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8/7/2014 5:15:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
THE FINAL FOUR
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YE WHO SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN
FourTrouble - Monk (Third-party Doctor) - "Russell Crowe" - Killed NP0
ford_prefect - Lawyer (Mafia) - "Tony Abbott" - Lynched DP1
KravMaga - Blacksmith (Gives BP status) - "Drizabone" - Killed NP1
Bullish - Cop (Flavour Revealed At Endgame) - "Father Bob" - Killed NP1
Khaos_Mage - Lawyer (Mafia) - "Tony Abbott" - Lynched DP2
Danielle - Mortician - "Uluru" - Killed NP3
SolonKR - Lawyer (Mafia) - "Tony Abbott" - Killed NP3

Yes, there are three Tony Abbott's in the graveyard.
Yes, that is correct.
Yes, I'm serious.

With 4 living players, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
This day phase will end in 72 hours.
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8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.
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8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?
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8/7/2014 5:23:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.
That pretty much confirms Khaos as town.
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8/7/2014 5:25:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?

Yes and if I hadn't pretended to be TP no doubt I wouldn't have gotten the chance.
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8/7/2014 5:27:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:22:26 AM, XLAV wrote:
And wtf, 3 Tony Abots in the graveyard...

Don't VTL anybody yet. I think tuff may have accidentally have outed himself as scum in this game by his analysis of me in another game, but I need to double check.
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8/7/2014 5:27:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:25:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?

Yes and if I hadn't pretended to be TP no doubt I wouldn't have gotten the chance.
It looks like town will win, if you really are not scum.
We lynch either TUF or Smith, if we get it wrong you vig the other.
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8/7/2014 5:28:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:27:55 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:25:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?

Yes and if I hadn't pretended to be TP no doubt I wouldn't have gotten the chance.
It looks like town will win, if you really are not scum.
We lynch either TUF or Smith, if we get it wrong you vig the other.

I'll be killed, I won't be able to vig the other.
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8/7/2014 5:33:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:28:52 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:27:55 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:25:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?

Yes and if I hadn't pretended to be TP no doubt I wouldn't have gotten the chance.
It looks like town will win, if you really are not scum.
We lynch either TUF or Smith, if we get it wrong you vig the other.

I'll be killed, I won't be able to vig the other.

Oh yeah, I forgot mafia actions goes first.
Who do you think is scum? TUF or Smith?
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8/7/2014 5:34:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.
What post was this?

I am town.
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8/7/2014 5:35:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:27:55 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:25:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?

Yes and if I hadn't pretended to be TP no doubt I wouldn't have gotten the chance.
It looks like town will win, if you really are not scum.
We lynch either TUF or Smith, if we get it wrong you vig the other.

We no lynch today. I'm not shooting tonight. Either me or you will survive, tuff and smith will VTL each other and then the fate of the game will either be in my hands or in yours, but probably yours.

I'll VTNL after I find and reread that post by tuff.
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8/7/2014 5:36:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:34:18 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.
What post was this?

I am town.

I'll find the post number, but I said I was siding with scum and he used reverse psychology to try and get me not to shoot him. How nobody else saw it as scummy is beyond me.
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8/7/2014 5:37:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:35:24 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:27:55 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:25:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?

Yes and if I hadn't pretended to be TP no doubt I wouldn't have gotten the chance.
It looks like town will win, if you really are not scum.
We lynch either TUF or Smith, if we get it wrong you vig the other.

We no lynch today. I'm not shooting tonight. Either me or you will survive, tuff and smith will VTL each other and then the fate of the game will either be in my hands or in yours, but probably yours.
I don't see why we need to VTNL. I'm pretty sure you're town already. Besides, 2 heads work better than 1 right?

I'll VTNL after I find and reread that post by tuff.
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8/7/2014 5:38:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:34:18 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.
What post was this?

I am town.

261 he attempted reverse psychology in a way that completely outed him as scum.
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8/7/2014 5:39:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:37:31 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:35:24 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:27:55 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:25:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:21:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:18:34 AM, Wylted wrote:
I lied about being TP killer last DP to avoid being shot so I could hit scum. Solon basically outed himself as scum last DP in case nobody noticed. Solon came out and asked me to shoot anybody but himself.

