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Beginners' Mafia 33.1: DP1

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11/17/2014 9:49:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Introduction to Mafia:

Mafia is a game of strategy and behavioral analysis that pits an uninformed majority (The Town) against an informed minority (The Mafia). All members of the Mafia know who they are and - by process of elimination - know who the members of the Town are. The mafia have their own shared PM where they can coordinate and discuss strategies. No member of the Town is given information about any other player; they must figure that out through the course of the game.

The game is divided into Day Phases (DP) and Night Phases (NP). Each DP will be conducted in a public thread created by me (such as this one). I will start each DP with a summary of actions performed the previous NP, a list of living and dead players, and other rules and notes. The DP is used by all players for open deliberation and is the only normal mechanism by which members of the Town can communicate with each other. It is the primary vehicle by which the members of the Town can eliminate their opposition: The Mafia. However, the Mafia are covertly part of this deliberation, and will try to disrupt or derail the plans of the Town, though in a way as not to reveal their affiliation.

During the DP, each player may cast a vote to lynch another player. The format is VTL Player Name. Unbolded votes do not count. To remove your vote from a player, simply Unvote. Alternatively, you may vote that no player be lynched that day with a vote to no-lynch, or VTNL. If a majority of the living players vote to have another player lynched, or vote that no one should be lynched, the DP will end with the death of that player (if applicable) and the NP will begin.

The NP is where players can utilize the abilities of any role they have been given. These will be detailed in PMs I create for each player. In addition, the members of the Mafia can elect to kill another player during the Night. The NP ends when all players have submitted their actions.

The object of the game for each faction (Town, Mafia) is to eliminate the other faction. As a short-cut, when the Mafia make up 50% or more of the living players, the game will end automatically, since they will be able to control the vote during the DP and can no longer be eliminated (under most circumstances). However, there is no such short-cut for the Town, and they must eliminate each member of the Mafia.

Terms, acronyms, and abbreviations:

Alignment - your status as Town, Mafia, or 3rd Party (anything not Town or Mafia).
Bandwagon - A "wagon" consists of the individuals voting for a person. Bandwagoning usually refers to hopping on such a wagon blindly or without clearly articulating your reasons.
BP - Bulletproof, a person immune to night kills.
Buddying - A tactic by mafia where they agree with or support towns people in an attempt to look innocent in return.
Bussing - When the mafia allow, or help, get one of their own members lynched, in order to look innocent in return, or to avoid suspicion.
Claim - Either Character Claim or Role Claim. This is a request to reveal this part of your Role.
Counter Claim - In most cases, roles are unique per game. A counter-claim is when one person challenges another person's role-claim by claiming the same role.
Fake Claim - Since your character or role can be indicative of your alignment, mafioso's usually invent fake claims to avoid suspicion. Can also be done by Towns-persons trying to perform some sort of gambit.
FOS - Finger of suspicion. Indicates that you suspect someone of being mafia, but usually not enough to place a vote on them.
Hammer - Placing the last vote on someone to get them lynched.
JK - Jailkeeper, a combination of doctor and roleblocker.
LYLO - Lynch or Lose, a situation where the towns-people only outnumber the mafia by 1. Since the mafia gets a kill at night and this would tie them with the town and earn them a win, it is necessary for the town to lynch a mafia in this situation or they lose.
Mod-kill - You break my rules - I kill you. I will also retroactively convert you into a survivor such that you can't even claim a win with your original faction.
MYLO - Mislynch and Lose, a situation where the towns-people outnumber the mafia by 2. A mislynch gives the mafia a free kill which, when combined with the mafia night kill, allows the mafia to win. Barring irrefutable results, MYLO generally results in no lynch, which merely leads to LYLO.
NK - night kill, any kill performed at night, though usually refers to the mafia night kill.
PM - Private message. Players are only permitted to create or talk in Private Messages set up by the mod.
PR - Power Role, a role with some ability, either passive or active. Towns people without a power role are referred to as "Vanillas" while mafiosos without a power role are referred to as "Goons"
RVS - Random Voting Stage. When there is no information to go on, but you need to get the game moving, generally you'll pressure someone randomly.
Scum - Anyone that is not aligned with the town.
Scum-tell - some trait, or "tell" that indicates a person may be scum.
Soft-claim - dropping hints, but not out-right claiming, to be a specific character or role.
SK - Serial Killer, a third party, night killing role.
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me. A subtle and complex type of psychology. You know I want to poison you. I serve us both glasses of wine. You think the poison is in the glass in front of you, but you know I know that's what you'd think, and so you realize the poison is actually in my glass, and I'm just waiting for your to drink from it instead.

