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Beginner's Mafia 34.2: DP1

RevNge
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1/3/2015 3:23:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
INTRODUCTION - Third Parties and Misinformation

So far you've only been playing with two parties: The Town and Mafia. This game we will introduce Third Parties. These parties are in it for themselves. They are anti-town AND anti-mafia. Depending on the game and the mod, third parties win by themselves, when certain conditions are met, or can win with either the Town or the Mafia.

This game also introduces the concept of flavors. Flavors are the adjectives of Mafia, altering how roles work. Here are some common flavors:

Even/Odd - Roles with these modifiers can only work on Even or Odd-numbered Night Phases
X-Shot - Roles with these modifiers can only be used X number of times.

(these flavors are usually made known to the player.)

Paranoid - For Cops and other investigative roles, they receive all Guilty-type results. For Doctors, they role-block their target.
Naive - For Cops and other investigative roles, they receive all innocent-type results. For Doctors and other non-investigative roles, they do nothing.
Insane - For Cops, they receive results opposite of the truth

(these flavors may be concealed from the player by the mod(s).)
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1/3/2015 3:24:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
SET-UP

The roles found in this game are from the following list and only from the following list:

TOWN

Cop - Investigates Players' alignments
Dreamer - Learns players' alignments passively
Priest - Learns roles of players that visit him
Role Cop - Learns players' roles
Tracker - Learns who players visit
Watcher - Learns who visits a player
Oracle - Reveals a player's role upon death
Coroner - Can learn the affiliation and role of a dead player.
Bodyguard - Redirects lethal actions to self
Bulletproof - Immune to night kills
Doctor - Prevents the deaths of players
Virgin - If lynched, prevents all deaths the following Night Phase
Ascetic - Cannot be targeted by non-lethal actions.
Commuter - Cannot be targeted at night.
Sidekick - Redirects non-lethal actions from another player to himself.
Bomb - If killed at night, kills his killer
Hunter - If lynched, may kill another player
Paranoid Gun Owner - Kills anyone that visits him at night
Super Saint - If lynched, kills whoever placed the last vote
Vigilante - May kill another player at night
Universal Backup - Assumes the role of the first Town player to die
Mimic - May copy another player's role
Roleblocker - May prevent another player from using their role
Innocent Child - Mod confirmed as a Townie during a certain Day Phase
Vanilla - Has no role
Jack of All Trades (JOAT) - has 1x: Cop, Doctor, Vigilante
Pacifist - may not place votes on people at L-1

MAFIA

Role Cop - Learns players' roles
Suicide Bomber - May kill another player during the day, dying in the process
Mimic - May copy another player's role
Scout - Learns who players visit
Lookout - Learns who visits a player
Role Stealer- Can permanently steal and use another player's role.
Ascetic - Same as Town.
Bus Driver - Switches the actions performed on two players.
Jack of All Trades (JOAT) - has 1x: Role Cop, Role Block, Frame
Commuter - Same as Town.
Framer - Can make another player investigate as non-Town to sane (non-flavored) investigative roles.
Rolestopper - Can make another player immune to non-lethal actions.
Godfather - Investigates as Town to sane (non-flavored) investigative roles.
Janitor - Can choose to hide the role and affiliation of a killed
player.
Lawyer - Can make another player investigate as Town to sane (non-flavored) investigative roles.
Ninja - Does not appear on tracker/watcher reports.
Redirector - Can change another player's intended target.
Roleblocker - Prevents the use of another player's role.

THIRD-PARTY

Serial Killer - Each night may kill another player. Wins when all other players are dead (joint win not possible).
Survivor - Wins by surviving until another faction achieves its win condition (a joint win may be possible).
RevNge
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1/3/2015 3:25:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
LIVING PLAYERS

Yama
Harder/XLAV
Wylted
Nivek
That1User/ESocialBookworm
Khaos
Subutai
Ore_Ele
HPG
Medic
Ashkan

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 4:00pm, DDO time, on 01/05/14.

Good luck!
KhaosMage
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1/3/2015 3:56:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This game likely has an third party and a scum team of two.

