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2/19/2015 9:26:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Mafia wins!!

MAFIA

Khaos (Voice) - You are the SCOUT. Each night you may select a target. You will learn who they visited that night.

Lannan (Shadow) - You are the SUICIDE BOMBER. Once per game and during the DP, you may select a target and detonate. This action will kill both yourself and your target. To detonate, simply post in the DP: "Activate SUICIDE BOMB. Kill (insert target)." This message must be bold for it to count; you may not continue to post or vote after submitting this action.

7th - You are the GOON. You have no role.

TOWN

Medic - You are the TRACKER. Each night you may select a player. You will learn who, if anyone, they visited that night. You win with the town.

Yama - You are the DREAMER. Each night you will receive a dream containing 3 names. Of those three names, 1-2 will be scum. Your dreams will not be interrupted by visitations. You win with the town.

Harder - You are the ROLE COP. Each night you may select a player. You will learn their role but not their affiliation. You win with the town.

Ore (Rev/Sub) - You are the WATCHER. Each night you may select a player; you will learn who, if anyone, visited that player that night. You win with the town.

Ore - You are the DOCTOR. Each night you may select a player and shield them from death. You win with the town.

Bullish - You are the bomb. If NK'd, you will kill your killer. You win with the town.

HPG - You are BULLETPROOF. You cannot be NK'd. You win with the town.

NIGHT ACTIONS

NP1

Ore - Doc. Rev
Rev - Wtc. Yama
Harder - Rlcp. Rev
Medic - Trk. Yama
Voice - Sct. Medic
Voice - NK Rev

NP2

Ore - Wtc. Harder
Harder - Rlcp. Yama
Medic - Trk. Bullish
Lannan - NK Ore
Khaos - Sct. Ore

NP3

Medic - Trk. Lannan
Khaos - NK Yama

NP4

Medic - Trk. HPG
Lannan - NK HPG
Live Long and Prosper

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2/19/2015 9:28:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Tbh, I thought mafia was doomed before DP1 even started. Props on pulling out a tough win.
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2/19/2015 9:29:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Great job, guys.
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2/19/2015 9:30:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Not to take away from the mafia, but that was the game I've ever had the most displeasure to play with town in.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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2/19/2015 9:34:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 9:30:50 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Not to take away from the mafia, but that was the game I've ever had the most displeasure to play with town in.

Would you really not have lynched you?
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/19/2015 9:36:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 9:30:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
Hmm.. I'm suprised the SB never used his ability

He couldn't have after you were role copped.
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2/19/2015 9:38:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 9:34:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 9:30:50 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Not to take away from the mafia, but that was the game I've ever had the most displeasure to play with town in.

Would you really not have lynched you?

How did you forget that I told you guys NOT to lynch the fvcking doc? Who in their right mind lynches the doc, when an alternative is there? If people listened to me from there, everyone important would've been alive for another DP.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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Ore_Ele
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2/19/2015 9:41:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I know the 7-3 is naturally way balanced towards mafia (since town only gets one mislynch before they are at mislynch and lose), but with all those roles... just wow.
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2/19/2015 10:01:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 9:38:26 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 2/19/2015 9:34:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 9:30:50 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Not to take away from the mafia, but that was the game I've ever had the most displeasure to play with town in.

Would you really not have lynched you?

How did you forget that I told you guys NOT to lynch the fvcking doc? Who in their right mind lynches the doc, when an alternative is there? If people listened to me from there, everyone important would've been alive for another DP.

How is possible to not lynch a CC?

The trade is there for the mafia: 1 for 1 (+1 NK). It's not in there favor. What if Ore was pulling a Khaos? Would you still have been there asking to not lynch him?
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2/19/2015 10:03:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 9:41:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
I know the 7-3 is naturally way balanced towards mafia (since town only gets one mislynch before they are at mislynch and lose), but with all those roles... just wow.

Not 1 mafia was visited except for lannan lol. Let me do some math on that..
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2/19/2015 10:15:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:01:57 PM, Bullish wrote:
GG mafia.

I wanna hear from HPG...

lol, yeah. I want to hear this "thought" process that he went through.
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2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?
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2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/19/2015 10:33:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

If you thought logically, you wouldn't have lynched him. That's the problem with mafia: everyone has a set way of doing everything and they don't think.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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Ore_Ele
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2/19/2015 10:35:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:01:30 PM, Bullish wrote:
At 2/19/2015 9:38:26 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 2/19/2015 9:34:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 9:30:50 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Not to take away from the mafia, but that was the game I've ever had the most displeasure to play with town in.

Would you really not have lynched you?

How did you forget that I told you guys NOT to lynch the fvcking doc? Who in their right mind lynches the doc, when an alternative is there? If people listened to me from there, everyone important would've been alive for another DP.

