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RevNge
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1/2/2015 5:28:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
LYNCHED LAST DP

Khaos - You are vanilla. You have no role. You win with the town.

DIED IN THE NIGHT

Subutai - You are the aesthetic. You are not affected by nonlethal actions. You win with the town.

LIVING PLAYERS

Nivek
That1User
Ore_Ele
Headphonegut
Ashkan/Medic

With 5 players left, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 6:00PM, DDO time, on 01/04/14.

Happy (no/mis)lynchings!
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1/2/2015 5:31:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
There are five players left in this DP, 3 town and 2 scum. If we mislynch, we lose. Thus it is the best course of action to have this DP to go on as long as possible and to only lynch at the ending of this DP.
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"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire
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1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?
"Our life is what our thoughts make it."
R13; Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire
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1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.
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1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?
"Our life is what our thoughts make it."
R13; Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire
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1/2/2015 5:57:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net...
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1/2/2015 6:01:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?

I investigated Nivek and he was innocent, that doesn't mean he is though.
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1/2/2015 6:03:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 6:01:11 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?

I investigated Nivek and he was innocent, that doesn't mean he is though.

The guilty results were actually innocent, maybe the innocent result is actually guilty. Nevertheless, your results are unrealiable. I have two questions: Why did you investigate Nivek over me and who do you think is guilty?
"Our life is what our thoughts make it."
R13; Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire
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1/2/2015 6:12:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Because of the visionary person, we know that we have at least 1 mafia in That1User and Nivek. I believe that1user is the scum because the mod mistake last DP pretty much confirmed Nivek. However, it only takes 3 votes to lynch and with 2 mafia, a single mis-vote could cost the game. So no body bold your votes until we know what we want to do. I do suggest taking full advantage of the time we have to vet everyone else.

Since Nivek is pretty much mod confirmed, that would leave the last mafia as me, ashkan, or head. Unless we want to discuss That1user first, I think we should focus our discussion around us.
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1/2/2015 6:19:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm going to be going back through the previous DPs (after my debate round).
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1/2/2015 6:19:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 6:03:38 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:01:11 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?

I investigated Nivek and he was innocent, that doesn't mean he is though.

The guilty results were actually innocent, maybe the innocent result is actually guilty. Nevertheless, your results are unrealiable. I have two questions: Why did you investigate Nivek over me and who do you think is guilty?

I picked him because you didn't seem scummy, I think that he is guilty.
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1/2/2015 6:44:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 6:19:58 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:03:38 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:01:11 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?

I investigated Nivek and he was innocent, that doesn't mean he is though.

The guilty results were actually innocent, maybe the innocent result is actually guilty. Nevertheless, your results are unrealiable. I have two questions: Why did you investigate Nivek over me and who do you think is guilty?

I picked him because you didn't seem scummy, I think that he is guilty.

What do you think of the other players: HPG and Ore? Which one do you think is a scum partner?
"Our life is what our thoughts make it."
R13; Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire
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1/2/2015 7:30:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 6:44:17 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:19:58 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:03:38 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:01:11 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?

I investigated Nivek and he was innocent, that doesn't mean he is though.

The guilty results were actually innocent, maybe the innocent result is actually guilty. Nevertheless, your results are unrealiable. I have two questions: Why did you investigate Nivek over me and who do you think is guilty?

I picked him because you didn't seem scummy, I think that he is guilty.

What do you think of the other players: HPG and Ore? Which one do you think is a scum partner?

HPG, he seems to avoid questions.
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1/2/2015 7:33:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 6:19:58 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:03:38 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:01:11 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?

I investigated Nivek and he was innocent, that doesn't mean he is though.

The guilty results were actually innocent, maybe the innocent result is actually guilty. Nevertheless, your results are unrealiable. I have two questions: Why did you investigate Nivek over me and who do you think is guilty?

I picked him because you didn't seem scummy, I think that he is guilty.

