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5/5/2014 9:15:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1. Partial-claiming - Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns - Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected.

This is the first time I have balanced a game entirely on my own--I hope it works out. This could have TPs, could have flavors, etc. If it was in a prior game, it could be in this one. Also, a complete list of possible roles can be found here: https://docs.google.com...

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Bsh1: Hey Solon? Have you been a bit bored lately?
Solon: Yeah...all these silly noobs are driving me nuts.
Bsh1: I know. We should through a party!
Solon: Great idea! We need to think of a guest list...
Bsh1: ...grab some food and some movies...
Solon: ...and make sure we have some decent party games.
Bsh1: Sounds like a plan!
Live Long and Prosper

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5/5/2014 9:17:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
GUEST LIST

rross
Lannan
Endark
Jif
XLAV
Wylted
Niqash
Pots
Khaos
Angel
Josh

With 11 partiers still at the party, it takes 6 votes to kick someone out.
The fiesta ends at 10:00pm, DDO time, on 5/7/14.


Have fun :)
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5/5/2014 9:19:44 PM
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Ive got no damn clue what the theme, so if someone could fill me in, that'd be great.

And since i am no one special, im gonna bare it all right here and right now.

I am ascetic, my character is candyland, and unfortunately there is no wincon.

Am I townread yet?!

Lets get this show on the road!
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5/5/2014 9:24:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:19:44 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Ive got no damn clue what the theme, so if someone could fill me in, that'd be great.

And since i am no one special, im gonna bare it all right here and right now.

I am ascetic, my character is candyland, and unfortunately there is no wincon.

Am I townread yet?!

Lets get this show on the road!

Poor, poor Pots :(
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/5/2014 9:25:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
ATTENTION

Oro will be replacing Jif. Effective in 1 hour.
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5/5/2014 9:26:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:24:17 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:19:44 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Ive got no damn clue what the theme, so if someone could fill me in, that'd be great.

And since i am no one special, im gonna bare it all right here and right now.

I am ascetic, my character is candyland, and unfortunately there is no wincon.

Am I townread yet?!

Lets get this show on the road!

Poor, poor Pots :(

VTL khaos for character claim
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5/5/2014 9:27:31 PM
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At 5/5/2014 9:25:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Dafuq?

I massively disagree that my character fits the theme.

What is the theme? I dont even know it.
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5/5/2014 9:29:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:26:02 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:24:17 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:19:44 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Ive got no damn clue what the theme, so if someone could fill me in, that'd be great.

And since i am no one special, im gonna bare it all right here and right now.

I am ascetic, my character is candyland, and unfortunately there is no wincon.

Am I townread yet?!

Lets get this show on the road!

Poor, poor Pots :(

VTL khaos for character claim

HAHAHA!!!!
You are funny kid.

So, let me get this straight...
You don't know the theme, yet you want my character, because my character will somehow give you insight into my affiliation...

More like insight into the theme, as I have no idea what mafia is.
Well, okay, I do have some ideas...
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:29:00 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:26:02 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:24:17 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:19:44 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Ive got no damn clue what the theme, so if someone could fill me in, that'd be great.

And since i am no one special, im gonna bare it all right here and right now.

I am ascetic, my character is candyland, and unfortunately there is no wincon.

Am I townread yet?!

Lets get this show on the road!

Poor, poor Pots :(

VTL khaos for character claim

HAHAHA!!!!
You are funny kid.

So, let me get this straight...
You don't know the theme, yet you want my character, because my character will somehow give you insight into my affiliation...

More like insight into the theme, as I have no idea what mafia is.
Well, okay, I do have some ideas...

The vote stands. I want you character. Once i figure out what the theme is and then research it, i will have insight as to your affiliation. Problem?
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5/5/2014 9:35:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
VOTE COUNT:

Khaos (1/6) - Pots

"We're gonna party 'til we're purple!"
"YAY I LOVE BEING PURPLE!"
SO to Bailey, the love of my life <3
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5/5/2014 9:41:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:35:42 PM, SolonKR wrote:
VOTE COUNT:

Khaos (1/6) - Pots

"We're gonna party 'til we're purple!"
"YAY I LOVE BEING PURPLE!"

