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Gift of Horus Mafia DP1

Khaos_Mage
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9/21/2014 10:08:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
As the Oracle flung open the Chamber doors, she shouted "A most disturbing vision" The other two Oracles solemnly nodded in unison.

"If only we knew who the traitors were in our sisterhood" said the second.

"The battle has begun. Let us use all our cunning and wisdom to keep Anubis at bay."

Here"s the set-up.
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Due to confusion, if and when any roles become permanent, I will inform the oracles, the players, and the mafia of the consequences of additional roles, using specifics if applicable to the player. They can then relay that information to others if they choose to.
However, I tried to explain it as best I could throughout the sign-up thread, and a bit of a flow chart in post 35.


The basics:

Town roles are either:
Priestess - at the end of every day, you pray to Horus for the strength to fight the impending forces of Anubis. You swear that if Horus grants you this strength, you will use it.

Oracle - Horus has entrusted you with bestowing his gifts to his followers. Choose wisely:
Role 1
Role 2
Role 3

Before the DP is over, you must assign each player a role. Failure to do so will result in the mod randomly assigning roles to random players. You will be notified of the selection.

Oracles bestow their gifts (i.e. roles) to the players of their choice at the end of the DP, and reclaim their roles at the end of the NP (it is the last action).
Town must use a gifted role in the night, or they will be mod-killed.
If town is gifted more than one role, only the chosen role will be enabled.
Any gifted roles die with their player who has them at the time.
Mafia will get stronger as the game progresses.
This game was designed to read behavior.


The rules:
All standard rules apply.
DPs will be 72 hours long. DP1 will be given an extra 24 hours due to being the first, and because Mondays are bad for me, so it might take me a while to address any questions in the PM.
NPs will be 48 hours or when everyone has submitted a night action, whichever occurs first.
The DP will end at majority vote only of no lynch or the lynch of a player; however, Oracles have 5 hours after the official announcement of the end of the DP to submit their actions. Talking will not be allowed in this 5 hour interval.


1. Yama
2. Ford
3. bsh1
4. Bullish
5. Lannan
6. Lucky
7. Zaradi
8. TheGreatAndPowerful
9. XLAV
10.numberwang
11.MonetaryOffset
12.9spaceking
13.Daltonian

With 13 alive, it takes seven to lynch.
My work here is, finally, done.
bsh1
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9/21/2014 10:12:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Claiming does not seem wise as it will out the Oracles. In light of this, what do we hope to accomplish this DP, if anything?
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Khaos_Mage
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9/21/2014 10:13:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The DP ends no later than 10 PM on 9/25
(oracles have 5 hours after the end of the DP to submit their actions)
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/21/2014 10:14:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:12:49 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Claiming does not seem wise as it will out the Oracles. In light of this, what do we hope to accomplish this DP, if anything?

Use the wincon.
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9/21/2014 10:22:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:14:04 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:12:49 PM, bsh1 wrote:
Claiming does not seem wise as it will out the Oracles. In light of this, what do we hope to accomplish this DP, if anything?

Use the wincon.

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9/21/2014 10:30:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I really need to proofread better....
Oracles assign each of their roles to a player of their choice for the night.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

"If only we knew who the traitors were in our sisterhood" said the second.
One of them is scum.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Lucky_Luciano
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9/21/2014 10:34:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

"If only we knew who the traitors were in our sisterhood" said the second.
One of them is scum.

Nope. Those are priests they are mentioning. The priests of Anubis.
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9/21/2014 10:34:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

"If only we knew who the traitors were in our sisterhood" said the second.
One of them is scum.

traitors - plural. The oracles are most likely town. I think what the introduction meant was the two or three priestess are mafia. So nothing special about the introduction, just the usual mafia themed intro.
bsh1
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9/21/2014 10:34:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

"If only we knew who the traitors were in our sisterhood" said the second.
One of them is scum.

That's not what it means, I think. All Oracles are town. Some of the Priestesses are town.
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9/21/2014 10:35:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

That would require outing the oracles--that's dumb. It would be like handing mafia their targets on a platter.
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9/21/2014 10:37:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:35:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

That would require outing the oracles--that's dumb. It would be like handing mafia their targets on a platter.

Well they don't have to say: "Yo, I'm an oracle and I gave myself cop!", do they?
numberwang
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9/21/2014 10:37:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I agree with xlav and bsh, we shouldn't just to claiming without at least thinking about the ramifications about a big claim and orc's should gift themselves if it seems useful to them, if they are so able. That does, however, seem a tad overpowered and I will ask Khaos myself if it's true.

