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Beginners' Mafia 34.3: DP1

bsh1
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1/12/2015 5:56:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
INTRODUCTION

The essence of DDO Mafia is the themed game. Almost all games on mafia are themed games. A themed game introduces new elements (and sometimes new mechanics) that add complexity and (hopefully) fun to the game.

In addition to an alignment and a role, players are also given characters that fit in with the theme. The roles almost (but not always or necessarily) fit with the character. This can be expressed in a number of ways. For example, if the theme is a TV show or movie, and your character is a cop, officer, or policeman, he might very will have the Mafia role of "Cop" due to the similarity in profession, if not function. Alternatively, if the character isn't such an occupation, but is otherwise good at discerning between good and evil, they might also be a "Cop" due to the similarity in function, if not profession.

Themes are limited only by the imagination. Most have to do with some form of media, such as TV shows, Literature, and Movies. Others are more abstract, like philosophies or politics. Literally anything can be a theme.

As said, themes add new elements to the game, which are summarized as follows:

1.Partial-claiming - Role-claiming can be dangerous for Townies to do, as it helps mafia decide who they need to kill. Instead of role-claiming, you can character claim. While your character may hint at your role, it is still safer than full claiming.

2. Fake-claiming - Mafia normally have to fake claim their roles when forced to claim in theme-less games. In themed games they also have to fake claim characters. Arguably this is more difficult. In role-claiming, they simply have to avoid being counter-claimed. In character claiming, they have to claim a character from the theme, is consistent with their role, and is major enough to be expected (though not all characters in the game will be major).

3. Patterns - Usually, there will be some distinguishing factor between the different factions. Normally this is a good vs. evil type discrimination, but not always. Remember, the Mafia start the game knowing 1/3rd of the role PMs, so have a head start in discerning any patterns and obfuscating Town's ability to also learn it.

4. Mod Psychology - Creating a themed game, including writing PMs, requires more input from the mod. Based on analysis of the game's creation, how the role PMs are written, and any patterns discovered, you can try and determine how the game was constructed in an effort to hunt for scum. However, this is more of an art than a science. Mistakes and deliberately traps created by the mod can hinder such an analysis. Trying to predict the mod's psychology is a double edged sword.

In this game, role were assigned randomly, but not randomly generated. In other words, I selected the roles (and tried to balance them) and then randomly assigned each player one of the roles I had pre-selected. Also, a complete list of possible roles can be found here: https://docs.google.com...#

And now, let us explore the final frontier, and go where no man has gone before!
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1/12/2015 5:56:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
LIVING PLAYERS

Yama
Harder
XLAV
Wylted
Nivek
That1User
ESocialBookworm
Khaos
Subutai
Ore_Ele
HPG
Medic
Ashkan
Rev

(note that the hydras have been split)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
The DP will end at 6:00pm, DDO time, on 1/14/15.


Good luck!
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1/12/2015 6:00:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
vtl ashkan
for activity since he was totally inactive last DP
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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1/12/2015 6:01:45 PM
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Oh, and just to make this clear, do not use PM structure or layout or anything like that to confirm affiliations. To me, that's just lazy mafia-playing.
Live Long and Prosper

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1/12/2015 6:12:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:00:02 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
vtl ashkan
for activity since he was totally inactive last DP

It wasn't totally inactivity it was just for the first DP, and I was dead in the last DP too.
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1/12/2015 6:15:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:00:02 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
vtl ashkan
for activity since he was totally inactive last DP

VTL Annie

For focusing on the inactives. I want a character claim from you, and then ashkan. I'm still not happy about my role.
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1/12/2015 6:40:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:15:56 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:00:02 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
vtl ashkan
for activity since he was totally inactive last DP

VTL Annie

For focusing on the inactives.

?

I want a character claim from you,

Jadzia Dax

and then ashkan. I'm still not happy about my role.
Okay
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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1/12/2015 6:42:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Screw it Ashland is as good as anybody, especially given the inactivity. Can we avoid killing me NP1 for a 3rd straight time please VTL ashkan
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1/12/2015 6:44:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:42:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
Screw it Ashland is as good as anybody, especially given the inactivity. Can we avoid killing me NP1 for a 3rd straight time please VTL ashkan

I feel like you guys purposely try to spell my username wrong.
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1/12/2015 6:49:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:42:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
Screw it Ashland is as good as anybody, especially given the inactivity. Can we avoid killing me NP1 for a 3rd straight time please VTL ashkan

*wishes I had a killing role to slaughter you slowly and painfully at night* ;)
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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1/12/2015 6:56:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Okay, the theme is obviously Star Trek, which isn't too surprising from Bsh (:P).

I might as well as go ahead and full claim. I'm Harry Kim, and I'm Vanilla...again...

*jumps out the ship*
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1/12/2015 6:57:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:54:06 PM, headphonegut wrote:
VTL wylted

a lot of words

Why do you want to pressure Wylted first?
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1/12/2015 7:04:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:57:24 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:54:06 PM, headphonegut wrote:
VTL wylted

a lot of words

Why do you want to pressure Wylted first?

a lot of words.

Why did you claim?

