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Beginner's Mafia 33.3: DP1

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12/9/2014 10:29:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1.Partial-claiming - Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns - Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected. Also, a complete list of possible roles can be found here: https://docs.google.com...

As the holiday season and the peak time of many modern religions approaches, I thought it perhaps appropriate to revisit some godly history..
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12/9/2014 10:29:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
LIVING PLAYERS

Khaos
Vox (rep. Honest)
Esocial
Harder
Subutai
Wylted
Yama
Rev
Carrie
XLAV

With 10 players remaining, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 10:00 PM, DDO time, on Thursday, December 11th, 2014.

Good luck!
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12/9/2014 10:33:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Mod Note: I am leaving for vacation Sunday, so if there is a lack of moderation and thus a crisis in the game, just PM bsh and hopefully he will resume control of things.
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12/10/2014 12:10:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm gonna go ahead and claim in full, to prevent it from causing havoc later. I'm Dionysus, the Drunk of the Gods and I'm the vanilla.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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12/10/2014 1:10:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Damnit. I'm caught already.
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12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV
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12/10/2014 6:55:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 12:10:22 AM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and claim in full, to prevent it from causing havoc later. I'm Dionysus, the Drunk of the Gods and I'm the vanilla.

Odd, I thought you'd be RB because you're a Drunk.
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12/10/2014 7:25:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV

VTL Harder!!

It should be obvious by now that when I died in NP1, its all Harder's fault! And I have enough of that bullsh*t!
Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife

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12/10/2014 7:49:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 7:25:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV

VTL Harder!!

It should be obvious by now that when I died in NP1, its all Harder's fault! And I have enough of that bullsh*t!

I'm VTLing as hard as I can!!!!
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12/10/2014 7:58:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 6:55:50 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:10:22 AM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and claim in full, to prevent it from causing havoc later. I'm Dionysus, the Drunk of the Gods and I'm the vanilla.

Odd, I thought you'd be RB because you're a Drunk.

Nope. Apparently I'm too drunk to be of any use.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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12/10/2014 8:10:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 7:25:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV

VTL Harder!!

It should be obvious by now that when I died in NP1, its all Harder's fault! And I have enough of that bullsh*t!

You are basing your actions off of previous mafia games? Why? Those were different games and are in the past, we're trying to focus on the hear and now.
To all the people fighting a hard battle out there - life's giving you a pretty hard beating. There's no sugarcoating that, but there's no shadow that's free of light. When life sneers at you and asks, "Ready to go again?" - Raise your hand. Reach out to victory. Don't give in.

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12/10/2014 8:25:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:10:57 AM, carriead20 wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:25:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV

VTL Harder!!

It should be obvious by now that when I died in NP1, its all Harder's fault! And I have enough of that bullsh*t!

You are basing your actions off of previous mafia games? Why? Those were different games and are in the past, we're trying to focus on the hear and now.

Because I'm tired of dying. Its pretty obvious that I always get picked to die first when Harder is scum. So I want to be sure if hes scum or not. Besides, I only want his character, thats it.
Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife

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12/10/2014 8:26:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 12:10:22 AM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and claim in full, to prevent it from causing havoc later. I'm Dionysus, the Drunk of the Gods and I'm the vanilla.

Why did you claim?
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12/10/2014 8:27:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 6:55:50 AM, RevNge wrote:
You! Help me pressure Harder!
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12/10/2014 8:33:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:27:11 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 6:55:50 AM, RevNge wrote:
You! Help me pressure Harder!

I'll help!!!
VTL XLAV

Did I do it right?
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/10/2014 8:35:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:33:41 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:27:11 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 6:55:50 AM, RevNge wrote:
You! Help me pressure Harder!

I'll help!!!
VTL XLAV

Did I do it right?

No! not me! Harder!!!!!!!!
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12/10/2014 8:36:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 1:10:54 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
You! Character claim!
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12/10/2014 8:36:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:35:50 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:33:41 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:27:11 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 6:55:50 AM, RevNge wrote:
You! Help me pressure Harder!

I'll help!!!
VTL XLAV

Did I do it right?

No! not me! Harder!!!!!!!!

I'll try Harder.
Unvote VTL XLAV

I'm helping!!!!
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/10/2014 8:37:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 12:10:22 AM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and claim in full, to prevent it from causing havoc later. I'm Dionysus, the Drunk of the Gods and I'm the vanilla.

Why did you character claim?
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/10/2014 8:38:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:36:34 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

I'll try Harder.
Unvote VTL XLAV

I'm helping!!!!

Omg!! I said Harder! not harder!
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12/10/2014 8:40:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:25:53 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:10:57 AM, carriead20 wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:25:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV

VTL Harder!!

It should be obvious by now that when I died in NP1, its all Harder's fault! And I have enough of that bullsh*t!

You are basing your actions off of previous mafia games? Why? Those were different games and are in the past, we're trying to focus on the here and now.

Because I'm tired of dying. Its pretty obvious that I always get picked to die first when Harder is scum. So I want to be sure if hes scum or not. Besides, I only want his character, thats it.

Not good enough a reason to base it off of previous games.

