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Beginners' Mafia 25.1: ENDGAME

bsh1
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5/22/2014 12:49:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Town wins!

TOWN

Envi - You are VANILLA. You have no role. You win with the town.

Wylted - You are the BOMB. If NK'd, you kill your killer. You win with the town.

XLAV - You are the TRACKER. Each night you may select a player. You will learn who, if anyone, they visit. You win with the town.

Lannan - You are the DOCTOR. Each night you may select a player. They will be shielded from lethal actions. You win with the town.

Angel - You are the VIRGIN. If lynched, you prevent all NK during the subsequent NP. You win with the town.

Endark - You are the HUNTER. If lynched, you may select another player to die as well as you. You win with the town.

Oro - You are the PGO. You NK anyone who visits you at night. You win with the town.

MAFIA

Cin - You are the REDIRECTOR. Each night you may select a player and redirect their actions to another player of your choice.

Romanii - You are the REDIRECTOR. Each night you may select a player and redirect their actions to another player of your choice.

[Originally: MIMIC]

Niqash - You are the LOOKOUT. Each night you may select a player. You will learn who visits that player.

NIGHT ACTIONS

NP1

Lannan - Doc. XLAV
XLAV - Trk. Cin
Niqash - Lkt. Endark
Romanii - Mimic Cin

NP2

Lannan - Doc. Angel
XLAV - Trk. Endark
Romanii - Rdct. XLAV to Endark
Cin - Rdct. Lannan to Endark
Romanii - NK Wylted

NP3

Lannan - Doc. Angel
XLAV - Trk. Oro
Niqash - NK Lannan

NP4


None

Side-note: There should've been no debate about anything course of actions besides lynching Angel during DP4. Also, mad props to Angel for being the only person to correctly guess that mafia forfeited their NK NP1.
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5/22/2014 12:50:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Congrats to Endark on making the right choice!
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5/22/2014 12:56:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 12:55:04 AM, XLAV wrote:
Lol, I hate you Endark for using me...

Sorry, XLAV, but I had to. You were being really aggressive. And it didn't help that you defended Cin so hard.

But what happens in mafia stays in mafia. :-)

BTW, every time I read your #lynchendark2014, I burst out laughing. So there's that.
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5/22/2014 12:58:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 12:56:57 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 12:55:04 AM, XLAV wrote:
Lol, I hate you Endark for using me...

Sorry, XLAV, but I had to. You were being really aggressive. And it didn't help that you defended Cin so hard.

But what happens in mafia stays in mafia. :-)

BTW, every time I read your #lynchendark2014, I burst out laughing. So there's that.
Did you really thing I was mafia?
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5/22/2014 12:58:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 12:58:05 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 5/22/2014 12:56:57 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 12:55:04 AM, XLAV wrote:
Lol, I hate you Endark for using me...

Sorry, XLAV, but I had to. You were being really aggressive. And it didn't help that you defended Cin so hard.

But what happens in mafia stays in mafia. :-)

BTW, every time I read your #lynchendark2014, I burst out laughing. So there's that.
Did you really thing I was mafia?

Not after you said you were tracker. I did before that.
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5/22/2014 1:00:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Wylted, why didn't you crackdown on me when you thought I was bomb? Your play was ingenious, as the mafia never suspected, but what made you not try to CC me?
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5/22/2014 1:02:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 12:59:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 12:58:54 AM, XLAV wrote:
Why did mafia forfeited their NK on NP1?

My guess is so that we would blame the inactives.
Gawd, this game made me change my mafia philosophy.
My current philosophy:
VTNL is better than lynching an inactive.

My new philosophy:
Lynching an inactive is better than VTNL.
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5/22/2014 1:05:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:02:13 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 5/22/2014 12:59:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 12:58:54 AM, XLAV wrote:
Why did mafia forfeited their NK on NP1?

My guess is so that we would blame the inactives.
Gawd, this game made me change my mafia philosophy.
My current philosophy:
VTNL is better than lynching an inactive.

My new philosophy:
Lynching an inactive is better than VTNL.

Yeah...Envi really hurt us this game. If he had CC'd, that would have helped. If inactives are hurting the town, as they almost always do, I think it's better to cut away the dead weight.
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5/22/2014 1:09:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Hey guys! Feedback on the advisor thing would be appreciated.
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5/22/2014 1:12:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:09:04 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
Hey guys! Feedback on the advisor thing would be appreciated.

I thought you wanted to say something?

But I think you did well. You didn't outright direct our actions, but you did provide potential strategies and warned about bickering.
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5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM
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jeesh, I missed the final decision. I guess my screen locked cause I never saw notifications.

Good decision-making Endark. I'm not sure I would have made the right choice in your place. I got pretty paranoid in DP4.
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5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM
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At 5/22/2014 1:00:29 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Wylted, why didn't you crackdown on me when you thought I was bomb? Your play was ingenious, as the mafia never suspected, but what made you not try to CC me?

I didn't want to CC you unless I knew for a fact you were mafia. I also thought with them thinking I'm dreamer and you fake claiming bomb, killing me would seem safer, and if anyone other than you killed me, it would out you as mafia and I'd get 2 kills for the price of one.
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5/22/2014 1:20:54 AM
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Side-note: There should've been no debate about anything course of actions besides lynching Angel during DP4. Also, mad props to Angel for being the only person to correctly guess that mafia forfeited their NK NP1.

Easy for overlords to say! Just when I was confident PBGeek chimed in with "do the math" and I convinced myself that I was missing something obvious.
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5/22/2014 1:22:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM, Oromagi wrote:
jeesh, I missed the final decision. I guess my screen locked cause I never saw notifications.

Good decision-making Endark. I'm not sure I would have made the right choice in your place. I got pretty paranoid in DP4.