Rules:

1. The only PMs you are allowed to use to talk about this game with other players are the PMs that I have specifically created for that purpose. Do not discuss the game in hangouts or other forum threads either.
2. You may not cut-and-paste from any game PM into the DP thread. You must always paraphrase. Simply replacing the occasional word with a synonym is not acceptable.
3. Do not use PM content or structure to confirm affiliation.
4. Be active (submit any Night actions in a timely matter and participate in DP discussions). I will replace people at my discretion in response to low or no activity. I will prompt you if your activity is low.
5. Excessive trolling will not be tolerated.
6. Excessive swearing and poor conduct will not be tolerated.
7. Do not post in the group PM; it is just for announcements from me.
8. Excessively long twilight periods (3 hour max limit) will not be tolerated. People posting after that will be warned. Do not post after the DP ends (i.e. the FINAL TALLY is posted).
9. Do not throw the game for an opposing faction or actively try to inhibit your own team from winning.
10. DPs will last until a majority vote has been reached or 48 hours has passed, whichever comes first. If the time-limit is reached, there will be no lynch.
11. NPs will last until everyone submits their night action or 24 hours has passed, whichever comes first. If the time-limit is reached, your action is forfeit.
12. Any DP or NP extensions will be announced by me in the DP thread; you may request extensions, but it is at my personal discretion whether to grant such requests.
13. All game related questions should be directed to me, via PM. You don't have to create a new PM, you may use your Role PM or mafia PM. If game related question are posted in the forum thread, please bold them.
14. Enforcement: Violations of rules 1, 2, and 3 will earn someone an automatic mod-kill. Violations of rules of rules 4 through 9 will result in warnings; you will receive 2 warnings and any further infractions thereafter will result in a mod-kill. Rules 8 through 12 are administrative, and are my responsibility as mod.
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11/17/2014 9:50:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Round 1:

This Round will introduce you to the concept and basics of Mafia, including Role Madness!

Set-Up:

The roles found in this game are from the following list and only from the following list:

Town Roles

Cop - Investigates Players' alignments
Dreamer - Learns players' alignments passively
Priest - Learns roles of players that visit him
Role Cop - Learns players' roles
Tracker - Learns who players visit
Watcher - Learns who visits a player
Oracle - Reveals a player's role upon death
Bodyguard - Redirects lethal actions to self
Bulletproof - Immune to night kills
Doctor - Prevents the deaths of players
Virgin - If lynched, prevents all deaths the following Night Phase
Bomb - If killed at night, kills his killer
Hunter - If lynched, may kill another player
Paranoid Gun Owner - Kills anyone that visits him at night
Super Saint - If lynched, kills whoever placed the last vote
Vigilante - May kill another player at night
Universal Backup - Assumes the role of the first Town player to die
Mimic - May copy another player's role
Roleblocker - May prevent another player from using their role
Innocent Child - Mod confirmed as a Townie during a certain Day phase
Vanilla - Has no role
Pacifist - Cannot place votes on people at L-1
Aesthetic - Isn't affected by nonlethal actions
Sidekick - Can redirect nonlethal actions from one player to themselves

Mafia Roles

Role Cop - Learns players' roles
Suicide Bomber - May kill another player during the day, dying in the process
Mimic - May copy another player's role
Scout - Learns who players visit
Lookout - Learns who visits a player
Redirector - May redirect actions from one player to another
Role Stealer - May steal another player role. The new role is permanent.