VTL XLAV
To all the people fighting a hard battle out there - life's giving you a pretty hard beating. There's no sugarcoating that, but there's no shadow that's free of light. When life sneers at you and asks, "Ready to go again?" - Raise your hand. Reach out to victory. Don't give in.

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http://www.gofundme.com...
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12/10/2014 8:40:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:38:05 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:36:34 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

I'll try Harder.
Unvote VTL XLAV

I'm helping!!!!

Omg!! I said Harder! not harder!

Yeah, I'm aware of what I am doing, and, more importantly, I am aware of what you are doing.
It is anti-town, so you should claim.
My work here is, finally, done.
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12/10/2014 8:42:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Having seen XLAV's playing style recently, it's way too aggressive. When she's town, she acts anti-town. You can't base your analysis on previous games. In all likelihood, considering he was mafia in 33.1 and 33.2, it makes him very unlikely to be mafia this game. It's in your best interest to claim. I feel like you have enough pressure, so I'll hold off on a vote depending on what you do.
Lying on the hill, crawling over the windowsill into your living room, they stare out, glass-eyed aimless heads, bodies torn by vultures. You are the man whose hands are rank with the smell of death. - Peter Hammill, "The Emperor in His War Room"
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12/10/2014 8:45:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:42:30 AM, Subutai wrote:
Having seen XLAV's playing style recently, it's way too aggressive. When she's town, she acts anti-town. You can't base your analysis on previous games. In all likelihood, considering he was mafia in 33.1 and 33.2, it makes him very unlikely to be mafia this game. It's in your best interest to claim. I feel like you have enough pressure, so I'll hold off on a vote depending on what you do.

Nope. I wont claim lol.

Also, the roles were randomized, meaning Harder can be scum three games in a row!
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12/10/2014 8:46:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:40:18 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:38:05 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:36:34 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:

I'll try Harder.
Unvote VTL XLAV

I'm helping!!!!

Omg!! I said Harder! not harder!

Yeah, I'm aware of what I am doing, and, more importantly, I am aware of what you are doing.
It is anti-town, so you should claim.
You're anti-town!
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12/10/2014 8:47:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:40:06 AM, carriead20 wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:25:53 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:10:57 AM, carriead20 wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:25:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV

VTL Harder!!

It should be obvious by now that when I died in NP1, its all Harder's fault! And I have enough of that bullsh*t!

You are basing your actions off of previous mafia games? Why? Those were different games and are in the past, we're trying to focus on the here and now.

Because I'm tired of dying. Its pretty obvious that I always get picked to die first when Harder is scum. So I want to be sure if hes scum or not. Besides, I only want his character, thats it.

Not good enough a reason to base it off of previous games.

VTL XLAV

And whats the good reason to vtl me? Lol. Jumping on bandwaggons at its finest.
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12/10/2014 8:52:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:47:52 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:40:06 AM, carriead20 wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:25:53 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:10:57 AM, carriead20 wrote:
At 12/10/2014 7:25:19 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 5:49:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/10/2014 12:46:16 AM, XLAV wrote:
VTLHarder

I have enough of your NP1 NKs!!

Lol

Also this seems like some contrived non chalance.

VTL XLAV

VTL Harder!!

It should be obvious by now that when I died in NP1, its all Harder's fault! And I have enough of that bullsh*t!

You are basing your actions off of previous mafia games? Why? Those were different games and are in the past, we're trying to focus on the here and now.

Because I'm tired of dying. Its pretty obvious that I always get picked to die first when Harder is scum. So I want to be sure if hes scum or not. Besides, I only want his character, thats it.

Not good enough a reason to base it off of previous games.

VTL XLAV

And whats the good reason to vtl me? Lol. Jumping on bandwaggons at its finest.

You are being aggressive and basing your VTL off of previous games.
To all the people fighting a hard battle out there - life's giving you a pretty hard beating. There's no sugarcoating that, but there's no shadow that's free of light. When life sneers at you and asks, "Ready to go again?" - Raise your hand. Reach out to victory. Don't give in.

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http://www.gofundme.com...
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12/10/2014 8:53:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:45:41 AM, XLAV wrote:
At 12/10/2014 8:42:30 AM, Subutai wrote:
Having seen XLAV's playing style recently, it's way too aggressive. When she's town, she acts anti-town. You can't base your analysis on previous games. In all likelihood, considering he was mafia in 33.1 and 33.2, it makes him very unlikely to be mafia this game. It's in your best interest to claim. I feel like you have enough pressure, so I'll hold off on a vote depending on what you do.

Nope. I wont claim lol.

Also, the roles were randomized, meaning Harder can be scum three games in a row!

VTL XLAV Claim. Now.

And I never said that he couldn't. I just said that it was statistically very unlikely that he would.
Lying on the hill, crawling over the windowsill into your living room, they stare out, glass-eyed aimless heads, bodies torn by vultures. You are the man whose hands are rank with the smell of death. - Peter Hammill, "The Emperor in His War Room"
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12/10/2014 8:55:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/10/2014 8:52:37 AM, carriead20 wrote:

You are being aggressive and basing your VTL off of previous games.

What is wrong with being aggressive? What is wrong with basing my VTL off of previous games when it is clear Harder always performs the NK on me every NP1?
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