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Beginners' Mafia 35.2: DP1

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2/11/2015 6:01:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
DP SET-UP

https://docs.google.com...

Please note some things have been altered since last series. Review the linked information carefully.

LIVING PLAYERS

Medic
Ash
Ore
Harder
Yama
Voice
Sub
Shadow
Carrie
7th

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 6:00pm, DDO time, on 2/13/15.


Good luck!
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2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

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2/11/2015 7:04:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Bulletproof here, checking in. Let's get some conversation going, like maybe why would I put my role right off the bat.
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2/11/2015 7:09:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:04:07 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Bulletproof here, checking in. Let's get some conversation going, like maybe why would I put my role right off the bat.

That's an excellent question. Why did you put your role right off the bat? If it were almost any other role there'd be no reason to question, but claiming bp this early makes no sense.
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

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2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now? I don't think akshan is in this game.
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2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

https://docs.google.com...
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2/11/2015 7:17:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?

isn't Ore's claim good enough? Two.
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2/11/2015 7:18:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:09:49 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:04:07 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Bulletproof here, checking in. Let's get some conversation going, like maybe why would I put my role right off the bat.

That's an excellent question. Why did you put your role right off the bat? If it were almost any other role there'd be no reason to question, but claiming bp this early makes no sense.

BP is an easy fake claim for mafia, like miller. It gives an excuse for results later. In the case of fake claiming miller, it creates an excuse of why they come up as scum if investigated. For BP, it creates an excuse for why the mafia never killed them (often times when you find a player is playing too well, but not being killed by mafia, they are often mafia).

I am calling this out now as SOP (as I do with miller) so if I was scum, I am putting myself in the greatest risk of being CC'd and thus killed pointlessly. There is another philosophy of trying to draw the NK to help the town that way, but I don't like that because it is more of a gamble. If ir works it is great, but if they never target me, then I claim later and I look scummy.
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2/11/2015 7:20:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:17:32 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?

isn't Ore's claim good enough? Two.

No, claim. Also, seventh is next. If you are going to demand other people claim, you need to be willing as well.
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2/11/2015 7:23:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:20:39 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:17:32 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?

isn't Ore's claim good enough? Two.

No, claim. Also, seventh is next. If you are going to demand other people claim, you need to be willing as well.

Bomb.
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2/11/2015 7:27:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?

Alright, your turn.
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2/11/2015 7:29:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:23:13 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:20:39 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:17:32 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?

isn't Ore's claim good enough? Two.

No, claim. Also, seventh is next. If you are going to demand other people claim, you need to be willing as well.

Bomb.

In the future, let scum kill you before claiming. If it's important that you attract a NK either refuse to claim (but imply you have a big power role) or straight up fake claim a power role and let scum kill you.
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

https://docs.google.com...
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2/11/2015 7:31:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:27:28 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?

Alright, your turn.

PGO. This is why the mod should handpick roles instead of randomly generating (or at least recognize that three anti-NK roles is too much and re-randomize)
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

https://docs.google.com...
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2/11/2015 7:36:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Vig (if you exist, kindly shoot the bulletproof this NP).
PGO - I don't trust
Bomb - I don't trust

Truly, I think one of the three people who just claimed are mafia.
VTL Ash
Let's start with the bomb
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/11/2015 7:39:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So we have 3 night roles that if all accurate completely screw mafia over. Bomb and PGO greatly overlap. Seventh and Ashkan, do you believe each other's role claim?
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2/11/2015 7:49:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.

I'm fairly confident in seventh's claim. Let's just assume he was mafia. He just had a BP and Bomb claim in front of him. Why would he fake a PGO claim at that point? If I was mafia, I'd go with some other claim. Though this landscape is suggesting of a vig.
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2/11/2015 7:50:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
... Although it just occurred to me that mafia now use strongmen (these were never used back when I played more frequently).
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2/11/2015 7:51:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:49:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.

I'm fairly confident in seventh's claim. Let's just assume he was mafia. He just had a BP and Bomb claim in front of him. Why would he fake a PGO claim at that point? If I was mafia, I'd go with some other claim. Though this landscape is suggesting of a vig.

This could all very easily be planned to attempt to lure a vig into claiming.
You are both two experienced players and while PGO is SOP, I don't buy it from 7th. And you claimed way too easily.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/11/2015 7:55:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:51:36 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:49:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.

I'm fairly confident in seventh's claim. Let's just assume he was mafia. He just had a BP and Bomb claim in front of him. Why would he fake a PGO claim at that point? If I was mafia, I'd go with some other claim. Though this landscape is suggesting of a vig.

This could all very easily be planned to attempt to lure a vig into claiming.
You are both two experienced players and while PGO is SOP, I don't buy it from 7th. And you claimed way too easily.

Too "easily"? That implies that someone tried and I gave in. There is no effort for a Vig to claim, their actions will speak to thier existence on its own.
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2/11/2015 7:57:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:55:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:51:36 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:49:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.

