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Beginners' Mafia 29.3: DP1

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9/2/2014 6:21:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1. Partial-claiming - Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns - Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected. Also, a complete list of possible roles can be found here: https://docs.google.com...

This game may diverge a bit from previous themes--and I hope the insurgent mafia do well. Then again though, I wish town well to.
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9/2/2014 6:23:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
LIVING PLAYERS

Krieg
Adam
Wylted
Dalt
Lannan
9space
Subtuai
XLAV
Budda
Khaos

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 6:00pm, DDO time, 9/4/14.


Good luck!
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9/2/2014 6:55:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 6:53:46 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
oh my god....my role..... :{

VTL 9space

Character claim. NOW!!!
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9/2/2014 6:55:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 6:54:37 PM, XLAV wrote:
Oh gawd, such spoilers.

Believe it or not, I town read this.
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9/2/2014 6:58:43 PM
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VOTE COUNT

Krieg (1/6) - 9space
9space (1/6) - Khaos
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9/2/2014 6:58:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 6:54:13 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
VTL KRIEG
we gotta start with someone.

Alright then fine VTL 9space "we gotta start with someone."
How come when I hit review it sometimes adds my post without me clicking add post?
Does this happen to other people?

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9/2/2014 7:09:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 6:54:13 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
VTL KRIEG
we gotta start with someone.

What do you want from me? Character, Role etc....
How come when I hit review it sometimes adds my post without me clicking add post?
Does this happen to other people?

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9/2/2014 7:19:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 7:09:09 PM, Krieg01 wrote:
At 9/2/2014 6:54:13 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
VTL KRIEG
we gotta start with someone.

What do you want from me? Character, Role etc....

I'll go with character, and if you could, please tell me who 9space claimed.
But, do as you wish.

I got the claim I wanted today, and I shan't be claiming myself.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/2/2014 7:26:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 7:19:19 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 9/2/2014 7:09:09 PM, Krieg01 wrote:
At 9/2/2014 6:54:13 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
VTL KRIEG
we gotta start with someone.

What do you want from me? Character, Role etc....

I'll go with character, and if you could, please tell me who 9space claimed.
But, do as you wish.

I got the claim I wanted today, and I shan't be claiming myself.

Well I can't tell you who 9space claimed as that site is blocked for me, I'm in school at the moment.

I am Mr Kang I help people out but only because I have too. (Hopefully that is good enough for your tastes)
How come when I hit review it sometimes adds my post without me clicking add post?
Does this happen to other people?

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9/2/2014 7:27:36 PM
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At 9/2/2014 7:26:03 PM, Krieg01 wrote:

I am Mr Kang I help people out but only because I have too. (Hopefully that is good enough for your tastes)

For the record, if you are claiming character, just say Mr. Kang.
You don't need to describe yourself. In fact, you shouldn't.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/2/2014 7:28:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 7:27:36 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 9/2/2014 7:26:03 PM, Krieg01 wrote:

I am Mr Kang I help people out but only because I have too. (Hopefully that is good enough for your tastes)

For the record, if you are claiming character, just say Mr. Kang.
You don't need to describe yourself. In fact, you shouldn't.

Oh thanks for the feedback, I'll remember that.
How come when I hit review it sometimes adds my post without me clicking add post?
Does this happen to other people?

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9/2/2014 7:30:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 7:27:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I want a lynch today, and I choose:

Unvote VTL Dalton for death

He could be Marcus Eaton! just looking at the link it said Official Marcus!
How come when I hit review it sometimes adds my post without me clicking add post?
Does this happen to other people?

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9/2/2014 7:33:14 PM
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At 9/2/2014 7:30:19 PM, Krieg01 wrote:
At 9/2/2014 7:27:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I want a lynch today, and I choose:

Unvote VTL Dalton for death

He could be Marcus Eaton! just looking at the link it said Official Marcus!

aha! You got it. I am Marcus.
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9/2/2014 7:33:31 PM
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At 9/2/2014 7:30:19 PM, Krieg01 wrote:
At 9/2/2014 7:27:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I want a lynch today, and I choose:

Unvote VTL Dalton for death

He could be Marcus Eaton! just looking at the link it said Official Marcus!

Dalton hasn't said anything yet.
I assume you mean 9space.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/2/2014 7:33:38 PM
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UNVOTE VTL DALTON
let's just go with the flow for now. See what develops later.
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9/2/2014 7:35:03 PM
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I think I know what Krieg's role is. It looks pretty obvious to me, but I'm not going to say. It's gonna hurt town more than hurt scum if he really is Mr. Kang.
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9/2/2014 7:35:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 7:33:38 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
UNVOTE VTL DALTON
let's just go with the flow for now. See what develops later.