I am town.

So you shot Solon?

Yes and if I hadn't pretended to be TP no doubt I wouldn't have gotten the chance.
It looks like town will win, if you really are not scum.
We lynch either TUF or Smith, if we get it wrong you vig the other.

We no lynch today. I'm not shooting tonight. Either me or you will survive, tuff and smith will VTL each other and then the fate of the game will either be in my hands or in yours, but probably yours.
I don't see why we need to VTNL. I'm pretty sure you're town already. Besides, 2 heads work better than 1 right?

I'll VTNL after I find and reread that post by tuff.

It helps with POE it will 100% confirm an extra person as town unless scum is dumb enough to pass up a NK.
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8/7/2014 5:51:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I wanted to shoot tuff last night to confirm him, but was afraid he changed his target after I pretended to be TP. Sorry Tuff.
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8/7/2014 5:53:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:22:26 AM, XLAV wrote:
And wtf, 3 Tony Abots in the graveyard...

I need to know your scum reads.

I need everyone else's scum reads also.
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8/7/2014 5:59:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:53:09 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:22:26 AM, XLAV wrote:
And wtf, 3 Tony Abots in the graveyard...

I need to know your scum reads.

I need everyone else's scum reads also.

I'm active in 5 games, so my reads are getting mixed up and my scum hunting ability is sh*tty at the moment. I also don't have the time to even play right now too since I'm busy with exams and homeworks.

Maybe next time I'll limit myself to one/two games at a time.
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8/7/2014 6:02:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
We need to take into account that tuff came up with a plan that was 100% going to get Solon caught.

In my mind by POE Smith is scum. I'd rather just VTNL waive the NK and kill smith tomorrow. Of course tomorrow we need to reevaluate, before lynching.
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8/7/2014 6:07:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 5:59:11 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:53:09 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 5:22:26 AM, XLAV wrote:
And wtf, 3 Tony Abots in the graveyard...

I need to know your scum reads.

I need everyone else's scum reads also.

I'm active in 5 games, so my reads are getting mixed up and my scum hunting ability is sh*tty at the moment. I also don't have the time to even play right now too since I'm busy with exams and homeworks.

Maybe next time I'll limit myself to one/two games at a time.

I made the same mistake, myself.
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8/7/2014 6:11:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 6:02:13 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need to take into account that tuff came up with a plan that was 100% going to get Solon caught.
Good point. Could be a bus though.

In my mind by POE Smith is scum. I'd rather just VTNL waive the NK and kill smith tomorrow. Of course tomorrow we need to reevaluate, before lynching.

I still don't understand why we have to VTNL. Scum will most likely NK you since you are a lot more townier and dangerous than me. I know you were town from the start and I immediately knew what you were doing with that TP claim. (Lol, can't believe scum actually fell for it.)

Both of us are town and we both knows its either TUF or Smith. 2 heads are better than 1.
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8/7/2014 6:17:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 6:11:56 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:02:13 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need to take into account that tuff came up with a plan that was 100% going to get Solon caught.
Good point. Could be a bus though.

In my mind by POE Smith is scum. I'd rather just VTNL waive the NK and kill smith tomorrow. Of course tomorrow we need to reevaluate, before lynching.

I still don't understand why we have to VTNL. Scum will most likely NK you since you are a lot more townier and dangerous than me. I know you were town from the start and I immediately knew what you were doing with that TP claim. (Lol, can't believe scum actually fell for it.)

Both of us are town and we both knows its either TUF or Smith. 2 heads are better than 1.

I can't believe scum fell for it either. I'll consider a lynch, because I do know you're town. I've considered it could be a bus.

I was thinking when I claimed TP killer that there was no way they'd trust me, but given that they have, we were fortunate. The very fact that they trusted me as honest about being a TP killer also makes me think that Smith is scum. Isn't Tuf smarter than to trust me with that?
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8/7/2014 6:22:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
@Tuf, if you're town it was a dumb move not letting yourself get lynched last DP. With Solon and you dead it would be easy to conclude that Smith is scum.
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8/7/2014 6:28:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 6:17:29 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:11:56 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:02:13 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need to take into account that tuff came up with a plan that was 100% going to get Solon caught.
Good point. Could be a bus though.

