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Beginners' Mafia 26.1: DP2

bsh1
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6/11/2014 11:15:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
LYNCHED LAST DP

Chosen - You are the ROLE COP. Each night you may select a player. You will learn their role but not their affiliation. You win with the town.

LIVING PLAYERS

Number
Esocial
Angel
SJ
KC
Wylted
Raymond
Chosen
Blade
Bossy

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 11:00pm, DDO time, on 6/14/14.


Good luck!
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6/11/2014 11:18:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:17:17 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
Who died during the night?

No one.
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6/11/2014 11:19:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:18:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:17:17 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
Who died during the night?

No one.

Why?
I'm so fancy, you already know.
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6/11/2014 11:19:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:18:12 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
So we screwed up...

Unless you're Mafia, then we didn't! O.o
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6/11/2014 11:20:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:18:12 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
So we screwed up...

This is a teachable moment.

Always, read your role PM very carefully.
Nothing looks more suspicious than correcting yourself of a very simple oversight.
My work here is, finally, done.
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6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?
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6/11/2014 11:22:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:19:22 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:18:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:17:17 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
Who died during the night?

No one.

Why?

Don't know.
That's for you to figure it out.

Obviously, either mafia didn't NK anyone (unlikely), or they tried to kill someone who was protected.
In the latter case, it could be assumed (not assured, but assumed) that if a doctor exists, their target is town.
If there is a bulletproof townie, it is a less assured assumption.
My work here is, finally, done.
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6/11/2014 11:23:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:20:37 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:18:12 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
So we screwed up...

This is a teachable moment.

Always, read your role PM very carefully.
Nothing looks more suspicious than correcting yourself of a very simple oversight.

Yeah, thanks Chosenwolff...
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6/11/2014 11:25:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?

At the end of the NP, when I send out results, I inform mafia of the success, or lack thereof, of any actions they took, including NKs.
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6/11/2014 11:25:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:22:47 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:19:22 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:18:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:17:17 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
Who died during the night?

No one.

Why?

Don't know.
That's for you to figure it out.

Obviously, either mafia didn't NK anyone (unlikely), or they tried to kill someone who was protected.
In the latter case, it could be assumed (not assured, but assumed) that if a doctor exists, their target is town.
If there is a bulletproof townie, it is a less assured assumption.

Before anyone misinterprets this: IF YOU ARE A DOCTOR, DO NOT CLAIM NOW.
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
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To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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6/11/2014 11:26:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:19:22 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:18:57 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:17:17 PM, SPENCERJOYAGE14 wrote:
Who died during the night?

No one.

Why?

Thet's for me to know, and you to find out ;)
Live Long and Prosper

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Raymond_Reddington
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6/11/2014 11:27:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:25:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?

At the end of the NP, when I send out results, I inform mafia of the success, or lack thereof, of any actions they took, including NKs.

Because of this I am now relatively certain that Spencer is town.
bossyburrito
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6/11/2014 11:29:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It might be useful to have any bulletproofs claim, though - just to get a better idea about the possibilities of what happened last night.
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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6/11/2014 11:30:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I agree with burrito; khaos says we should find out but we should NOT find out how it failed if it was doc blocked. Just keep up the good work if you exist, doc.

Did anyone have investigations that possibly turned anything up? I realize we (regrettably) lynched our role cop, although I honestly don't know what alternative we had the way he was playing. But if anyone found a scum then it would be worth revealing I think. If we could get 1 scum this turn, even if they get an nk, we are looking at a 6-2 match up going into the next day, which is good for town.
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6/11/2014 11:31:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:27:01 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:25:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?

At the end of the NP, when I send out results, I inform mafia of the success, or lack thereof, of any actions they took, including NKs.

Because of this I am now relatively certain that Spencer is town.

Wow, that was actually a really clever thing to ask - props for that. You're right - this makes it seem like it's much more likely that she's town than mafia.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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6/11/2014 11:32:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:27:01 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:25:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?

At the end of the NP, when I send out results, I inform mafia of the success, or lack thereof, of any actions they took, including NKs.

Because of this I am now relatively certain that Spencer is town.

Any reason for this? I don't remember from last DP but I don't really remember him saying anything particular about chosen.
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6/11/2014 11:32:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think it's logical to believe that all 3 mafias voted for wolf. It is also probable that it was one of them that placed the first vote to move the pressure on him from mere suspicion to a possible lynching.
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6/11/2014 11:34:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Now that an night phase has passed, people may have things to report.
It is up to you if and when you report what you wish.

Generally, you would only report something if it helps town.
For example, a watcher sees only Player X visit Player Y. Player Y dies in the night. Player X obviously killed him, so that is a good thing to out.
However, if no one visited Player Y, then there is no reason to out it. (unless someone says they did visit Player Y, since they'd be lying....or were they redirected?)

Cops only out themselves if they have a guilty on someone this early on.

There are many roles, and some are useful in scum hunting, and some are not.
Remember, the heart of the game is to analyze behavior.

Notice how Redding did just this in post 15.
I do not know if he is right, but he clearly analyzed behavior there.
Do you see why he think what he thinks about Spencer? Do you agree?
My work here is, finally, done.
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6/11/2014 11:36:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:30:52 PM, numberwang wrote:
But if anyone found a scum then it would be worth revealing I think. If we could get 1 scum this turn, even if they get an nk, we are looking at a 5-2 match up going into the next day, which is good for town.