Having only a few people claim seems 100% useless since we only have 2 roles, which makes cc'ing next to impossible.

We have two options: everyone claims or no one does. If everyone claims, maf will be forced to claim priestess or orcale. So we end up with either 3 orcs (in which case orcs are all cleared) and 10 priestess claims, 4 orcs 9 priestess claims, 5 orcs 8 priest claims, and 6 orcs 7 priestess claims (I am assuming that there are only 4 non town players, and all of them claim as townies).

Then we decide which group to lynch in based on which has more fake claims (higher chance of hitting maf), the orcs have good candidates for who they should orc based on which group has less fake claims (because there will be a lower chance of orcing maf in that group).

So we do all that, or no one claims and we just nl to get today over with with minimum pr reads. That's what I think anyway.

Thoughts?
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9/21/2014 10:39:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:38:30 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Hey Yama, whats our Wincon?
Our what?
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
numberwang
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9/21/2014 10:39:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:35:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

That would require outing the oracles--that's dumb. It would be like handing mafia their targets on a platter.

And it'd be stupid because orcs would be forced to choose between using the role they give them self (which they should do, because they can) and the role they are given. Its effectively wasting roles.
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9/21/2014 10:39:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:39:30 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:38:30 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Hey Yama, whats our Wincon?
Our what?

You know, who do we win with?
bsh1
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9/21/2014 10:40:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:39:40 PM, numberwang wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:35:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

That would require outing the oracles--that's dumb. It would be like handing mafia their targets on a platter.

And it'd be stupid because orcs would be forced to choose between using the role they give them self (which they should do, because they can) and the role they are given. Its effectively wasting roles.

Agreed. Thank you.
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9/21/2014 10:40:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:39:57 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:39:30 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:38:30 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Hey Yama, whats our Wincon?
Our what?

You know, who do we win with?
What is our wincon, XLAV?
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
bsh1
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9/21/2014 10:41:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:37:28 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:35:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:23:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
I recommend the oracles to give one of their roles to themselves since you're all most likely town.

That would require outing the oracles--that's dumb. It would be like handing mafia their targets on a platter.

Well they don't have to say: "Yo, I'm an oracle and I gave myself cop!", do they?

Sorry. I misread what you typed.
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9/21/2014 10:42:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:40:51 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:39:57 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:39:30 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:38:30 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Hey Yama, whats our Wincon?
Our what?

You know, who do we win with?
What is our wincon, XLAV?

Stop. No one out the wincon unless a majority of town agrees.
Live Long and Prosper

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9/21/2014 10:45:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:42:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:40:51 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:39:57 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:39:30 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:38:30 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 9/21/2014 10:31:06 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Hey Yama, whats our Wincon?
Our what?

You know, who do we win with?
What is our wincon, XLAV?

Stop. No one out the wincon unless a majority of town agrees.

Why shouldnt town know the wincon?
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9/21/2014 10:46:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'll post tomorrow afternoon; busy tonight and most of tomorrow.
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9/21/2014 10:46:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Why doesnt town already know the wincon? Thats obnoxious. Or do some of us know and some of us don't? Because I don't but it seems that some of you do.
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9/21/2014 10:48:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think that, because we can't claim, there isn't that much to accomplish today. There is no need to pressure anyone unless someone makes an obvious scumslip, and I don't think we should out the wincon yet until we have a better idea of who is scum.

If we have a suspected Mafioso, we can VTL them to reveal the wincon. If they get it wrong, they get lynched. We can continue to use this method until someone finally gets the wincon right. But again, we should wait until next DP to begin this process since there won't be enough info to go on this DP in all likelihood.

Thoughts on this plan?
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9/21/2014 10:49:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/21/2014 10:48:03 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think that, because we can't claim, there isn't that much to accomplish today. There is no need to pressure anyone unless someone makes an obvious scumslip, and I don't think we should out the wincon yet until we have a better idea of who is scum.

We could claim if we assumed that all orcs are townies (see my post above), but that might be too much to hope for at this point.

If we have a suspected Mafioso, we can VTL them to reveal the wincon. If they get it wrong, they get lynched. We can continue to use this method until someone finally gets the wincon right. But again, we should wait until next DP to begin this process since there won't be enough info to go on this DP in all likelihood.

I don't get this, you're suggesting that we lynch someone in hopes that their PM reveals a wincon? Or that the mod will reveal a wincon because we make progress towards winning?

Thoughts on this plan?