Apparently this is a quote from spongebob squarepants. I hate Spongebob Squarepants. Is that our theme?
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5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/5/2014 9:44:08 PM
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At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?
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5/5/2014 9:44:20 PM
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At 5/5/2014 9:30:54 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think I know what the theme is.

I should hope so....
What do you make of Pots?
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/5/2014 9:44:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Khaos, I love you.
Live Long and Prosper

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5/5/2014 9:44:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:44:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:30:54 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think I know what the theme is.

I should hope so....
What do you make of Pots?

I think he's town, though if the theme is what I think it is, I don't see how his role works with it.
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5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?
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5/5/2014 9:47:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

Pots.
We're at a party.
What is Candyland?
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5/5/2014 9:47:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:44:54 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:44:20 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:30:54 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I think I know what the theme is.

I should hope so....
What do you make of Pots?

I think he's town, though if the theme is what I think it is, I don't see how his role works with it.

I can see it.
But, I don't like his behavior.

He is easily proven true, but role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation.
Ascetic is a negative utility for town, and a powerful one for mafia.

Regardless, I don't think there is any reason to lynch him today.
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/5/2014 9:48:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

It could be. I have Nickolodeon Scene-it.
It's games and/or party games.
My work here is, finally, done.
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5/5/2014 9:49:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:27:31 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:25:31 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Dafuq?

I massively disagree that my character fits the theme.

What is the theme? I dont even know it.

Isn't it parties? Or am I missing something?
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5/5/2014 9:49:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:47:11 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

Pots.
We're at a party.
What is Candyland?

I've never been to a party in my life. Im an uber nerd who started college at 14. i missed out on a lot of sh!t. Fill me in.
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5/5/2014 9:50:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:49:52 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:47:11 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

Pots.
We're at a party.
What is Candyland?

I've never been to a party in my life. Im an uber nerd who started college at 14. i missed out on a lot of sh!t. Fill me in.

The theme is either games or party games.
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5/5/2014 9:51:29 PM
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At 5/5/2014 9:50:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:49:52 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:47:11 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

Pots.
We're at a party.
What is Candyland?

I've never been to a party in my life. Im an uber nerd who started college at 14. i missed out on a lot of sh!t. Fill me in.

The theme is either games or party games.

Then im screwed.
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5/5/2014 9:52:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:51:29 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:50:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:49:52 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:47:11 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

Pots.
We're at a party.
What is Candyland?

I've never been to a party in my life. Im an uber nerd who started college at 14. i missed out on a lot of sh!t. Fill me in.

The theme is either games or party games.

Then im screwed.

Why's that?
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5/5/2014 9:54:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:52:00 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:51:29 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:50:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:49:52 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:47:11 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

Pots.
We're at a party.
What is Candyland?

I've never been to a party in my life. Im an uber nerd who started college at 14. i missed out on a lot of sh!t. Fill me in.

The theme is either games or party games.

Then im screwed.

Why's that?

I dont know sh!t about party games. Like i said, I have never beeen to a party in my life. How am i supposed to scumhunt without even knowing the theme?
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5/5/2014 9:56:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 9:51:29 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:50:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:49:52 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:47:11 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:46:04 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:43:32 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/5/2014 9:33:53 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Are you saying you don't know the theme, and did not research your character?
Did you drop your laptop in the Molasses swamp?

Yes i did, actually. My laptop is worth a heap of sh!t.

I am saying that if o google candyland, WTF is going to come up? A sh!t ton of candy! I need more to go on. Is our theme spongebob or not?

Pots.
We're at a party.
What is Candyland?

I've never been to a party in my life. Im an uber nerd who started college at 14. i missed out on a lot of sh!t. Fill me in.

The theme is either games or party games.

Then im screwed.

You never played games, let alone be exposed to them as a child or adult?
I had a crappy childhood (don't care to go into detail), and even I played games.

Also, the ones who are screwed are rross and XLAV.

.

..
....
........
In fact, VTL rross for character.
My work here is, finally, done.