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Mafia Question: Two team win?

ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 10:13:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
What happens if there is one mafia and one town player left? I was going to give town a default win, but that seemed extremely cheap to scum. I decided to ressurect the former town members so they could decide which player was lying. Is that a good way to approach this extremely rare occurrence? Should I have let both teams win?
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How about NO elections?

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7/24/2014 10:40:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:13:37 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
What happens if there is one mafia and one town player left? I was going to give town a default win, but that seemed extremely cheap to scum. I decided to ressurect the former town members so they could decide which player was lying. Is that a good way to approach this extremely rare occurrence? Should I have let both teams win?
http://www.debate.org...

Mafia wins.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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7/24/2014 10:40:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:40:05 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Mafia wins.
But mafia doesn't have a majority.
How about NO elections?

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Hatstand
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7/24/2014 10:41:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:40:28 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:40:05 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Mafia wins.
But mafia doesn't have a majority.

Dp ends in a nl because the town doesn't have a majority. Then the mafia kills the last townie.
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7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:40:28 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:40:05 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Mafia wins.
But mafia doesn't have a majority.

1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 10:45:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:41:20 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:40:28 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:40:05 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Mafia wins.
But mafia doesn't have a majority.

Dp ends in a nl because the town doesn't have a majority. Then the mafia kills the last townie.
See, that's the problem. I don't have a vig in my game.
How about NO elections?

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ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though
How about NO elections?

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ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 10:45:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:41:20 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Dp ends in a nl because the town doesn't have a majority. Then the mafia kills the last townie.
A vig would of OP mafia.
How about NO elections?

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ESocialBookworm
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7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 10:47:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
MAFIA............ doesn't have a NK :(
How about NO elections?

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ESocialBookworm
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7/24/2014 10:47:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:47:07 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
MAFIA............ doesn't have a NK :(
How?
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
EndarkenedRationalist
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7/24/2014 10:48:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
In mafia, the mafia automatically win when they have a number equal to the town because it takes a majority to lynch, and mafia will not vote to lynch each other.

There may be exceptions to this if there are vigs or other killing roles, but other than that, it's an auto-win for mafia.
Hatstand
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7/24/2014 10:48:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:45:53 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:20 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Dp ends in a nl because the town doesn't have a majority. Then the mafia kills the last townie.
A vig would of OP mafia.

Huh? You mean that the mafia doesn't have a NK? Or that the last townie is a vig?
ESocialBookworm
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7/24/2014 10:49:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:47:07 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
MAFIA............ doesn't have a NK :(

Then all 3 survive & during the DP, they decide who to lynch. If they lynch the townie, mafia wins. If they lynch the mafia, town wins.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
Hatstand
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7/24/2014 10:50:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:47:07 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
MAFIA............ doesn't have a NK :(

Then I would call it a tie, if there is nothing that can kill either faction. But that's up to you.
ESocialBookworm
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7/24/2014 10:50:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:48:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
In mafia, the mafia automatically win when they have a number equal to the town because it takes a majority to lynch, and mafia will not vote to lynch each other.
Unless Chosen is their scumbuddy, (which he isn't.)

There may be exceptions to this if there are vigs or other killing roles, but other than that, it's an auto-win for mafia.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 10:50:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:48:59 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Huh? You mean that the mafia doesn't have a NK? Or that the last townie is a vig?
I can't answer the latter, but a vig would of overpowered scum. This was the second time I attempted this format.

1 lynch DP1
1 lynch DP2
ect.
ect.
Then once there is a 3 person gap have a 2 lynch that phase. It was working well for the most part until this happened.
How about NO elections?

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ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 10:51:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:49:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:47:07 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
MAFIA............ doesn't have a NK :(

Then all 3 survive & during the DP, they decide who to lynch. If they lynch the townie, mafia wins. If they lynch the mafia, town wins.
Except that there was a TP, townie, and a mafia member XD
How about NO elections?

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7/24/2014 10:53:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:50:01 PM, Hatstand wrote:
I'm going with the current format. Both of them are trying to prove their innocence in front of the dead town members. It will be amusing.
How about NO elections?

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7/24/2014 10:53:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:51:24 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:49:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:47:07 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
MAFIA............ doesn't have a NK :(

Then all 3 survive & during the DP, they decide who to lynch. If they lynch the townie, mafia wins. If they lynch the mafia, town wins.
Except that there was a TP, townie, and a mafia member XD

Mafia wins. See my love's post here.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
Hatstand
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7/24/2014 10:54:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:50:36 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:48:59 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Huh? You mean that the mafia doesn't have a NK? Or that the last townie is a vig?
I can't answer the latter, but a vig would of overpowered scum. This was the second time I attempted this format.

