft claiming PGO. However, he claimed commuter instead. Khaos is very smart and picks up on things fairly quickly, so I don't know if he originally intended to claim PGO but then sensed I would CC him and changed his story. Or he could actually be commuter.
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4/18/2014 12:48:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:45:01 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:10:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:06:41 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:05:00 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 4/18/2014 11:39:15 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
whoa... never seen that before. So I'm assuming this means we have a janitor in the house... Also, if anyone is familiar with conventional strategy for this role, does it mean XLAV was likely to be scum or town?

Presumably, he was not mafia.
Crazy gambit to janitor your teammate.

The reason scum janitors town is to get a free role claim out of it.
Scum now know a town role that will not be CC'd.
Of course, if XLAV was TP, that doesn't help them, does it?

ok, so do you know if scum get to find out who died and what their role was before they choose whether or not to janitor? or is it like the doctor, where you pick someone at random and hope they get killed so your janitoring takes effect?

The person who does the night kill can use their janitor (similar to opting to use strongman). The death occurs (can be blocked of course), and if successful, all evidence of the townie is erased.
Obviously, since mafia is erasing their identity, they know what it is.

So, no, they shouldn't know who the NK's role is, nor do they have the role. They only get the information, and only after they died.

Too bad I had to out my commuter, it would have been wasted on me :(

Did someone check through his role if Khaos is actually commuter? He could easily be Mafia playing commuter. I'm not sure if it is me, but the way he says it is very suspicious.

And Endarken? Was your action redirected or did you actually kill Mastery?

I thought about checking Khaos, but the only thing that would do is confirm his role. There is both a town and mafia commuter, so I figured that wouldn't accomplish much.

Full honesty - I did kill Mastery, for reasons explained earlier.
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4/18/2014 12:50:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:46:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:41:53 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:39:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:16:30 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Oh wow so that means the vig killed the doctor... dammit!

You said you'd claim this DP, so please claim.

PGO

VTL Ford.

When we thought Khaos claimed PGO last round, you would have CC'ed. You didn't. Yet you didn't believe Khaos could be dreamer, as post 39 reveals.

Read what I just posted. Khaos is tricky, so I wanted to make sure he hard claimed PGO before CC'ing him, so he couldn't wriggle out of it. Even so, I fear I may have been too obvious in pressuring him right off the bat about that quote, so it's very possible he deduced I was PGO and went with commuter instead.
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4/18/2014 12:51:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:50:23 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:46:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:41:53 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:39:29 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:16:30 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
Oh wow so that means the vig killed the doctor... dammit!

You said you'd claim this DP, so please claim.

PGO

VTL Ford.

When we thought Khaos claimed PGO last round, you would have CC'ed. You didn't. Yet you didn't believe Khaos could be dreamer, as post 39 reveals.

Read what I just posted. Khaos is tricky, so I wanted to make sure he hard claimed PGO before CC'ing him, so he couldn't wriggle out of it. Even so, I fear I may have been too obvious in pressuring him right off the bat about that quote, so it's very possible he deduced I was PGO and went with commuter instead.

So do you have a scum read on Khaos?
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4/18/2014 12:54:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:53:01 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
So do you have a scum read on Khaos?

Sort of. He's basically always on my radar.

The more I think about it...

Unvote.

Yay, did you attempt to protect anyone last night?
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4/18/2014 1:17:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
TS - "My role is an actual profession in a western society."

VTL TS for claim.

Town roles that are actual professions in the Western World are the following: Bodyguard (taken by Yay), Doctor (confirmed for Mastery) and Cop (No proof of that).

@TS, are you Cop or not? If you are Cop, who did you investigate?
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4/18/2014 1:21:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:17:55 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
TS - "My role is an actual profession in a western society."

VTL TS for claim.

Town roles that are actual professions in the Western World are the following: Bodyguard (taken by Yay), Doctor (confirmed for Mastery) and Cop (No proof of that).