In my mind by POE Smith is scum. I'd rather just VTNL waive the NK and kill smith tomorrow. Of course tomorrow we need to reevaluate, before lynching.

I still don't understand why we have to VTNL. Scum will most likely NK you since you are a lot more townier and dangerous than me. I know you were town from the start and I immediately knew what you were doing with that TP claim. (Lol, can't believe scum actually fell for it.)

Both of us are town and we both knows its either TUF or Smith. 2 heads are better than 1.

I can't believe scum fell for it either. I'll consider a lynch, because I do know you're town. I've considered it could be a bus.

I was thinking when I claimed TP killer that there was no way they'd trust me, but given that they have, we were fortunate. The very fact that they trusted me as honest about being a TP killer also makes me think that Smith is scum. Isn't Tuf smarter than to trust me with that?

Remember when Smith claimed tracker and shared his results? I'm pretty sure that was stupid to claim without reading the whole DP yet. I also think his "woops, I didn't know she actually visited dead people" post was not natural and forced.

TUF also soft claimed in DP1, but Smith led a lynch on Ford (still not sure if scum or town). The Ford lynch could be a bus though. I haven't seen Ford sign up in any of the active games and his last game was HP mafia and this game.

The way I see it, Ford could be busy, and he allowed Smith to bus him for town cred.
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8/7/2014 6:33:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 6:28:50 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:17:29 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:11:56 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:02:13 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need to take into account that tuff came up with a plan that was 100% going to get Solon caught.
Good point. Could be a bus though.

In my mind by POE Smith is scum. I'd rather just VTNL waive the NK and kill smith tomorrow. Of course tomorrow we need to reevaluate, before lynching.

I still don't understand why we have to VTNL. Scum will most likely NK you since you are a lot more townier and dangerous than me. I know you were town from the start and I immediately knew what you were doing with that TP claim. (Lol, can't believe scum actually fell for it.)

Both of us are town and we both knows its either TUF or Smith. 2 heads are better than 1.

I can't believe scum fell for it either. I'll consider a lynch, because I do know you're town. I've considered it could be a bus.

I was thinking when I claimed TP killer that there was no way they'd trust me, but given that they have, we were fortunate. The very fact that they trusted me as honest about being a TP killer also makes me think that Smith is scum. Isn't Tuf smarter than to trust me with that?

Remember when Smith claimed tracker and shared his results? I'm pretty sure that was stupid to claim without reading the whole DP yet. I also think his "woops, I didn't know she actually visited dead people" post was not natural and forced.

TUF also soft claimed in DP1, but Smith led a lynch on Ford (still not sure if scum or town). The Ford lynch could be a bus though. I haven't seen Ford sign up in any of the active games and his last game was HP mafia and this game.

The way I see it, Ford could be busy, and he allowed Smith to bus him for town cred.

That did seen fake. Do you just want to end the game this DP? Right now?
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8/7/2014 6:40:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 6:33:35 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:28:50 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:17:29 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:11:56 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:02:13 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need to take into account that tuff came up with a plan that was 100% going to get Solon caught.
Good point. Could be a bus though.

In my mind by POE Smith is scum. I'd rather just VTNL waive the NK and kill smith tomorrow. Of course tomorrow we need to reevaluate, before lynching.

I still don't understand why we have to VTNL. Scum will most likely NK you since you are a lot more townier and dangerous than me. I know you were town from the start and I immediately knew what you were doing with that TP claim. (Lol, can't believe scum actually fell for it.)

Both of us are town and we both knows its either TUF or Smith. 2 heads are better than 1.

I can't believe scum fell for it either. I'll consider a lynch, because I do know you're town. I've considered it could be a bus.

I was thinking when I claimed TP killer that there was no way they'd trust me, but given that they have, we were fortunate. The very fact that they trusted me as honest about being a TP killer also makes me think that Smith is scum. Isn't Tuf smarter than to trust me with that?

Remember when Smith claimed tracker and shared his results? I'm pretty sure that was stupid to claim without reading the whole DP yet. I also think his "woops, I didn't know she actually visited dead people" post was not natural and forced.

