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Lucky_Luciano
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9/23/2014 9:18:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Debatability and Budda died last DP. Endarkened died during the NP.

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Debatability - You are now a roleblocker. - Town

Budda - You are the Beast. You appear as an ordinary adventurer to avoid being hunted. During the day phase you may submit in your role pm which zone you would like to visit during the night. If you fail to submit a zone, you will go to a random zone. In each zone you will find animals to kill. The animal you kill on the initial night phase will provide you with a consistent role, and then further kills against animals will allow you to enhance that role. However, during the night phase you have the option of shapeshifting into your true form and killing an adventurer in the same zone as you. Your transformation will be announced in the zone pm for everyone to know, so be careful. If you kill three players with your transformation and survive the DP following your third kill, you win alone.

Also, You are now a watcher. - Third Party

Endarkened - You are now a cop. - Town

Adam - Miller - Town
Bullish - Role Recycler - Town

Living Players

1. Bossy
2. TUF
3. Trekie
4. Zaradi
5. Maikuru
6. Malacoda
7. Khaos/Bsh1
8. Ford
9. TheGreatAndPowerful
10. Daltonian

With 10 players remaining, it take 6 votes to lynch. The DP ends in 120 hours, which is 10:15 EDT, 9:15 DDO Time on Sunday, the 28th.
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9/23/2014 9:27:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 7:51:20 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
You can go back and read my posts and clearly follow my thought process regarding Adam, TuF.

Its really easy to take one post out of context and shade it as scummy. Less so when putting that post into context

First, I didn't neccesarily say anything was scummy. I am more just trying to understand your thought process behind the action.

At 9/17/2014 12:53:13 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 9/17/2014 12:40:43 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:

Also, Adam should know what a miller already is from Themeless mafia. Why is Adam going elsewhere to learn about roles Lucky designed for this game?

shibby, that is right. Cause Yama claimed miller in Themeless, no? Adam was still alive at that point, thus should know what a miller is, and not need to research it in the first place. Freakin derp on my part not remembering this.

VTL Adam

This is the L-1 vote, so next vote hammers

Why did you dis-regard the possibility that adam had overseen the miller claim, or didn't know what it is (especially based on his themeless DP1 play)? Isn't that the same argument you used for me knowing what a Judas was? Which also turned out to be untrue. People oversee things, or don't remember them, Not sure why you dis-regarded your entire read on him over this, but more interestingly so when he was starting to accrue a growing bandwagon.
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9/23/2014 9:27:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Womp. I've got some stuff to say but I'd first like to hear from Bossy and Khaos.
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9/23/2014 9:28:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
What?!
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9/23/2014 9:28:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
About to spontaneously combust

Khaos/Bsh1 - 1/6 - TGAP
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9/23/2014 9:29:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:27:59 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
VTL Khaos

Wrong about debatable. Wrong about Endark. Failed the CC.

Die.

We should at least see who he's going to bus with his results.
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9/23/2014 9:30:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 8:27:37 PM, Daltonian wrote:
At 9/19/2014 8:14:54 PM, TUF wrote:
You didn't make the statement, so you answering the question doesn't help me at all mate.
If we're going to psycho-analyze and continually decontextualize posts, then I'll just say that it's interesting that in this post it's interesting that TUF is considering what helps "me" and not "we, the town".

I know I am town, so why would I say we? "We" indicates that I have inside knowledge of who his town and who isn't. That and the fact that I had more scum reads than town reads, I trust no one.

All of this is fluffy. Stop it.

What is fluffy about it?
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9/23/2014 9:32:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:30:30 PM, TUF wrote:

Do you have any reads or results or anything, or do you only exist in the past?
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9/23/2014 9:32:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Hmmmm.
So, do we think there is a tailor?

I find it odd that ER was cop, since he started in the same zone.
Trekkie, are you a cop as well?

However, what I find odd is that ER was so adamant about my being innocent that he was convinced that I was godfather or he was flavored. That level of assurance is odd, given that my results state that I have no concrete evidence that my target is correct. "your target" is not conclusive enough to assume flavor or godfather over being redirected, IMO.

That said, I want to hear what Bossy has to say.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/23/2014 9:32:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It could be that there is a flavored an unflavored cop in the game.