How is possible to not lynch a CC?

The trade is there for the mafia: 1 for 1 (+1 NK). It's not in there favor. What if Ore was pulling a Khaos? Would you still have been there asking to not lynch him?

The thing was, there was, 1) There was a way to check and confirm (and with watchers and trackers, the mafia could not really pull any funny business). Especially when Khaos claimed cop (that's when I knew he was scum, since he didn't bring that up in DP2 when it could have helped the town realize they had so many options that it wasn't a risk). 2) The reasoning for lying made sense (and actually worked. Mafia did not try to kill me and instead went for someone else, someone that was protected because I was free to use my ability).

I fully agree that CC's and liars should generally be lynched, however, there are always exceptions based on the situation. How easily can the truth be verified vs the reasoning behind the actions. A classic example would be a Bomb dropping hints that he had a major power role or even claiming a major power role to try to get mafia to target him. Had he been found out to be lying, there is an understandable reasoning for it that is pro-town. This can also be with BP, Millers, and Vanillas trying to draw mafia attention. Of course, it would have been better if I had come out on my own rather than CC'd (I almost did when it was claimed that I visited Yama, but I thought I would hold out one more DP).
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2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.
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YamaVonKarma
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2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Ore_Ele
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2/19/2015 10:37:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:29:12 PM, Bullish wrote:
Ore, would you have lynched yourself?

If I was on the outside? With a RC, Tracker, and Watcher all out, probably not. If all those roles were still hidden, then probably yes. I was really looking forward to taking Rev's spot and was upset mostly that I was killed during the NP.
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2/19/2015 10:38:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.

Sure it does. To hide power roles, to make mafia think that meaningless roles are worth NKing, there are a number of reasons that town can want to lie, or at the least, give off a false impression.
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2/19/2015 10:39:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.

You aren't thinking.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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2/19/2015 10:40:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:38:49 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.

Sure it does. To hide power roles, to make mafia think that meaningless roles are worth NKing, there are a number of reasons that town can want to lie, or at the least, give off a false impression.

I refuse it.
Simply because you cannot trust someone who has been proven to be a liar.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/19/2015 10:44:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Town: how did you explain the blocked NK the first night. With all of the outed roles, and the fact that there would be no reason to go after HPG, how was the NK blocked?
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And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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Ore_Ele
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2/19/2015 10:46:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:40:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:38:49 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.

Sure it does. To hide power roles, to make mafia think that meaningless roles are worth NKing, there are a number of reasons that town can want to lie, or at the least, give off a false impression.

I refuse it.
Simply because you cannot trust someone who has been proven to be a liar.

Then you are only hurting the town by hampering their ability to influence the mafia and you will continue to have games where players set you in a position where they nail scum on DP1, prevent the NK on NP1 and give you literally no reason to lose the game other than you refuse simple pro-town reasoning.
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2/19/2015 10:50:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:46:21 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:40:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:38:49 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.

Sure it does. To hide power roles, to make mafia think that meaningless roles are worth NKing, there are a number of reasons that town can want to lie, or at the least, give off a false impression.

I refuse it.
Simply because you cannot trust someone who has been proven to be a liar.

Then you are only hurting the town by hampering their ability to influence the mafia and you will continue to have games where players set you in a position where they nail scum on DP1, prevent the NK on NP1 and give you literally no reason to lose the game other than you refuse simple pro-town reasoning.

The very first lesson I was ever taught about Criminal Investigations was that someone who has been proven to have lied cannot be trusted.
When someone opens the game with a lie that they are later caught in, no sane person will trust them.

If it means I'm insane to follow this logic on DDO, I must be the single craziest person here.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/19/2015 10:51:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:40:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:38:49 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.

Sure it does. To hide power roles, to make mafia think that meaningless roles are worth NKing, there are a number of reasons that town can want to lie, or at the least, give off a false impression.

I refuse it.
Simply because you cannot trust someone who has been proven to be a liar.

I have a proposition for you. Let's both claim right off the bat in the new game.
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2/19/2015 10:52:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 10:51:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:40:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:38:49 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:37:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:36:27 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:30:23 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/19/2015 10:22:20 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Regarding Ore's lynch: have any of you ever heard of deductive reasoning?

Lynch all liars

Worked out great for you, didn't it.

I'm still going to stick by it. Because TOWN HAS NO REASON TO LIE.

Sure it does. To hide power roles, to make mafia think that meaningless roles are worth NKing, there are a number of reasons that town can want to lie, or at the least, give off a false impression.

I refuse it.
Simply because you cannot trust someone who has been proven to be a liar.

I have a proposition for you. Let's both claim right off the bat in the new game.

No. Let's both not start the game by immediately lying.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW