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Beginners' Mafia 32.3: DP1

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11/12/2014 1:38:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1.Partial-claiming
- Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns
- Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected. Also, a complete list of possible roles can be found here: https://docs.google.com...

You know, I just can't wait for Christmas. I am already thinking of a gift to buy for YYW...something sexy (but in a subtle way), cute, and that he can use/look at often...but man, I can't wait.
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11/12/2014 1:39:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
LIVING PLAYERS

Honest
Vox
Uchiha
Harder
Nymph
Yama
Esocial
Rev
Khaos
XLAV

With 10 players remaining, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 12:00am, DDO time, on 11/14/14.


Good luck!
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11/12/2014 2:51:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 1:38:04 AM, bsh1 wrote:
You know, I just can't wait for Christmas. I am already thinking of a gift to buy for YYW...something sexy (but in a subtle way), cute, and that he can use/look at often...but man, I can't wait.

Lol. :D
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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11/12/2014 4:20:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 1:38:04 AM, bsh1 wrote:
You know, I just can't wait for Christmas. I am already thinking of a gift to buy for YYW...something sexy (but in a subtle way), cute, and that he can use/look at often...but man, I can't wait.

Ya silly goose.

Checklist for my idea for YYW's present:
-sexy (but in a subtle way) [check]
-cute [check]
-can use/look at often [check]

What is it? ===> bsh1. :P
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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11/12/2014 4:21:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Off to school, but let me be the first to:

JINGLE BELLS
JINGLE BELLS
FAT MAN BELLY SMELLS
(I can't remember the rest of the parody)
BATMAN SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING
LA DE DAA DEE DAAAAA
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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11/12/2014 4:28:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have extra class after school, so I'll be home around 7ish/ 8ish. Will give mah thoughts then bishes.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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11/12/2014 6:28:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 4:21:39 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Off to school, but let me be the first to:

JINGLE BELLS
JINGLE BELLS
FAT MAN BELLY SMELLS
(I can't remember the rest of the parody)
BATMAN SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING
LA DE DAA DEE DAAAAA

Well then.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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11/12/2014 10:45:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 10:37:49 AM, RevNge wrote:
I'm Innocent Child. SOP claim.

I don't think it is SOP to claim this.
What do you make of Nymph's absence?
Last time she was absent, she was scum. That is her meta. And, apparently, a meta can be established on one instance.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 10:47:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 10:45:18 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 10:37:49 AM, RevNge wrote:
I'm Innocent Child. SOP claim.

I don't think it is SOP to claim this.
Well, it's pretty much a mod-confirmed vanilla.
What do you make of Nymph's absence?
Meh. I wouldn't make too much of a fuss right now; it's just the beginning of the game.
Last time she was absent, she was scum. That is her meta. And, apparently, a meta can be established on one instance.
*shrugs* I was active last game and I turned out to be TP.

It's odd, but not suspicious. But is she online...?
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11/12/2014 11:00:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 10:47:49 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 11/12/2014 10:45:18 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 10:37:49 AM, RevNge wrote:
I'm Innocent Child. SOP claim.

I don't think it is SOP to claim this.
Well, it's pretty much a mod-confirmed vanilla.
What do you make of Nymph's absence?
Meh. I wouldn't make too much of a fuss right now; it's just the beginning of the game.
Last time she was absent, she was scum. That is her meta. And, apparently, a meta can be established on one instance.
*shrugs* I was active last game and I turned out to be TP.
Meta applies to a person, and this is largely me being an @ss, but not necessarily.
If Nymph is who I think she is, she don't play as scum much.

So, if she is an alt, her inactivity is scum.
If she is honest about herself, then of the two games she's played in, she was inactive in the second as scum. Further, she has explicitly stated that she didn't lie, so that means a meta can be drawn from one instance.

It's odd, but not suspicious. But is she online...?
given she responded to me about 30 minutes ago, and posted like two hours before that in the endgame thread, I'd say she has had plenty of time.

But, let's not delude ourselves. I have a vendetta against her, so I might not be the best person to read her.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 11:01:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 11:00:01 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

But, let's not delude ourselves. I have a vendetta against her, so I might not be the best person to read her.

And I take great joy out of pointing out her inconsistency, as I do all the egotistical loudmouth arrogant condescending players.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 11:01:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 10:22:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Well, I'm the star of many, many, many movies.
VTL Nymph

For not having posted yet.

Santa maybe?
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11/12/2014 11:02:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 11:01:46 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 11:00:01 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

But, let's not delude ourselves. I have a vendetta against her, so I might not be the best person to read her.

And I take great joy out of pointing out her inconsistency, as I do all the egotistical loudmouth arrogant condescending players.

XD
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11/12/2014 11:04:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 11:01:51 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 11/12/2014 10:22:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Well, I'm the star of many, many, many movies.
VTL Nymph

For not having posted yet.