@TS, are you Cop or not? If you are Cop, who did you investigate?

He could be a priest or a coroner. Since roles were chosen randomly, he's probably not coroner but that would be awesome if he was.
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4/18/2014 1:27:58 PM
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Why did he say "Western world?" Priesthood and coronary are professions from the Eastern world. I assumed it was professions the West mainly introduced such as Police cops and bodyguards and medical doctors(although Ancient doctors exist).
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4/18/2014 1:29:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:27:58 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
Why did he say "Western world?" Priesthood and coronary are professions from the Eastern world. I assumed it was professions the West mainly introduced such as Police cops and bodyguards and medical doctors(although Ancient doctors exist).

I could be wrong about this, but I interpreted that to mean professions that exist in a modern western society. That would eliminate things like Hunter and Oracle, which were professions in other ancient societies or may still exist in tribes, but not in a western nation.
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4/18/2014 1:42:10 PM
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I could be wrong about this, but I interpreted that to mean professions that exist in a modern western society. That would eliminate things like Hunter and Oracle, which were professions in other ancient societies or may still exist in tribes, but not in a western nation.

Hmm. Let's see.

Town Roles

Cop - (Western Prof.)
Dreamer - (Not)
Priest - (Western Prof)
Role Cop - (Not)
Tracker -(Not)
Watcher -(Western Prof)
Oracle - (Not)
Bodyguard - (Taken)
Bulletproof - (Not)
Doctor - (Taken)
Virgin - (Not)
Bomb - (Not)
Hunter - (Not)
Paranoid Gun Owner -(Taken)(Not)
Super Saint -(Taken)(Not)
Vigilante - (Not)
Universal Backup -(Not)
Mimic - (Not)
Roleblocker - (Not)
Innocent Child - (Not)
Vanilla -(Not)
Pacifist - (Not)
Aesthetic -(Not)
Sidekick: (Not)

He is either Cop, Priest or Watcher if he is town. Right?
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4/18/2014 2:11:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:42:10 PM, NiqashMotawadi3 wrote:
I could be wrong about this, but I interpreted that to mean professions that exist in a modern western society. That would eliminate things like Hunter and Oracle, which were professions in other ancient societies or may still exist in tribes, but not in a western nation.

Hmm. Let's see.

Town Roles

Cop - (Western Prof.)
Dreamer - (Not)
Priest - (Western Prof)
Role Cop - (Not)
Tracker -(Not)
Watcher -(Western Prof)
Oracle - (Not)
Bodyguard - (Taken)
Bulletproof - (Not)
Doctor - (Taken)
Virgin - (Not)
Bomb - (Not)
Hunter - (Not)
Paranoid Gun Owner -(Taken)(Not)
Super Saint -(Taken)(Not)
Vigilante - (Not)
Universal Backup -(Not)
Mimic - (Not)
Roleblocker - (Not)
Innocent Child - (Not)
Vanilla -(Not)
Pacifist - (Not)
Aesthetic -(Not)
Sidekick: (Not)

He is either Cop, Priest or Watcher if he is town. Right?

Where did you pull that list from? The list bsh posted DP1 included coroner.

Also, I don't think Watcher is a profession
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4/18/2014 2:12:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:47:03 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
VTL Endarkend Rationalist

Did you replace somebody? Because to the best of my knowledge, you're not in this game...
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4/18/2014 2:16:48 PM
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At 4/18/2014 2:12:14 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/18/2014 1:47:03 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
VTL Endarkend Rationalist

Did you replace somebody? Because to the best of my knowledge, you're not in this game...

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4/18/2014 3:13:36 PM
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4/18/2014 3:26:32 PM
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At 4/18/2014 3:24:12 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/18/2014 3:13:36 PM, lannan13 wrote:
VTL Ford

You don't believe his PGO claim?

No, because like I said last day phase it is a fake claim that I have seen the mafia use several times in order to avoid being investigated.

While I have you here who did you vig last night phase?
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