The game is much more enjoyable and satisfying if you make your own waves.
Food for thought.

Also, do you want him dead?
I do.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/2/2014 7:36:38 PM
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At 9/2/2014 7:35:03 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
I think I know what Krieg's role is. It looks pretty obvious to me, but I'm not going to say. It's gonna hurt town more than hurt scum if he really is Mr. Kang.

Well I couldn't think of any other way to try and hide the name so I just said Mr Kang it is really easy to figure out who I am!
How come when I hit review it sometimes adds my post without me clicking add post?
Does this happen to other people?

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9/2/2014 7:38:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 7:36:38 PM, Krieg01 wrote:
At 9/2/2014 7:35:03 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
I think I know what Krieg's role is. It looks pretty obvious to me, but I'm not going to say. It's gonna hurt town more than hurt scum if he really is Mr. Kang.

Well I couldn't think of any other way to try and hide the name so I just said Mr Kang it is really easy to figure out who I am!
yeah, that's okay. Based on your role, you can't do much harm to mafia.
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9/2/2014 8:57:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 7:38:06 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
At 9/2/2014 7:36:38 PM, Krieg01 wrote:
At 9/2/2014 7:35:03 PM, 9spaceking wrote:
I think I know what Krieg's role is. It looks pretty obvious to me, but I'm not going to say. It's gonna hurt town more than hurt scum if he really is Mr. Kang.

Well I couldn't think of any other way to try and hide the name so I just said Mr Kang it is really easy to figure out who I am!
yeah, that's okay. Based on your role, you can't do much harm to mafia.

You don't know my role do? you know my character's name!
How come when I hit review it sometimes adds my post without me clicking add post?
Does this happen to other people?

#LEARN TO SPEAK UP
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Learn to use emoticons DDO.
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9/2/2014 9:11:46 PM
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I'm currently writing a debate argument and I start school tomorrow. Not going to be as active as I was in other games recently.

I'm dauntless born. That narrows down the divergent main character pool by about two thirds, for anyone with a clue of the theme.

Additionally, Khaos is fos'ing and pressuring people to character claim whilst refusing to claim himself - this is scummy. A notable other game where Khaos demanded information from others but refused to give it was 28.3; he was TP scum (mime)

I want a claim from him now, and then would prefer noo more claims for the rest of the DP. Don't give the mafia too much information.

VTL Khaos for death unless he at least matches my soft claim. :)
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9/2/2014 9:26:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/2/2014 9:11:46 PM, Daltonian wrote:
I'm currently writing a debate argument and I start school tomorrow. Not going to be as active as I was in other games recently.

Have fun.

I'm dauntless born. That narrows down the divergent main character pool by about two thirds, for anyone with a clue of the theme.

Not a clue what that means.

Additionally, Khaos is fos'ing and pressuring people to character claim whilst refusing to claim himself - this is scummy. A notable other game where Khaos demanded information from others but refused to give it was 28.3; he was TP scum (mime)

Oh, you mean where I was TRYING to get lynched.
So, if my actions remind you of a game where I was trying to get lynched, does that mean I am trying to get lynched now? If so, how does that make me mafia?

I want a claim from him now, and then would prefer noo more claims for the rest of the DP. Don't give the mafia too much information.
Shhhhh, not going to happen.

VTL Khaos for death unless he at least matches my soft claim. :)
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9/2/2014 9:32:24 PM
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At 9/2/2014 9:26:54 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
A briefing of the theme for you - there are 5 factions in divergent, one of which is dauntless. This means my character was born in that faction and none of the four others - they did not switch from another faction to Dauntless.

I want you to soft claim, even if the soft claim isn't thematic, or if it's related to your role rather than character.

(http://en.wikipedia.org...)
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9/2/2014 9:34:17 PM
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At 9/2/2014 9:32:24 PM, Daltonian wrote:
At 9/2/2014 9:26:54 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
A briefing of the theme for you - there are 5 factions in divergent, one of which is dauntless. This means my character was born in that faction and none of the four others - they did not switch from another faction to Dauntless.

I want you to soft claim, even if the soft claim isn't thematic, or if it's related to your role rather than character.

(http://en.wikipedia.org...)

Don't care.
Also, I will not.
Address the logic or die.
My work here is, finally, done.