Why would you think that? After he was supposedly caught lying about his role (he would have known that someone visited him but didn't), the mod admitted that he made a mistake in regards to Nivek's role. The mod would never say something like that to cover for a mafia that was caught lying, so that must confirm Nivek's role, which on the role list is only a town role.
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1/2/2015 7:45:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/30/2014 12:41:36 AM, headphonegut wrote:
At 12/30/2014 12:21:27 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 12/29/2014 10:44:32 PM, That1User wrote:
Anaylsis:
Nivek- You were in Medic's dream and thus you are a potential scum suspect. 2/7 of the town have already voted for you, and you need 2 more votes to be lynched, only further adding to the scum read.
Khaos- You were in Medic's dream too and thus you are also a pontential scum suspect. Ashkan, the cop, also found you guilty. While the cop was redirected last game, cop's guilty and you being in Medic's dream only adds to the probability of you being scum.
Subutai- I read you as town. You only have two posts this DP and you have contributed to town significantly. You also seem towny in previous DPs.
Ore_Ele-I also read you as town. Your analysis in DP1 was significantly productive.
Headphonegut- I originally read you as town. Your recent suspicious posts, however, are leaning scum.
Ashkan- You are comfirmed town as you are cop.

Summary:
Nivek-Scum
Khaos-Scum
Subutai-Town
Ore_Ele-Town
HPG-Iffy (Scum)
Ashkan-Comfirmed town.

Since the scum team cannot be Khaos/Nivek it is either Khaos/HPG or Nivek/HPG.

In conclusion, I VTL Khaos since Khaos was not only in Medic's dream, but also was found guilty by the cop, which combined together makes Khaos more likely scum than Nivek. If Nivek gets one more vote, however, I am willing to unvote and change my vote to Nivek in order to hammer Nivek.

I'm not going to say what I think of this at this moment, but I really want to hear what HPG and Khaos think of this.

it makes me wonder why khaos was insisting on Ashkahns result. < mostly that.

otherwise I don't think it makes khaos more likely scum or more likely town for that matter. There's a lot of confbias in there as it assumes khaos scum from the get go. The only thing relevant is the dream, their individual play, and nothing else.

Also his willingness to hammer Nivek no me gusta, but it makes him look more town to me.

This is from the last DP and it really makes Head look to buddy up with That1user. I intentionally did not analysis it at the time to see who would buddy up to it.

That1user's reasonings were poor in this. He attacks Khaos because there was a guilty on him, even though at the time, we KNEW that the cop results could not be trusted because of a previous redirect. He then says that he is willing to hammer Nivek. Saying "I think this other guy is scum but I'm willing to hammer this guy that I don't think is scum" shows that he is more interested in lynching a townie, rather than scum hunting.

On top of that, he says this regarding Subutai. "Subutai- I read you as town. You only have two posts this DP and you have contributed to town significantly. You also seem towny in previous DPs."

What has Subutai down that was townie? He had lurked the entire game, cast an un-educated vote that outed the cop (which has directly led to the cop, and town by extension, being manipulated by the mafia). He has not contributed to scum hunting and honestly, I'm really surprised that he was killed last night.

All of this shows poor reads and just excuses to seem active. However, the worst part is, that HPG read this and say "looks good to me." and town read him for it.

I'm saying That1User and HPG are our mafia.
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1/2/2015 8:04:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 7:33:56 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:19:58 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:03:38 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 6:01:11 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:57:24 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:56:44 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:44:18 PM, That1User wrote:
At 1/2/2015 5:40:39 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

Ashkan and Medic are now hydras, if you haven't noticed already.

What's a hydra?

If I get killed 2 more will take my place.

jk.

Ashkan, what are your results?

I investigated Nivek and he was innocent, that doesn't mean he is though.

The guilty results were actually innocent, maybe the innocent result is actually guilty. Nevertheless, your results are unrealiable. I have two questions: Why did you investigate Nivek over me and who do you think is guilty?

I picked him because you didn't seem scummy, I think that he is guilty.

Why would you think that? After he was supposedly caught lying about his role (he would have known that someone visited him but didn't), the mod admitted that he made a mistake in regards to Nivek's role. The mod would never say something like that to cover for a mafia that was caught lying, so that must confirm Nivek's role, which on the role list is only a town role.