TUF also soft claimed in DP1, but Smith led a lynch on Ford (still not sure if scum or town). The Ford lynch could be a bus though. I haven't seen Ford sign up in any of the active games and his last game was HP mafia and this game.

The way I see it, Ford could be busy, and he allowed Smith to bus him for town cred.

That did seen fake. Do you just want to end the game this DP? Right now?
Let this be the last DP, but we both have to think this through first.

While we're scum hunting, we can go grab a popcorn and watch TUF and Smith battle it out this DP.
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8/7/2014 6:49:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/7/2014 6:40:03 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:33:35 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:28:50 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:17:29 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:11:56 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 8/7/2014 6:02:13 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need to take into account that tuff came up with a plan that was 100% going to get Solon caught.
Good point. Could be a bus though.

In my mind by POE Smith is scum. I'd rather just VTNL waive the NK and kill smith tomorrow. Of course tomorrow we need to reevaluate, before lynching.

I still don't understand why we have to VTNL. Scum will most likely NK you since you are a lot more townier and dangerous than me. I know you were town from the start and I immediately knew what you were doing with that TP claim. (Lol, can't believe scum actually fell for it.)

Both of us are town and we both knows its either TUF or Smith. 2 heads are better than 1.

I can't believe scum fell for it either. I'll consider a lynch, because I do know you're town. I've considered it could be a bus.

I was thinking when I claimed TP killer that there was no way they'd trust me, but given that they have, we were fortunate. The very fact that they trusted me as honest about being a TP killer also makes me think that Smith is scum. Isn't Tuf smarter than to trust me with that?

Remember when Smith claimed tracker and shared his results? I'm pretty sure that was stupid to claim without reading the whole DP yet. I also think his "woops, I didn't know she actually visited dead people" post was not natural and forced.

TUF also soft claimed in DP1, but Smith led a lynch on Ford (still not sure if scum or town). The Ford lynch could be a bus though. I haven't seen Ford sign up in any of the active games and his last game was HP mafia and this game.

The way I see it, Ford could be busy, and he allowed Smith to bus him for town cred.

That did seen fake. Do you just want to end the game this DP? Right now?
Let this be the last DP, but we both have to think this through first.

While we're scum hunting, we can go grab a popcorn and watch TUF and Smith battle it out this DP.

Okay, I'll grab some popcorn and see what they have to say. Then we'll kill one of them. Also just putting this out there. If either one of them refuses to vote. I will use my vig on them tonight.
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8/7/2014 7:04:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
We win! Last night TUF did as expected and visited Danielle. This can only be explained by the fact that Danielle in this game has been the main pusher of suspicion against TUF. Matter resolved. VTL TUF.

@Wylted, the mafia would have been forced to believe that you were a third party. This means that if they shoot town and win the game, mafia lose, and you win instead, despite what you claimed. If TUF wasn't the mafia, they would have been forced to shoot you in the night to avoid risk losing the game. Seeing as how TUF shot Danielle, where Danielle was inevitably going to use her town confirmed status to lynch TUF in the next DP, it was more important to silence her than to silence Wylted.

The fact that I confirmed Danielle last DP means that I effectively forced the mafia to shoot her dead. Analyzing the situation, it's pretty clear that the last scum is TUF.

I'm curious as to what he could possibly say in defense of what we now know to be true.

Also, in response to the Ford matter, we can now confirm him to be scum, and Khaos to be town. Given that TUF concerned himself with lynching Khaos, which actually turned out to be a mislynch, you can use this reasoning to show why TUF wasn't interested in removing Ford from the game. My scum reads on the other hand have been highly accurate. Scum read Ford, Khaos, TUF and Solon all before they died. Only one inaccurate read out of 4.

Congratulations however on the kill. I thought you were TP. In future though, never claim TP to avoid the mafia kill. Mafia prioritize TP kills over town kills ALWAYS. Third parties usually don't have a joint win condition. Because of this, mafia never allow TP's to survive to MYLO/LYLO. The fact that you lived the night means that TUF had larger worries, in the form of Danielle driving the lynch against him the following day. In her absence, I wish to do just that.

Sink the last scum. For Australia!

VTL TUF For death.

GG.
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