Other

Additionally, there is a maximum of only one of each role. However, if a role shows up in both the town and mafia lists (e.g. mimic) there can be both a town mimic and a mafia mimic in the game, though not 2 town mimics or 2 mafia mimics. Also, no townie can have a mafia role, and vice versa.

Roles have been generated randomly, and have been randomly assigned.
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11/17/2014 9:52:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
LIVING PLAYERS

Rev
Honest
Subutai
Carrie
MDTL
Yama
Harder
Airmax
XLAV
Wylted

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 10:00pm, DDO time, on 11/19/14.


Good luck!
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11/17/2014 10:17:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
VTL Honest_Knife

In the last beginners' mafia I played in, the town has hopelessly divided and apathetic (the former is understandable, but was the result of the latter). I simply want a soft claim from Honest_Knife to confirm he's going to be active. I'll unvote as soon as I get a soft claim from him.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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11/17/2014 10:28:00 PM
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VOTE COUNT

Honest (1/6) - Subutai
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11/17/2014 10:28:48 PM
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VOTE COUNT

Honest (1/6) - Subutai

(Hi. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm the co-mod and will be handling the vote count in 33.1)
F _ C K
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11/17/2014 10:30:18 PM
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I don't believe I've played with anyone in this game before, so I'll be kind of lost as far as play analysis goes - though I suppose that's typical of beginners games.

A claim from Honest_Knife seems as reasonable as any, so...

VTL Honest_Knife
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11/17/2014 10:30:48 PM
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At 11/17/2014 10:28:48 PM, Daltonian wrote:

(Hi. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm the co-mod and will be handling the vote count in 33.1)

I thought you were asleep. I love how in sync we were, lol.
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11/17/2014 10:40:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 10:30:18 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
I don't believe I've played with anyone in this game before, so I'll be kind of lost as far as play analysis goes - though I suppose that's typical of beginners games.

A claim from Honest_Knife seems as reasonable as any, so...

VTL Honest_Knife


SOP to lynch tyrants.

VTL Airmax

XD But in all seriousness, Honest is one of the most anti-Town players I've met, right up there with Yama, only a hell of a lot more inactive. Let's do it.

VTL Honest_Knife

Plus, he should always be honest because of his username. ;D
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11/17/2014 10:43:58 PM
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I think this is enough of votes on Honest_Knife. Let's give him a chance to claim before we unwittingly lynch him.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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11/17/2014 10:45:28 PM
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I have a different philosophy than you guys. Pressuring noobs causes NOOB slips. I'm looking to create scum slips.

VTL Yama
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11/17/2014 10:54:29 PM
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At 11/17/2014 10:45:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
I have a different philosophy than you guys. Pressuring noobs causes NOOB slips. I'm looking to create scum slips.

VTL Yama

Back in the days when I used to play mafia more, this was the SOP.

Pressuring the newest players for a claim was pretty much the rule, for the reason you stated. Newer players are far more likely to slip, thus it's worthwhile to force them to slip up.

The idea is very well explained by Danielle in this debate with F_16:

http://www.debate.org...

It seems though that the meta has changed a bit and noob pressure isn't exactly SOP anymore.

In any case, I have no idea who the newest players are here (I haven't heard of several of them) so I'll just go with pressuring whoever makes sense.

But "the noob rule" (pressuring noobs right away DP1) is still something I believe in.
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11/17/2014 10:59:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 10:54:29 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 11/17/2014 10:45:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
I have a different philosophy than you guys. Pressuring noobs causes NOOB slips. I'm looking to create scum slips.

VTL Yama

Back in the days when I used to play mafia more, this was the SOP.

Pressuring the newest players for a claim was pretty much the rule, for the reason you stated. Newer players are far more likely to slip, thus it's worthwhile to force them to slip up.

The idea is very well explained by Danielle in this debate with F_16:

http://www.debate.org...

It seems though that the meta has changed a bit and noob pressure isn't exactly SOP anymore.

In any case, I have no idea who the newest players are here (I haven't heard of several of them) so I'll just go with pressuring whoever makes sense.