If you are vanilla *if* then you're a bad nilla.
crying to soldiers coming home to their dogs why do I torment myself with these videos?
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1/12/2015 7:08:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:44:56 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:42:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
Screw it Ashland is as good as anybody, especially given the inactivity. Can we avoid killing me NP1 for a 3rd straight time please VTL ashkan

I feel like you guys purposely try to spell my username wrong.

Sorry asscan
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1/12/2015 7:15:31 PM
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I'm not removing my vote. Inactives need to full claim. We need something to go on in later DPs and they'll be the ones who have the easiest time just coasting.
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1/12/2015 7:17:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 7:04:02 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:57:24 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:54:06 PM, headphonegut wrote:
VTL wylted

a lot of words

Why do you want to pressure Wylted first?

a lot of words.

Quit being anti-Town.
Why did you claim?

I have an unimportant role worth outing that might contribute to game setup and thematic analysis.
If you are vanilla *if* then you're a bad nilla.

Too bad. I'm sick of being Town Vanilla.
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1/12/2015 7:18:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 7:17:37 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 7:04:02 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:57:24 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:54:06 PM, headphonegut wrote:
VTL wylted

a lot of words

Why do you want to pressure Wylted first?

a lot of words.

Quit being anti-Town.
Why did you claim?

I have an unimportant role worth outing that might contribute to game setup and thematic analysis.
If you are vanilla *if* then you're a bad nilla.

Too bad. I'm sick of being Town Vanilla.

I'd rather you'd just kept that secret so we can get claims from Inactives first.
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1/12/2015 7:30:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 7:17:37 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 7:04:02 PM, headphonegut wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:57:24 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:54:06 PM, headphonegut wrote:
VTL wylted

a lot of words

Why do you want to pressure Wylted first?

a lot of words.

Quit being anti-Town.

how is it anti town? you asked i answered.

Why did you claim?

I have an unimportant role worth outing that might contribute to game setup and thematic analysis.
If you are vanilla *if* then you're a bad nilla.

Too bad. I'm sick of being Town Vanilla.

alright what have we learned then from you outing your role?

it comes down to do we believe you. if so why if not also why. Presenting on option to why we should believe you and saying this is also what you should believe is kinda weird. especially since your role is unimportant. there was no reason for you to out your role.
crying to soldiers coming home to their dogs why do I torment myself with these videos?
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1/12/2015 7:32:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
We bet our Advisors we'd do pushups if the Buckeyes lost... so I'm going to be really into that game for a while. I'll occasionally pop in here, tonight.

On another note, Sub, it says you're online. You are not getting that late in the game again lurking.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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1/12/2015 7:42:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 7:08:36 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:44:56 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:42:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
Screw it Ashland is as good as anybody, especially given the inactivity. Can we avoid killing me NP1 for a 3rd straight time please VTL ashkan

I feel like you guys purposely try to spell my username wrong.

Sorry asscan

Be nice.
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


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"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

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1/12/2015 7:42:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
VOTE COUNT

Ash (2/8) - Annie, Wylted
Annie (1/8) - Rev
Wylted (1/8) - HPG
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

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1/12/2015 8:33:12 PM
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Give me a chance to claim today, before hammering anybody. I'll claim before the end of the DP but want to hold out at the chance for a CC.
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1/12/2015 8:41:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 6:40:49 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
VTL Esocial
I want full claim, and justification.

I'm a bit worried about Wylted and Rev, too.
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1/12/2015 8:42:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 8:41:17 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:40:49 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
VTL Esocial
I want full claim, and justification.

I'm a bit worried about Wylted and Rev, too.

I'll claim next DP.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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1/12/2015 8:44:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 8:42:45 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 1/12/2015 8:41:17 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:40:49 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
VTL Esocial
I want full claim, and justification.

I'm a bit worried about Wylted and Rev, too.

I'll claim next DP.

Why did you go after Ashkan - a noob in a beginner series?
Why not Rev?
Why do you like it when bad guys win?
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1/12/2015 8:54:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 8:44:53 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/12/2015 8:42:45 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 1/12/2015 8:41:17 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:40:49 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
VTL Esocial
I want full claim, and justification.

I'm a bit worried about Wylted and Rev, too.

I'll claim next DP.

Why did you go after Ashkan - a noob in a beginner series?

That's what I wanted to know.
Why not Rev?

Why not Khaos? We are two of the hardest players to read. ;P
Why do you like it when bad guys win?

I'm not a bad guy... ;_;
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1/12/2015 8:59:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/12/2015 8:54:11 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 1/12/2015 8:44:53 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/12/2015 8:42:45 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 1/12/2015 8:41:17 PM, KhaosMage wrote:
At 1/12/2015 6:40:49 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
VTL Esocial
I want full claim, and justification.

I'm a bit worried about Wylted and Rev, too.

I'll claim next DP.

Why did you go after Ashkan - a noob in a beginner series?

That's what I wanted to know.
Why not Rev?

Why not Khaos? We are two of the hardest players to read. ;P

Since you are here, why did you, YET AGAIN, claim Vanilla?
You were scolded for doing so in Zelda, so why did you do it again here?

Why do you like it when bad guys win?

I'm not a bad guy... ;_;
Did I say you were?