Fixed
(assuming three mafia at game start)
My work here is, finally, done.
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6/11/2014 11:36:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:32:17 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
I think it's logical to believe that all 3 mafias voted for wolf. It is also probable that it was one of them that placed the first vote to move the pressure on him from mere suspicion to a possible lynching.

It's obvious that the mafia would be on a wagon to lynch a townie - that much is obvious. That doesn't mean, though, that the lynch wasn't justified - like I said last day-phase, leaving Wolf alive would have done more harm than good for town, given the information we had.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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6/11/2014 11:37:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:32:16 PM, numberwang wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:27:01 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:25:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?

At the end of the NP, when I send out results, I inform mafia of the success, or lack thereof, of any actions they took, including NKs.

Because of this I am now relatively certain that Spencer is town.

Any reason for this? I don't remember from last DP but I don't really remember him saying anything particular about chosen.
1. He immediately asked if there was a night killing indicating he did not have the knowledge. Bsh1 clarified that the scum already know if their attempted lynching succeeded or failed. It would be a pretty brilliant and unlikely scenario for a scum to come up with that plan.
2. He did not vote for Wolf. I believe it is likely that all scum voted for Wolf and one of them probably started the voting.

That's my train of thought.
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6/11/2014 11:39:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:32:17 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
I think it's logical to believe that all 3 mafias voted for wolf. It is also probable that it was one of them that placed the first vote to move the pressure on him from mere suspicion to a possible lynching.

Possibly, we should cross analyze votes with town behavior. I know for a fact I am town and I voted for him, you have to admit that he was acting pretty scummy for an innocent. It was hard to believe anything he was saying, though I do wish we had. I can't imagine DP1 going any differently with his scum behavior though. We should look for possible investigative successes, that will be a more sure fire indicator of mafia, because this could have a been a pretty genuine mislynch.
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6/11/2014 11:40:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:37:09 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:32:16 PM, numberwang wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:27:01 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:25:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?

At the end of the NP, when I send out results, I inform mafia of the success, or lack thereof, of any actions they took, including NKs.

Because of this I am now relatively certain that Spencer is town.

Any reason for this? I don't remember from last DP but I don't really remember him saying anything particular about chosen.
1. He immediately asked if there was a night killing indicating he did not have the knowledge. Bsh1 clarified that the scum already know if their attempted lynching succeeded or failed. It would be a pretty brilliant and unlikely scenario for a scum to come up with that plan.
2. He did not vote for Wolf. I believe it is likely that all scum voted for Wolf and one of them probably started the voting.

That's my train of thought.

I agree with you. Spencer is a girl though.
I'm so fancy, you already know.
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6/11/2014 11:40:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:39:02 PM, numberwang wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:32:17 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
I think it's logical to believe that all 3 mafias voted for wolf. It is also probable that it was one of them that placed the first vote to move the pressure on him from mere suspicion to a possible lynching.

Possibly, we should cross analyze votes with town behavior. I know for a fact I am town and I voted for him, you have to admit that he was acting pretty scummy for an innocent. It was hard to believe anything he was saying, though I do wish we had. I can't imagine DP1 going any differently with his scum behavior though. We should look for possible investigative successes, that will be a more sure fire indicator of mafia, because this could have a been a pretty genuine mislynch.

It was an easy mistake to make an can easily be attributed to Wolf's mistakes. It was still a mistake though.
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6/11/2014 11:41:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Also, whatever happened last night is a windfall for town.
Assuming three mafia, it was 7:3, with the mislynch, is was 6:3, and with an NK, 5:3. That would be MYLO. One wrong lynch and it is game over.

However, it is now 6:3, which means a mislynch and NK puts you at 4:3, and DP3 it is LYLO.
Town has just received a free mislynch, good only for this DP.

I highly recommend lynching today.
My work here is, finally, done.
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6/11/2014 11:41:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 11:37:09 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:32:16 PM, numberwang wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:27:01 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:25:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 6/11/2014 11:20:45 PM, Raymond_Reddington wrote:
Quick question for bsh1. Are the mafia immediately alerted during the night as to whether or not there kill was a success or do they have to wait until the DP?

At the end of the NP, when I send out results, I inform mafia of the success, or lack thereof, of any actions they took, including NKs.

Because of this I am now relatively certain that Spencer is town.

Any reason for this? I don't remember from last DP but I don't really remember him saying anything particular about chosen.
1. He immediately asked if there was a night killing indicating he did not have the knowledge. Bsh1 clarified that the scum already know if their attempted lynching succeeded or failed. It would be a pretty brilliant and unlikely scenario for a scum to come up with that plan.

Realized that after I had asked, I was just confused because he wasn't quoted. She could just be making it up though, it wouldn't be terribly difficult. But I agree she seems like a noobie townie to me too.

2. He did not vote for Wolf. I believe it is likely that all scum voted for Wolf and one of them probably started the voting.

Possibly a fair assumption.

That's my train of thought.

I think we really need to hear from SJ (bsh1, is he even playing?) and couple of other people who didn't do much DP1. Inactivity is bad for town, not having a single post a whole day is bad for town.