Really, I'd consider a scum team without the ability to kill a cult, not a mafia. How is having the standard NK OP?

1 lynch DP1
1 lynch DP2
ect.
ect.
Then once there is a 3 person gap have a 2 lynch that phase. It was working well for the most part until this happened.
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7/24/2014 10:56:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:54:29 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:50:36 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:48:59 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Huh? You mean that the mafia doesn't have a NK? Or that the last townie is a vig?
I can't answer the latter, but a vig would of overpowered scum. This was the second time I attempted this format.

Really, I'd consider a scum team without the ability to kill a cult, not a mafia. How is having the standard NK OP?
Town was noob, had multi shot abillities, scum comprised good players, and the theme was slanted to imply townies were scum.
How about NO elections?

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7/24/2014 11:00:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:56:22 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:54:29 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:50:36 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:48:59 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Huh? You mean that the mafia doesn't have a NK? Or that the last townie is a vig?
I can't answer the latter, but a vig would of overpowered scum. This was the second time I attempted this format.

Really, I'd consider a scum team without the ability to kill a cult, not a mafia. How is having the standard NK OP?
Town was noob, had multi shot abillities, scum comprised good players, and the theme was slanted to imply townies were scum.

Did you just compromise the last scum? Lets hope no one reads this thread. Of course, nothing could be taken as certain, so hopefully no harm done.
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7/24/2014 11:01:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:56:22 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:54:29 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:50:36 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:48:59 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Huh? You mean that the mafia doesn't have a NK? Or that the last townie is a vig?
I can't answer the latter, but a vig would of overpowered scum. This was the second time I attempted this format.

Really, I'd consider a scum team without the ability to kill a cult, not a mafia. How is having the standard NK OP?
Town was noob, had multi shot abillities, scum comprised good players, and the theme was slanted to imply townies were scum.

... Yama is always watching.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
ChosenWolff
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7/24/2014 11:02:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 11:00:52 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:56:22 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:54:29 PM, Hatstand wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:50:36 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:48:59 PM, Hatstand wrote:
Huh? You mean that the mafia doesn't have a NK? Or that the last townie is a vig?
I can't answer the latter, but a vig would of overpowered scum. This was the second time I attempted this format.

Really, I'd consider a scum team without the ability to kill a cult, not a mafia. How is having the standard NK OP?
Town was noob, had multi shot abillities, scum comprised good players, and the theme was slanted to imply townies were scum.

Did you just compromise the last scum? Lets hope no one reads this thread. Of course, nothing could be taken as certain, so hopefully no harm done.
No, the majority of town are noobs. The last two players are both expierienced and good.
How about NO elections?

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7/25/2014 1:26:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:13:37 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
What happens if there is one mafia and one town player left? I was going to give town a default win, but that seemed extremely cheap to scum. I decided to ressurect the former town members so they could decide which player was lying. Is that a good way to approach this extremely rare occurrence? Should I have let both teams win?
http://www.debate.org...

standard rules determine that mafia wins, according to epic mafia, and Mafiascum. Though on DDO it really is up to mod discretion.
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7/25/2014 1:46:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Win conditions can be met simultaneously. For example, if you have a survivor, a townie, and a mafia in a final 3, and the mafia nk's the townie, the survivor and mafia win the game together. Your game should be a joint win between the two parties.
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7/25/2014 1:49:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/25/2014 1:46:32 AM, numberwang wrote:
Win conditions can be met simultaneously. For example, if you have a survivor, a townie, and a mafia in a final 3, and the mafia nk's the townie, the survivor and mafia win the game together. Your game should be a joint win between the two parties.
Thanks. I've been watching games on mafia scum trying to refine my plays and modding. I think I've got it down after watching a couple of theme games.
How about NO elections?

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7/25/2014 2:12:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/24/2014 10:47:07 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:46:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:45:33 PM, ChosenWolff wrote:
At 7/24/2014 10:41:36 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
1 town + 1 mafia = mafia wins
1 town + 2 mafia = mafia wins
2 town + 1 mafia = there has to be a lynch
I don't have a vig though

Lynch during the DP.
At night, mafia'll NK the remaining townie
MAFIA............ doesn't have a NK :(

it works the same as a survivor. Survivor wins if they are the last standing