If that's the case, Endark was unflavored since he got an innocent result on us. Since we got a guilty first, and then tonight we got an innocent on Maikuru, we cannot be paranoid (all-guilty results). Therefore, we're likely insane and we get the opposite of the truth. Which, in that inverted sense, would put our FOS on Maikuru.
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9/23/2014 9:33:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 8:40:15 PM, Daltonian wrote:
VTL TUF
for claim either publicly or in Holy Rivers PM

Yeah, I've decided this is who I want to claim now. I know him as a bit of a better player than to be using the play-style he's using now, and his selectiveness irks me.

What playstyle do you think I usually use then? As far as I know I have really only played OINTB, and transformers with you in which my involvement with you wasn't all that immersive.

I'm just not liking his behaviour. Whilst he is unclaimed, my attention will naturally direct itself to him, so thus my vote.

Why do role claims matter in this game? How do they in any way help the town?
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9/23/2014 9:34:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:32:03 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:30:30 PM, TUF wrote:

Do you have any reads or results or anything, or do you only exist in the past?

I need to get caught up, and have less than an hour to do so, so for now, I exist in the past. I will organize some thoughts into reads at work tonight.
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9/23/2014 9:34:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:32:24 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Hmmmm.
So, do we think there is a tailor?

No.


I find it odd that ER was cop, since he started in the same zone.

Guess it means you aren't.

Trekkie, are you a cop as well?

However, what I find odd is that ER was so adamant about my being innocent that he was convinced that I was godfather or he was flavored. That level of assurance is odd, given that my results state that I have no concrete evidence that my target is correct. "your target" is not conclusive enough to assume flavor or godfather over being redirected, IMO.

That said, I want to hear what Bossy has to say.

Did you visit him? What were your results? You seem oddly nonchalant about all this.
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9/23/2014 9:35:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:32:38 PM, bsh1 wrote:
It could be that there is a flavored an unflavored cop in the game.

If that's the case, Endark was unflavored since he got an innocent result on us. Since we got a guilty first, and then tonight we got an innocent on Maikuru, we cannot be paranoid (all-guilty results). Therefore, we're likely insane and we get the opposite of the truth. Which, in that inverted sense, would put our FOS on Maikuru.

Why didn't you visit bossy as planned?
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9/23/2014 9:36:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:32:38 PM, bsh1 wrote:
It could be that there is a flavored an unflavored cop in the game.

If that's the case, Endark was unflavored since he got an innocent result on us. Since we got a guilty first, and then tonight we got an innocent on Maikuru, we cannot be paranoid (all-guilty results). Therefore, we're likely insane and we get the opposite of the truth. Which, in that inverted sense, would put our FOS on Maikuru.

So you visited me instead of bossy? lol nice.

Also, if you got an innocent on me and there is no possible flavor that could get that outcome after a false guilty on debate aside from the fact that I am scum, why only an FOS?

VTL khaos
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9/23/2014 9:36:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 9:21:43 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 9/19/2014 9:15:49 PM, Daltonian wrote:
At 9/19/2014 9:12:52 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Who's got questions?

I've got one: why are we not lynching Debate?
Why should we?

Because I said!!!

Also, because it doesn't explain her concern about ending the DP but not unvoting.
In fact, she even said its a valid reason.

So, she admits the reasons are valid for suspicion.
She is a negative utility to town (and seriously, she had no one she suspected to roleblock last night?).

How is that not pro-town? She forfeited a negative utility role that can hurt the town just as much if not more than it can hurt the mafia.
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9/23/2014 9:37:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
My role reached level 3 and changed entirely effective NP3. Anyone else?

Also, I way way way don't buy Maikuru as scum over Khaos/bsh.
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9/23/2014 9:37:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:35:15 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:32:38 PM, bsh1 wrote:
It could be that there is a flavored an unflavored cop in the game.

If that's the case, Endark was unflavored since he got an innocent result on us. Since we got a guilty first, and then tonight we got an innocent on Maikuru, we cannot be paranoid (all-guilty results). Therefore, we're likely insane and we get the opposite of the truth. Which, in that inverted sense, would put our FOS on Maikuru.

Why didn't you visit bossy as planned?

I think he is taking my lead, and I never agreed to that plan.
I also would not have said this yet, but since he did,
VTL Maikuru
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/23/2014 9:37:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:34:21 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:32:24 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Hmmmm.
So, do we think there is a tailor?