I'm fairly confident in seventh's claim. Let's just assume he was mafia. He just had a BP and Bomb claim in front of him. Why would he fake a PGO claim at that point? If I was mafia, I'd go with some other claim. Though this landscape is suggesting of a vig.

This could all very easily be planned to attempt to lure a vig into claiming.
You are both two experienced players and while PGO is SOP, I don't buy it from 7th. And you claimed way too easily.

Too "easily"? That implies that someone tried and I gave in. There is no effort for a Vig to claim, their actions will speak to thier existence on its own.

It is also a little quick for any in depth plan. I got my role just minutes before the DP started.
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2/11/2015 7:57:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:55:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:51:36 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:49:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.

I'm fairly confident in seventh's claim. Let's just assume he was mafia. He just had a BP and Bomb claim in front of him. Why would he fake a PGO claim at that point? If I was mafia, I'd go with some other claim. Though this landscape is suggesting of a vig.

This could all very easily be planned to attempt to lure a vig into claiming.
You are both two experienced players and while PGO is SOP, I don't buy it from 7th. And you claimed way too easily.

Too "easily"? That implies that someone tried and I gave in. There is no effort for a Vig to claim, their actions will speak to thier existence on its own.

I take back what I said.
The TP this game is probrably SK since you were made bulletproof. By that logic, town has no vig.
This makes the PGO claim viable since 7th could easily claim the person she killed targeted her.
Unvote VTL 7th
Caught mafia
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/11/2015 8:03:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:57:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:55:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:51:36 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:49:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.

I'm fairly confident in seventh's claim. Let's just assume he was mafia. He just had a BP and Bomb claim in front of him. Why would he fake a PGO claim at that point? If I was mafia, I'd go with some other claim. Though this landscape is suggesting of a vig.

This could all very easily be planned to attempt to lure a vig into claiming.
You are both two experienced players and while PGO is SOP, I don't buy it from 7th. And you claimed way too easily.

Too "easily"? That implies that someone tried and I gave in. There is no effort for a Vig to claim, their actions will speak to thier existence on its own.

I take back what I said.
The TP this game is probrably SK since you were made bulletproof. By that logic, town has no vig.
This makes the PGO claim viable since 7th could easily claim the person she killed targeted her.
Unvote VTL 7th
Caught mafia

3rd party isn't introduced until game 3 usually, right?
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2/11/2015 8:04:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:31:32 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:27:28 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:13:52 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:12:21 PM, ashkan wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:20:06 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Pretty good. Now claim

VTL akshan

That's good. Why me and why now?

We've gotta start with something. Also, are there two or three people in your PM?

Alright, your turn.

PGO. This is why the mod should handpick roles instead of randomly generating (or at least recognize that three anti-NK roles is too much and re-randomize)

Where did you go?
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2/11/2015 8:04:34 PM
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At 2/11/2015 6:16:47 PM, ashkan wrote:
Hello everyone, how are you all doing?

Where did you go?
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2/11/2015 8:05:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:44:47 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Funny that they both vanished

I'm doing homework now, replying to posts as I read.
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

https://docs.google.com...
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2/11/2015 8:05:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 8:03:29 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:57:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:55:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:51:36 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:49:09 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/11/2015 7:37:39 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
If the Ash lynch doesn't work out, I'm willing to move to 7th.

I'm fairly confident in seventh's claim. Let's just assume he was mafia. He just had a BP and Bomb claim in front of him. Why would he fake a PGO claim at that point? If I was mafia, I'd go with some other claim. Though this landscape is suggesting of a vig.

This could all very easily be planned to attempt to lure a vig into claiming.
You are both two experienced players and while PGO is SOP, I don't buy it from 7th. And you claimed way too easily.

Too "easily"? That implies that someone tried and I gave in. There is no effort for a Vig to claim, their actions will speak to thier existence on its own.

I take back what I said.
The TP this game is probrably SK since you were made bulletproof. By that logic, town has no vig.
This makes the PGO claim viable since 7th could easily claim the person she killed targeted her.
Unvote VTL 7th
Caught mafia

3rd party isn't introduced until game 3 usually, right?

Nope. Game two and three usually have a TP.
Seventh probably thought the PGO claim would buy her town cred and she'd be ignored.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/11/2015 8:05:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/11/2015 7:39:14 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
So we have 3 night roles that if all accurate completely screw mafia over. Bomb and PGO greatly overlap. Seventh and Ashkan, do you believe each other's role claim?

In a randomized game it's not enough to warrant a lynch, but I am admittedly suspicious.
#UnbanTheMadman

#StandWithBossy

#BetOnThett

"bossy r u like 85 years old and have lost ur mind"
~mysteriouscrystals

"I've honestly never seen seventh post anything that wasn't completely idiotic in a trying-to-be-funny way."
~F-16

https://docs.google.com...