But "the noob rule" (pressuring noobs right away DP1) is still something I believe in.

I saw a debate between Tuf and drafter (I think drafter) that made me think the sop of pressuring noobs was counterproductive.

He had a bunch of good points about how NOOB slips can look like scum slips plus thy don't know when they shouldn't be claiming and some other points that escape me right now. If I find the debate, I'll post it in this thread.
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11/17/2014 11:04:12 PM
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Copy and paste feature not working on my phone too well right now but it was a debate between Buddamoose and tuf where it was brought up.
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11/17/2014 11:08:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 10:59:00 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/17/2014 10:54:29 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 11/17/2014 10:45:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
I have a different philosophy than you guys. Pressuring noobs causes NOOB slips. I'm looking to create scum slips.

VTL Yama

Back in the days when I used to play mafia more, this was the SOP.

Pressuring the newest players for a claim was pretty much the rule, for the reason you stated. Newer players are far more likely to slip, thus it's worthwhile to force them to slip up.

The idea is very well explained by Danielle in this debate with F_16:

http://www.debate.org...

It seems though that the meta has changed a bit and noob pressure isn't exactly SOP anymore.

In any case, I have no idea who the newest players are here (I haven't heard of several of them) so I'll just go with pressuring whoever makes sense.

But "the noob rule" (pressuring noobs right away DP1) is still something I believe in.

I saw a debate between Tuf and drafter (I think drafter) that made me think the sop of pressuring noobs was counterproductive.

He had a bunch of good points about how NOOB slips can look like scum slips plus thy don't know when they shouldn't be claiming and some other points that escape me right now. If I find the debate, I'll post it in this thread.

I've heard those arguments (but if you find the debate be sure to link it) and it's why it's especially important to really distinguish between a "noob slip" and a "Scum slip". There's no real objective way to do that, but behavioral analysis after the fact can go a long way. I've dismissed plenty of odd/scummy behavior as simply the action/reaction of a new player - but there are plenty of times when that behavior is instead due to that player being scum. That distinction is rarely obvious, but it nonetheless can be useful.

I don't necessarily think that analysis should be the entirety of a case made against a player, but it's a reasonable facet of several elements used to make the case for a lynch.
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11/17/2014 11:08:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 11:04:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
Copy and paste feature not working on my phone too well right now but it was a debate between Buddamoose and tuf where it was brought up.

I think I recall that debate... I'll look it up
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11/18/2014 8:10:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/18/2014 5:46:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
I want Honest's claim, not because he's a noob, its because he is hardly active.

Pfft. Hardly anyone's active right now.
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11/18/2014 8:35:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/18/2014 8:10:17 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 11/18/2014 5:46:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
I want Honest's claim, not because he's a noob, its because he is hardly active.

Pfft. Hardly anyone's active right now.

I'm trying to, but I'm too busy imprisoning the je... I mean, building my country!
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11/18/2014 10:06:56 AM
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At 11/18/2014 8:35:56 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 11/18/2014 8:10:17 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 11/18/2014 5:46:23 AM, XLAV wrote:
I want Honest's claim, not because he's a noob, its because he is hardly active.

Pfft. Hardly anyone's active right now.

I'm trying to, but I'm too busy imprisoning the je... I mean, building my country!

LOL

It's okay, no shame in admitting it. :P
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11/18/2014 5:12:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/18/2014 3:55:34 PM, Daltonian wrote:
VOTE COUNT

Honest (4/6) - Subutai, Airmax, Rev, XLAV
Yama (1/6) - Wylted

VTL Honest
He just seems to Anti-town to trust...
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11/18/2014 5:49:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/18/2014 5:12:26 PM, MissDebateTeamLeader wrote:
At 11/18/2014 3:55:34 PM, Daltonian wrote:
VOTE COUNT

Honest (4/6) - Subutai, Airmax, Rev, XLAV
Yama (1/6) - Wylted

VTL Honest
He just seems to Anti-town to trust...
What reasoning is this?