Guess it means you aren't.

Really, we aren't that dumb. As soon as Endark flipped, we'd be exposed. A 1-1 trade is not smart for mafia. We have no reason to fake a CC.
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9/23/2014 9:38:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:37:14 PM, Daltonian wrote:
My role reached level 3 and changed entirely effective NP3. Anyone else?

Also, I way way way don't buy Maikuru as scum over Khaos/bsh.

Yep.
So, much so, that I can confirm myself as cop this NP.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/23/2014 9:39:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:37:14 PM, Daltonian wrote:
My role reached level 3 and changed entirely effective NP3. Anyone else?

Also, I way way way don't buy Maikuru as scum over Khaos/bsh.

My role changed too, for the worse. The good news is, one of the modifications for my role all but guarantees that scum could have gotten town-sided protective roles in this game (e.g. doc, bodyguard). If they could not have received such roles, one of my modifications would not work.
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9/23/2014 9:39:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:27:59 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
VTL Khaos

Wrong about debatable. Wrong about Endark. Failed the CC.

Die.

Debate? I explicitly said my results might not be accurate.
ER? Yes, I was wrong, but for the same reason your third point is wrong.
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9/23/2014 9:39:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:36:53 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:32:38 PM, bsh1 wrote:
It could be that there is a flavored an unflavored cop in the game.

If that's the case, Endark was unflavored since he got an innocent result on us. Since we got a guilty first, and then tonight we got an innocent on Maikuru, we cannot be paranoid (all-guilty results). Therefore, we're likely insane and we get the opposite of the truth. Which, in that inverted sense, would put our FOS on Maikuru.

So you visited me instead of bossy? lol nice.

Also, if you got an innocent on me and there is no possible flavor that could get that outcome after a false guilty on debate aside from the fact that I am scum, why only an FOS?

Because I am extremely confused, and until I'm more sure, I am only going to FOS. There could be a tailor, there could be two cops, our results could have been randomized, we could've been redirected or bus driven...I have NO clue.
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9/23/2014 9:40:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
About to spontaneously combust

Khaos/Bsh1 - 2/6 - TGAP, Maikuru
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9/23/2014 9:40:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:37:35 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:34:21 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:32:24 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Hmmmm.
So, do we think there is a tailor?

Guess it means you aren't.

Really, we aren't that dumb. As soon as Endark flipped, we'd be exposed. A 1-1 trade is not smart for mafia. We have no reason to fake a CC.

Except it wasn't a 1-1 trade, was it? You got two out of this deal.

1. You conveniently assume Endark was normal, instead of insane or naive, or that you could be GF. Interesting you present only the case that makes you Town.

2. You didn't visit bossy, which would have confirmed you either way.

3. You guys didn't come out of the gate going after Maikuru, as you should if you were actually insane.

Maikuru isn't getting lynched this phase. You are.
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9/23/2014 9:40:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:40:19 PM, Lucky_Luciano wrote:
About to spontaneously combust

Khaos/Bsh1 - 2/6 - TGAP, Maikuru
Maikuru - 1/6 - Khaos

Fixed.
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9/23/2014 9:41:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/23/2014 9:39:32 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:36:53 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 9/23/2014 9:32:38 PM, bsh1 wrote:
It could be that there is a flavored an unflavored cop in the game.

If that's the case, Endark was unflavored since he got an innocent result on us. Since we got a guilty first, and then tonight we got an innocent on Maikuru, we cannot be paranoid (all-guilty results). Therefore, we're likely insane and we get the opposite of the truth. Which, in that inverted sense, would put our FOS on Maikuru.

So you visited me instead of bossy? lol nice.

Also, if you got an innocent on me and there is no possible flavor that could get that outcome after a false guilty on debate aside from the fact that I am scum, why only an FOS?

Because I am extremely confused, and until I'm more sure, I am only going to FOS. There could be a tailor, there could be two cops, our results could have been randomized, we could've been redirected or bus driven...I have NO clue.

I suppose you guys could have been redirected. Heck, you could have been redirected NP1. Unfortunately, you chose not to visit Bossy, and with our watcher dead and ER confirmed cop, you leave town no choice.
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