I did not realize that.
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1/2/2015 8:10:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 8:04:10 PM, ashkan wrote:
I did not realize that.

This was it. Granted, it is not a direct confirmation, but I don't see any reasoning the mod would do that if Nivek was scum lying about his role. If you can think of one reasonable reason, please share.

At 12/30/2014 5:18:01 PM, RevNge wrote:
Mod Note:

I will only say this in case if Nivek fails to participate before the DP ends, but I confirm that there has been a mod-error in his role PM.
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1/2/2015 8:28:15 PM
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if Nivek ever decides to post he can confirm my role so I will abstain from saying it until he does (if ever). or I can say it and he can confirm it. I much prefer the latter as im fairly certain. We all agree Ashkahn and Nivek are clear. Leaving the dreamer note as that1user being scum. And it being left between myself and oreEle. OreEle distinctly said at the first day phase his "theory" about their being a definite mafia in the designated experienced players. The only experienced player left is him. He was not only sure but confident about this. I thank oreEle for not killing Nivek. so he can confirm my role (if he ever does). So we don't need to consider that1user as worthy of conversation. The clears must decide who is town. Although with a clear having the ability to confirm one of the non cleareds role (myself). Then it will be very very easy as to whom the other scum is (oreEle). You all should ask oreEle for his role if he hasn't already said it. No need to hide anymore.
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1/2/2015 8:29:39 PM
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wait I just forgot about Subutai...oh well he should claim too.
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1/2/2015 8:33:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 8:29:39 PM, headphonegut wrote:
wait I just forgot about Subutai...oh well he should claim too.

DIED IN THE NIGHT

Subutai - You are the aesthetic. You are not affected by nonlethal actions. You win with the town.
"Our life is what our thoughts make it."
R13; Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire
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1/2/2015 8:37:25 PM
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wait nvm that guy is dead. okay am fvcking confused atm. gimme a second

...calculating differences...
...checking iphone for tinder updates...
...determining quantum loop theory...

Okay okay I am okay with claiming. I know what happened last np. tha1user was used to carry out the kill. And oreEle has as he always has done redirected Ashkahn. I am the tracker last np I tracked oreEle to Ashkahn/medic. Nivek can confirm that I am the tracker.
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1/2/2015 8:41:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 6:12:25 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Because of the visionary person, we know that we have at least 1 mafia in That1User and Nivek. I believe that1user is the scum because the mod mistake last DP pretty much confirmed Nivek. However, it only takes 3 votes to lynch and with 2 mafia, a single mis-vote could cost the game. So no body bold your votes until we know what we want to do. I do suggest taking full advantage of the time we have to vet everyone else.

Since Nivek is pretty much mod confirmed, that would leave the last mafia as me, ashkan, or head. Unless we want to discuss That1user first, I think we should focus our discussion around us.

oh my you just made a terrible mistake. Yesterday you basically called Ashkahn clear what happened?
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1/2/2015 9:35:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 8:37:25 PM, headphonegut wrote:
Okay okay I am okay with claiming. I know what happened last np. tha1user was used to carry out the kill. And oreEle has as he always has done redirected Ashkahn. I am the tracker last np I tracked oreEle to Ashkahn/medic. Nivek can confirm that I am the tracker.


Correct. 100% Correct. Thats exactly the result I have that night.
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1/2/2015 9:52:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/2/2015 9:35:42 PM, Nivek wrote:
At 1/2/2015 8:37:25 PM, headphonegut wrote:
Okay okay I am okay with claiming. I know what happened last np. tha1user was used to carry out the kill. And oreEle has as he always has done redirected Ashkahn. I am the tracker last np I tracked oreEle to Ashkahn/medic. Nivek can confirm that I am the tracker.


Correct. 100% Correct. Thats exactly the result I have that night.

that's gg.
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1/2/2015 9:59:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Use Action on Ashkan
"Our life is what our thoughts make it."
R13; Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire
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1/2/2015 10:00:49 PM
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Activate Ability on Ashkan
"Our life is what our thoughts make it."
R13; Marcus Aurelius
"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love." -Marcus Aurelius
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. "-Voltaire