Santa baby?
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 11:05:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 11:04:04 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 11:01:51 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 11/12/2014 10:22:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Well, I'm the star of many, many, many movies.
VTL Nymph

For not having posted yet.

Santa baby?

.______________________.

Wut.
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11/12/2014 11:08:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 11:05:55 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 11/12/2014 11:04:04 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 11:01:51 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 11/12/2014 10:22:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Well, I'm the star of many, many, many movies.
VTL Nymph

For not having posted yet.

Santa baby?

.______________________.

Wut.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 12:14:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 10:37:49 AM, RevNge wrote:
I'm Innocent Child. SOP claim.

Innocent Child should not be claimed unless you're about to be lynched. This was dumb.
Fill all my holes, please.

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: At 11/17/2014 9:30:55 AM, Wylted wrote:
: I killed Nymph because her reads were incredibly good. I thought it was a result of inside knowledge.
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11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?
Fill all my holes, please.

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: At 11/17/2014 9:30:55 AM, Wylted wrote:
: I killed Nymph because her reads were incredibly good. I thought it was a result of inside knowledge.
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11/12/2014 12:23:41 PM
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At 11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?

Would it matter? You don't know them.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 12:26:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 12:23:41 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?

Would it matter? You don't know them.

Classic Khaos. Won't answer questions.
Fill all my holes, please.

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: At 11/17/2014 9:30:55 AM, Wylted wrote:
: I killed Nymph because her reads were incredibly good. I thought it was a result of inside knowledge.
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11/12/2014 12:26:54 PM
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At 11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?

Oh, this also assumes that I claim to be great at the game, which I don't.
So, outside of your blind and misplaced hatred for me, what is the point of this question?
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 12:27:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 12:26:54 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?

Oh, this also assumes that I claim to be great at the game, which I don't.

So you admit you're bad at the game?
Fill all my holes, please.

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: At 11/17/2014 9:30:55 AM, Wylted wrote:
: I killed Nymph because her reads were incredibly good. I thought it was a result of inside knowledge.
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11/12/2014 12:35:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 12:27:31 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:26:54 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?

Oh, this also assumes that I claim to be great at the game, which I don't.

So you admit you're bad at the game?

I would hardly say I am bad. I am fair. A 6.5 out of ten. Could be better if we had better players, but better players like you run away from training noobs, leaving me to train them, and then complain about the play on the site.
Why are you asking me a pointless question of the opinions of people you don't know?
If I said they were good, you would have no idea.

Why don't you actually try to adhere to the charade of you being a new user?
What is this game of yours? Was it just to insult me under a new face?
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/12/2014 12:42:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 12:35:00 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:27:31 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:26:54 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?

Oh, this also assumes that I claim to be great at the game, which I don't.

So you admit you're bad at the game?

I would hardly say I am bad. I am fair. A 6.5 out of ten.

In other words, 45% of the player base is better than you. Good to know.

Could be better if we had better players, but better players like you run away from training noobs, leaving me to train them, and then complain about the play on the site.

You "could be better" if you had better players to train noobs? How does that work? I've put a huge effort into helping players get better in this week I've been on the site. I made a guide. I've explained to people exactly why certain actions are better than others. I've answered all theoretical questions about the game, including your theoretical questions. Have you learned from anything I've said? No. Instead, you've just tried to discredit me at every turn. In fact, you even insulted me for trying to help players.

To make this point clear, consider the following questions:
1. Did Khaos attack me for making a guide?
2. Did Khaos attack me for giving advice to new players?
3. Did Khaos try to discredit me?

The answer to all three questions is yes.

Why are you asking me a pointless question of the opinions of people you don't know?

Who is to say I don't know players here? I know the ones I've played with, possibly others. There are players here who play on mafiascum.

If I said they were good, you would have no idea.

I know people who would know.

Why don't you actually try to adhere to the charade of you being a new user?

I don't know what you're talking about.

What is this game of yours? Was it just to insult me under a new face?

No. It's to discredit you so that noobs don't learn the wrong ideas about the game. At the moment, they follow you just because they think you're experienced and good. You're experienced but not good. So better that they learn from someone both experienced and good.
Fill all my holes, please.

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: At 11/17/2014 9:30:55 AM, Wylted wrote:
: I killed Nymph because her reads were incredibly good. I thought it was a result of inside knowledge.
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11/12/2014 12:44:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/12/2014 12:26:46 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:23:41 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2014 12:22:07 PM, Nymphomaniac wrote:
Khaos, can you name a single good mafia player who thinks you're good at this game? Or who likes the way you play?

Would it matter? You don't know them.

Classic Khaos. Won't answer questions.

Not that you know them, but plenty of good players have said I am decent at this game and hold potential, and I think most, if not all of them, tolerate my play.
Especially Mikal. He says I am a great player live, just not that good on forums.
My work here is, finally, done.