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3/2/2015 6:57:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
LYNCHED LAST DP

HPG - You are the IMPACT TURN. If you can turn what I am saying against me, you not only defeated my argument, but you used it as a weapon against my overall claim. It's a double hit. Therefore, you are the even-day LOBBYIST. Every even day, your votes will count for 2. You win with the Town. Town wins when it has eliminated all other factions.

GRAVEYARD

Khaos - Powerful Rhetoric, Alarmist - Town
Zaradi - Enunciation, Innocent Child - Town
Yama - Dropped Arguments, JOAT - Mafia
Skep (Kiri) - ??? , ??? - ???
Raisor - Slapdash Presentation, Ninja - Mafia
XLAV - ??? , ??? - ???
Endark - Permutation, Tracker - Town
HPG - Impact Turn, Lobbyist - Town

LIVING PLAYERS

TUF
Ford
Solon
Medic
Khaos (Rev)
Dalt
Blackvoid
Bossy
Korashk (Rocket/FT/Daytona)
Danielle
7th (Val)
TN05 (Harder/Wylted)
Beginner

With 13 players remaining, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The DP will end at 7:00, DDO time, on 3/3/15.


Good luck!
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3/2/2015 7:03:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
EDIT

The DP ends on 3/4/14. I apologize for that.
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3/2/2015 7:05:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:03:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:
EDIT

The DP ends on 3/4/14. I apologize for that.

So It ended almost a year ago?
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3/2/2015 7:06:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:05:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:03:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:
EDIT

The DP ends on 3/4/14. I apologize for that.

So It ended almost a year ago?

*grumbles*

Yes, it did. I magically transported it back in time because I am a Wizard. I am a wizard that looks like a dog with Stitch on his head. I am that much of a BAMF.
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3/2/2015 7:12:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:06:31 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:05:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:03:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:
EDIT

The DP ends on 3/4/14. I apologize for that.

So It ended almost a year ago?

*grumbles*

Yes, it did. I magically transported it back in time because I am a Wizard. I am a wizard that looks like a dog with Stitch on his head. I am that much of a BAMF.

Indeed.
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And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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3/2/2015 7:13:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:12:49 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:06:31 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:05:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:03:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:
EDIT

The DP ends on 3/4/14. I apologize for that.

So It ended almost a year ago?

*grumbles*

Yes, it did. I magically transported it back in time because I am a Wizard. I am a wizard that looks like a dog with Stitch on his head. I am that much of a BAMF.

Indeed.

Lol :)
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3/2/2015 7:22:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:06:31 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:05:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:03:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:
EDIT

The DP ends on 3/4/14. I apologize for that.

So It ended almost a year ago?

*grumbles*

Yes, it did. I magically transported it back in time because I am a Wizard. I am a wizard that looks like a dog with Stitch on his head. I am that much of a BAMF.

You're a wizard, Bsh.

You're a bish, wizard.
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3/2/2015 8:07:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:44:58 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
So nobody died in the night? Interesting

They targeted me. I am efficient time management, the x-shot bulletproof. As I said DP1, my link is kind of a stretch, but to parahphrase the important part, Time management is a preventative measure for problems, thus I am a bullerproof. Bsh1 said I will not be informed if I was targeted. I highly doubt a doctor, given raisor's fake claim, so I am going to assume I was targeted last night.

I've read only a few out of order posts in DP5, so I will be catching up as soon as I can, as well as posting reads. I find it odd danielle wasn't chosen as the Night Kill. Also I am still slightly skeptical of BV.
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3/2/2015 8:17:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:44:58 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
So nobody died in the night? Interesting

I am not a member of this but I am new to the game.
You don't have to kill in the night?!?!?!
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3/2/2015 8:28:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yeah, I officially suck. First Dalt and now that...I don't even know what to say. That was pathetic of me. The whole game has been, really. Falling for Raisor's BS. Spending multiple hours rereading DPs, just to come up with that result....

