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Beginners' Mafia 23.3: DP1

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4/22/2014 7:14:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1. Partial-claiming - Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns - Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected.

This is the first time I have balanced a game entirely on my own--I hope it works out. This could have TPs, could have flavors, etc. If it was in a prior game, it could be in this one. Also, a complete list of possible roles can be found here: https://docs.google.com...

As always, I'll give you one hint as to the theme...Esocial my describe this game as DDOrky.
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4/22/2014 7:16:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
LIVING PLAYERS

Lannan
TS
XLAV
Endark
Mastery
Ford
Niqash
GCL
Khaos
Yay

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 7:00pm, DDO time, 4/24/14.


Good luck!
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4/22/2014 8:12:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I guess I'll full character claim:

I am Yay842.
I am an annoying troll who says stuff and does stuff and probably thinks stuff but that stuff is too hard and I have 69 reasons to stuff the stuffing out of said stuff.

Because of this, I am the YOLO.(read: roleblocker)
I go to parties and do my stuff. So, each night, I visit you weather you want me to or not, and we party to the night, whether you want to or not.
I win with the stuff.
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/22/2014 9:27:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:24:16 PM, XLAV wrote:
Hello, I'm thett3. I am easily confirmed.

If you are easily confirmed, why not state how?
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4/22/2014 9:42:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 9:27:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:24:16 PM, XLAV wrote:
Hello, I'm thett3. I am easily confirmed.

If you are easily confirmed, why not state how?

VTL me Khaos and you shall see.
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4/22/2014 9:46:26 PM
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So are we role claiming or character claiming? I'd rather get it done now and outta the way while I'm on DDO right now.
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
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4/22/2014 9:47:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 9:46:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
So are we role claiming or character claiming? I'd rather get it done now and outta the way while I'm on DDO right now.

Just your character GCL.
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4/22/2014 9:49:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Okay my character is mikal.
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
"The strongest principle of growth lies in human choices."
"The Lord doesn't promise us a perfect life that is free of problems, but he does promise that He'll get us through anything." ~SweeTea
"Good Times" ~ Max
"If Jesus isn't in heaven, then it's not heaven; instead, it's hell." ~anonymous
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4/22/2014 9:50:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 9:46:26 PM, GodChoosesLife wrote:
So are we role claiming or character claiming? I'd rather get it done now and outta the way while I'm on DDO right now.

You can do what you want.
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/22/2014 9:54:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 9:47:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Mass character claiming DP1 only makes it easier for the mafia to fake claim.

Not necessarily.
In an open theme like this, there are plenty of characters to choose from. (characters being DDO members)

So, it is entirely possible for scum to come out and fake claim early for town cred.
Keep in mind, they should know the theme (based on their characters), and may have ideas of who not to claim.

This is part of the reason why a main character (like Bilbo for Hobbit mafia) is unlikely to be scum, and unlikely to be claimed early on as scum. It is a huge risk.
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/22/2014 9:57:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:12:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I guess I'll full character claim:

I am Yay842.
I am an annoying troll who says stuff and does stuff and probably thinks stuff but that stuff is too hard and I have 69 reasons to stuff the stuffing out of said stuff.

Because of this, I am the YOLO.(read: roleblocker)
I go to parties and do my stuff. So, each night, I visit you weather you want me to or not, and we party to the night, whether you want to or not.
I win with the stuff.

Is this part of your PM or did you make some of this up?
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4/22/2014 9:59:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 9:57:19 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:12:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I guess I'll full character claim:

I am Yay842.
I am an annoying troll who says stuff and does stuff and probably thinks stuff but that stuff is too hard and I have 69 reasons to stuff the stuffing out of said stuff.

Because of this, I am the YOLO.(read: roleblocker)
I go to parties and do my stuff. So, each night, I visit you weather you want me to or not, and we party to the night, whether you want to or not.
I win with the stuff.

Is this part of your PM or did you make some of this up?

Clearly, it is a joke.
Or, at least I thought it was clear.
My work here is, finally, done.
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4/23/2014 4:53:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
VTL Godchooseslife for claim.

I'm the former prez by the way.
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4/23/2014 5:10:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 4:53:56 AM, lannan13 wrote:
VTL Godchooseslife for claim.

I'm the former prez by the way.

She already claimed.

Who was the former prez?
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4/23/2014 5:16:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Unvote
VTL YAY
for claim.
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4/23/2014 5:16:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:10:06 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 4/23/2014 4:53:56 AM, lannan13 wrote:
VTL Godchooseslife for claim.

I'm the former prez by the way.

She already claimed.

Who was the former prez?

Airmax1227
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4/23/2014 5:20:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:18:00 AM, XLAV wrote:
Why do I feel like Khaos tricked us to mass character claim?

He's claimed, but it might be to help his scum buddies find a fake claim.
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4/23/2014 5:23:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:20:04 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:18:00 AM, XLAV wrote:
Why do I feel like Khaos tricked us to mass character claim?

He's claimed, but it might be to help his scum buddies find a fake claim.

No, he said it was a joke.

So far, I town read everyone who character claimed except Khaos.
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4/23/2014 5:24:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:23:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:20:04 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:18:00 AM, XLAV wrote:
Why do I feel like Khaos tricked us to mass character claim?

He's claimed, but it might be to help his scum buddies find a fake claim.

No, he said it was a joke.

So far, I town read everyone who character claimed except Khaos.

Khaos charicter seems to be the only nonmajor ddoer claimed so far.
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4/23/2014 5:31:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:12:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I guess I'll full character claim:

I am Yay842.
I am an annoying troll who says stuff and does stuff and probably thinks stuff but that stuff is too hard and I have 69 reasons to stuff the stuffing out of said stuff.

Because of this, I am the YOLO.(read: roleblocker)
I go to parties and do my stuff. So, each night, I visit you weather you want me to or not, and we party to the night, whether you want to or not.
I win with the stuff.

Unvote
VTL Khaos

Oh this is great. I'm the roleblocker.
Lannan13 you are airmax1227, since you're the mod you don't have to permitt certain people from being on this site. Thus you're the roleblocker and you win with the town.
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4/23/2014 5:50:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:31:58 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:12:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I guess I'll full character claim:

I am Yay842.
I am an annoying troll who says stuff and does stuff and probably thinks stuff but that stuff is too hard and I have 69 reasons to stuff the stuffing out of said stuff.

Because of this, I am the YOLO.(read: roleblocker)
I go to parties and do my stuff. So, each night, I visit you weather you want me to or not, and we party to the night, whether you want to or not.
I win with the stuff.

Unvote
VTL Khaos

Oh this is great. I'm the roleblocker.
Lannan13 you are airmax1227, since you're the mod you don't have to permitt certain people from being on this site. Thus you're the roleblocker and you win with the town.

Is that paraphrased? I hope that was paraphrased...
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4/23/2014 7:08:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:50:08 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:31:58 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:12:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I guess I'll full character claim:

I am Yay842.
I am an annoying troll who says stuff and does stuff and probably thinks stuff but that stuff is too hard and I have 69 reasons to stuff the stuffing out of said stuff.

Because of this, I am the YOLO.(read: roleblocker)
I go to parties and do my stuff. So, each night, I visit you weather you want me to or not, and we party to the night, whether you want to or not.
I win with the stuff.

Unvote
VTL Khaos

Oh this is great. I'm the roleblocker.
Lannan13 you are airmax1227, since you're the mod you don't have to permitt certain people from being on this site. Thus you're the roleblocker and you win with the town.

Is that paraphrased? I hope that was paraphrased...

It is.
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4/23/2014 7:09:04 AM
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At 4/23/2014 5:51:06 AM, XLAV wrote:
Does Bsh have any enemies on this site?

You can think of some huge anti-gay Conservatives on this site.
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4/23/2014 7:25:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:18:00 AM, XLAV wrote:
Why do I feel like Khaos tricked us to mass character claim?

Because you have no sense of humor, apparently...
Why would I have full claimed in the first post of the game?

Did you read it?
How is that not seen as a joke?
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4/23/2014 7:30:19 AM
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At 4/23/2014 5:24:47 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:23:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:20:04 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:18:00 AM, XLAV wrote:
Why do I feel like Khaos tricked us to mass character claim?

He's claimed, but it might be to help his scum buddies find a fake claim.

No, he said it was a joke.

So far, I town read everyone who character claimed except Khaos.

Khaos charicter seems to be the only nonmajor ddoer claimed so far.

The DP is not long, there is no reason for you to not be aware that:
1) My character claim was a joke
2) I explicitly said it was

Why you no read the DP?
That is unacceptable.
My work here is, finally, done.