Anything anyone wants to get off their chest right away?
Subutai
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1/3/2015 4:05:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Two new hydras?

Anyway, I agree with Khaos's initial ratio, especially if the TP is an SK.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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1/3/2015 4:07:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Vote me 'till I'm at L-1

Kill anyone who "accidentally" hammers me.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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1/3/2015 4:09:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:07:47 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Vote me 'till I'm at L-1

Kill anyone who "accidentally" hammers me.

War of the roses, again?
YamaVonKarma
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1/3/2015 4:11:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:09:26 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:07:47 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Vote me 'till I'm at L-1

Kill anyone who "accidentally" hammers me.

War of the roses, again?

Yep. Hence my order.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
headphonegut
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1/3/2015 4:11:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 3:56:35 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
This game likely has an third party and a scum team of two.

Anything anyone wants to get off their chest right away?

VTL Khaos

Inside knowledge much? obv scum.
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1/3/2015 4:12:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:11:30 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 1/3/2015 3:56:35 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
This game likely has an third party and a scum team of two.

Anything anyone wants to get off their chest right away?

VTL Khaos

Inside knowledge much? obv scum.

Standard game set-up for the second game.
Feel free to check past games, or even the fact that I said there was three mafia last game (and was town).
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1/3/2015 4:13:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:11:03 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Yama is town, and can prove his role at his leisure.
There is no need to do it now.

I'm interested in why HPG thinks I am scum, but not Subatai for agreeing with me.
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1/3/2015 4:14:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
User, Khaos, Ore, and head.

Soft claim in this order.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Subutai
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1/3/2015 4:14:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:11:30 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 1/3/2015 3:56:35 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
This game likely has an third party and a scum team of two.

Anything anyone wants to get off their chest right away?

VTL Khaos

Inside knowledge much? obv scum.

First, it's an estimate. And two, this is a basic setup. There's definitely just one TP, and 9-1-1 is too easy for town, and 7-3-1 is too easy for mafia, so it's probably 8-2-1.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
Subutai
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1/3/2015 4:16:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Also, Yama, do you remember Khaos's rule that mafia tends to kill the ones that are confirmed town? If you really are the pacifist, then it's best to wait later, like when we have another beginner's mafia 33.3 situation.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
YamaVonKarma
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1/3/2015 4:17:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
User has until 8 pm EST to soft claim or I say we lynch him. He is not skilled enough to craft a fake claim quickly.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
YamaVonKarma
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1/3/2015 4:18:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:16:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
Also, Yama, do you remember Khaos's rule that mafia tends to kill the ones that are confirmed town? If you really are the pacifist, then it's best to wait later, like when we have another beginner's mafia 33.3 situation.

Sub, do I really have to explain why I'd want myself nk'd DP one?
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Subutai
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1/3/2015 4:19:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:18:11 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:16:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
Also, Yama, do you remember Khaos's rule that mafia tends to kill the ones that are confirmed town? If you really are the pacifist, then it's best to wait later, like when we have another beginner's mafia 33.3 situation.

Sub, do I really have to explain why I'd want myself nk'd DP one?

Your role is unimportant, but you can be confirmed town, and this is an asset for those unconfirmed town to make a scum lynch.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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1/3/2015 4:21:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:19:13 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:18:11 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:16:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
Also, Yama, do you remember Khaos's rule that mafia tends to kill the ones that are confirmed town? If you really are the pacifist, then it's best to wait later, like when we have another beginner's mafia 33.3 situation.

Sub, do I really have to explain why I'd want myself nk'd DP one?

Your role is unimportant, but you can be confirmed town, and this is an asset for those unconfirmed town to make a scum lynch.

Who do you think a soft claim should be coerced from? Or do you agree with my list?
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Ore_Ele
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1/3/2015 4:21:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:14:01 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
User, Khaos, Ore, and head.

Soft claim in this order.