Thank you! It was actually Niqash who convinced me. In DP3, he said he'd guarded XLAV NP2. But when I asked him why he didn't protect Lannan NP2, he said it was because he guarded Angel.
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5/22/2014 1:22:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:20:54 AM, Oromagi wrote:
Side-note: There should've been no debate about anything course of actions besides lynching Angel during DP4. Also, mad props to Angel for being the only person to correctly guess that mafia forfeited their NK NP1.

Easy for overlords to say! Just when I was confident PBGeek chimed in with "do the math" and I convinced myself that I was missing something obvious.

Pots is right though...you all need to discuss math more...but, Angel was the smartest choice that DP, as I'm sure Khaos will point out if/when he chimes in.
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5/22/2014 1:23:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:22:22 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:20:54 AM, Oromagi wrote:
Side-note: There should've been no debate about anything course of actions besides lynching Angel during DP4. Also, mad props to Angel for being the only person to correctly guess that mafia forfeited their NK NP1.

Easy for overlords to say! Just when I was confident PBGeek chimed in with "do the math" and I convinced myself that I was missing something obvious.

Pots is right though...you all need to discuss math more...but, Angel was the smartest choice that DP, as I'm sure Khaos will point out if/when he chimes in.

From my perspective, either plan would have worked. But from the town's, yes, I pointed out the Angel one.
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5/22/2014 1:25:53 AM
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At 5/22/2014 1:22:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM, Oromagi wrote:
jeesh, I missed the final decision. I guess my screen locked cause I never saw notifications.

Good decision-making Endark. I'm not sure I would have made the right choice in your place. I got pretty paranoid in DP4.

Thank you! It was actually Niqash who convinced me. In DP3, he said he'd guarded XLAV NP2. But when I asked him why he didn't protect Lannan NP2, he said it was because he guarded Angel.
Really? Not me? Didn't my death confirmed Oro as PGO?
If Oro wasn't PGO then I would have survived and lead a lynch on him for lying.
If Oro was PGO then I would have died and the 2 deaths on NP3 should have confirmed him.
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5/22/2014 1:29:02 AM
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At 5/22/2014 1:25:53 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:22:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM, Oromagi wrote:
jeesh, I missed the final decision. I guess my screen locked cause I never saw notifications.

Good decision-making Endark. I'm not sure I would have made the right choice in your place. I got pretty paranoid in DP4.

Thank you! It was actually Niqash who convinced me. In DP3, he said he'd guarded XLAV NP2. But when I asked him why he didn't protect Lannan NP2, he said it was because he guarded Angel.
Really? Not me? Didn't my death confirmed Oro as PGO?
If Oro wasn't PGO then I would have survived and lead a lynch on him for lying.
If Oro was PGO then I would have died and the 2 deaths on NP3 should have confirmed him.

Let's say it was Niqash who made it certain. Remember, I pointed out that I thought your death had to be because of visiting the PGO. With you dead, I was mostly sure it was Niqash but not entirely.
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5/22/2014 1:30:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:00:29 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Wylted, why didn't you crackdown on me when you thought I was bomb? Your play was ingenious, as the mafia never suspected, but what made you not try to CC me?

I didn't want to CC you unless I knew for a fact you were mafia. I also thought with them thinking I'm dreamer and you fake claiming bomb, killing me would seem safer, and if anyone other than you killed me, it would out you as mafia and I'd get 2 kills for the price of one.

Well, I'm glad you stuck out on that one. Otherwise we'd have been in a really bad position. You must have known I was hunter even before then.
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5/22/2014 1:33:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:30:26 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:09:48 AM, XLAV wrote:
I guess Khaos provided the fake claims.
Fix'd.

Did Khaos provide the fake claims?

If he didn't, I'll never play mafia again.

Well, that's not true. I'll just be really surprised.
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5/22/2014 1:38:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:29:02 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:25:53 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:22:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM, Oromagi wrote:
jeesh, I missed the final decision. I guess my screen locked cause I never saw notifications.

Good decision-making Endark. I'm not sure I would have made the right choice in your place. I got pretty paranoid in DP4.

Thank you! It was actually Niqash who convinced me. In DP3, he said he'd guarded XLAV NP2. But when I asked him why he didn't protect Lannan NP2, he said it was because he guarded Angel.
Really? Not me? Didn't my death confirmed Oro as PGO?
If Oro wasn't PGO then I would have survived and lead a lynch on him for lying.
If Oro was PGO then I would have died and the 2 deaths on NP3 should have confirmed him.

Let's say it was Niqash who made it certain. Remember, I pointed out that I thought your death had to be because of visiting the PGO. With you dead, I was mostly sure it was Niqash but not entirely.

I figured you were town after I finally decided to tracked you on NP2. So the people left in the scum pile were Niqash and Oro. I could have tracked Niqash on NP3 since I was more suspicious of him but you and Angel thought I was scum so I guessed I wouldn't be succesful on leading a lynch on him. I decided to confirm Oro by visiting him and die to save town from a possible mislynch.
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5/22/2014 6:54:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/22/2014 1:22:05 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 5/22/2014 1:18:56 AM, Oromagi wrote:
jeesh, I missed the final decision. I guess my screen locked cause I never saw notifications.

Good decision-making Endark. I'm not sure I would have made the right choice in your place. I got pretty paranoid in DP4.

Thank you! It was actually Niqash who convinced me. In DP3, he said he'd guarded XLAV NP2. But when I asked him why he didn't protect Lannan NP2, he said it was because he guarded Angel.

That's actually false. I said I protected XLAV in Np2. You asked me in DP4 why I didn't protect Lannan, which is why I said I protected Angel in NP3.