What for? Or I should say, why us? Also, I believe in our previous mafia thread, you said that you were probably gonna policy lynch me right off the bat for conceding at the end of the last game and not trying to fight my way out.
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1/3/2015 4:21:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:21:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:19:13 PM, Subutai wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:18:11 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:16:04 PM, Subutai wrote:
Also, Yama, do you remember Khaos's rule that mafia tends to kill the ones that are confirmed town? If you really are the pacifist, then it's best to wait later, like when we have another beginner's mafia 33.3 situation.

Sub, do I really have to explain why I'd want myself nk'd DP one?

Your role is unimportant, but you can be confirmed town, and this is an asset for those unconfirmed town to make a scum lynch.

Who do you think a soft claim should be coerced from? Or do you agree with my list?

Your list seems as good as any.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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1/3/2015 4:22:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:21:16 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:14:01 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
User, Khaos, Ore, and head.

Soft claim in this order.

What for? Or I should say, why us? Also, I believe in our previous mafia thread, you said that you were probably gonna policy lynch me right off the bat for conceding at the end of the last game and not trying to fight my way out.

I'll admit that I am very tempted to policy lynch you out of spite.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Ore_Ele
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1/3/2015 4:23:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 3:56:35 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
This game likely has an third party and a scum team of two.

Anything anyone wants to get off their chest right away?

Depends on what the third party is. If the TP is only a survivor, I would think that 8-2-1 would be a pain in the arse for scum since survivor is not necessarily anti-town. However, if the TP is serial killer, than perhaps (even then, I would think 2 would be low, pending their roles).
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1/3/2015 4:24:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 3:35:31 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who's decision was if to NK me?

I believe it was mine.
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1/3/2015 4:25:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:23:13 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 3:56:35 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
This game likely has an third party and a scum team of two.

Anything anyone wants to get off their chest right away?

Depends on what the third party is. If the TP is only a survivor, I would think that 8-2-1 would be a pain in the arse for scum since survivor is not necessarily anti-town. However, if the TP is serial killer, than perhaps (even then, I would think 2 would be low, pending their roles).

This is the common ratio for game two of the beginner series. I have yet to see deviation from it.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Ore_Ele
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1/3/2015 4:25:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:22:29 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:21:16 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:14:01 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
User, Khaos, Ore, and head.

Soft claim in this order.

What for? Or I should say, why us? Also, I believe in our previous mafia thread, you said that you were probably gonna policy lynch me right off the bat for conceding at the end of the last game and not trying to fight my way out.

I'll admit that I am very tempted to policy lynch you out of spite.

You are welcome to try.
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1/3/2015 4:25:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:24:04 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 3:35:31 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who's decision was if to NK me?

I believe it was mine.

Ok

VTL Ore
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1/3/2015 4:26:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:25:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:22:29 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:21:16 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:14:01 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
User, Khaos, Ore, and head.

Soft claim in this order.

What for? Or I should say, why us? Also, I believe in our previous mafia thread, you said that you were probably gonna policy lynch me right off the bat for conceding at the end of the last game and not trying to fight my way out.

I'll admit that I am very tempted to policy lynch you out of spite.

You are welcome to try.

It won't be a try, I am giving you a simple choice. Cooperate with us or die.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
YamaVonKarma
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1/3/2015 4:27:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:25:30 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:24:04 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 3:35:31 PM, Wylted wrote:
Who's decision was if to NK me?

I believe it was mine.

Ok

VTL Ore

Reasoning?
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Ore_Ele
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1/3/2015 4:28:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 4:26:21 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:25:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:22:29 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:21:16 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/3/2015 4:14:01 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
User, Khaos, Ore, and head.

Soft claim in this order.

What for? Or I should say, why us? Also, I believe in our previous mafia thread, you said that you were probably gonna policy lynch me right off the bat for conceding at the end of the last game and not trying to fight my way out.

I'll admit that I am very tempted to policy lynch you out of spite.

You are welcome to try.

It won't be a try, I am giving you a simple choice. Cooperate with us or die.

I'd prefer to cooperate with the town, or at least pro-town reasoning. If you lack that, you won't get my cooperation. As such, policy lynching because you do not like how I ended last game is not pro-town and so I will not be cooperating with that line of reasoning.
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