Not even sure how motivated I am to keep trying to with how screwed up I've been and how bad that was.

Maybe I'll post later...or not. Idk. Hopefully Danielle will have something.
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3/2/2015 8:34:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 8:17:23 PM, 2001bhu wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:44:58 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
So nobody died in the night? Interesting

I am not a member of this but I am new to the game.
You don't have to kill in the night?!?!?!

Not all NPs result in deaths. Mafia could always choose to abstain from killing, or they could have targets a target with protection, or some other game mechanic could be involved. It really depends.
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3/2/2015 9:52:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 7:44:58 PM, ford_prefect wrote:

Would you like to claim?
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3/2/2015 10:02:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Points:
I may have been wrong about Danielle.

I'm also wrong about TUF unless his claim is an elaborate plot to garner a perma-townread..
I may also be wrong on Korashk/FT. The motive was sso clear though. :(

I don't think I am wrong on BV, but I don't really know.
Seventh is likely scum as is Bossy, who seems to think his ability to commute means that he can't be scum. That doesn't logically compute whatsoever.

VTL Bossy for death
This dude's been on my radar forever. It is time to lynch him.
I believe 100% that he tried and failed to recruit raisor. I believe he did this as cult leader not mason recruit. A cult leader with the ability to choose to either commute or recruit? That's actually an incredibly reasonable mixture of roles. 2x my butt. Get hung scum.
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3/2/2015 10:09:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 9:52:07 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:44:58 PM, ford_prefect wrote:

Would you like to claim?

Already did. Judge adaptation, Popular
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3/2/2015 10:14:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 10:09:17 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 3/2/2015 9:52:07 PM, SolonKR wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:44:58 PM, ford_prefect wrote:

Would you like to claim?

Already did. Judge adaptation, Popular

Right, I was there when you confirmed. Sorry about that. My brain is fried from the Senior Essay I've been writing. In retrospect, setting a pace of 10 pages a day was a terrible idea.
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3/2/2015 10:40:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I guess I'll go by PoE.

Disregarding plain cultists, if they exist:
TUF and Beginner and Khaos claimed their characters early. That's town-ish.
Ford is pretty much guaranteed town via popular. Role confirmation doesn't = affiliation confirmation, but he's been pretty towny too, so that's that.
I'm town, obviously.
Medic is probably town.
Dalt is town.
As Danielle hasn't been CC'd, she's probably town.

That leaves BV, Bossy, Korashk, 7th, and TN05.

Does anyone have any disagreements with my statements above, or any additional eliminations to make?
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3/2/2015 11:40:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 8:07:01 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/2/2015 7:44:58 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
So nobody died in the night? Interesting

They targeted me. I am efficient time management, the x-shot bulletproof. As I said DP1, my link is kind of a stretch, but to parahphrase the important part, Time management is a preventative measure for problems, thus I am a bullerproof. Bsh1 said I will not be informed if I was targeted. I highly doubt a doctor, given raisor's fake claim, so I am going to assume I was targeted last night.

I've read only a few out of order posts in DP5, so I will be catching up as soon as I can, as well as posting reads. I find it odd danielle wasn't chosen as the Night Kill. Also I am still slightly skeptical of BV.

This is INCREDIBLY opportunistic. Just saying.

I lied about my role. I'm actually a commuter every night unless I use one of my 2x recruitments. I was likely the NK target, which basically proves that I'm perma-commuter. Now, Beginner, how exactly is a cult leader that's essentially unkillable at night fair for Mafia at all?

Like, the fact that Beginner, even just thinking I was 2x commuter, would still think that cult would have my role is kind of ridiculous. In a cult game, an unkillable mason makes sense since the mason helps mafia narrow down the cult leader so that they can kill him, but an unkillable cult leader is just absurd.

If you don't believe that I'm basically perma-commuter, two things: one, explain why Tuf was a better target, from a mafia perspective, than I was, keeping in mind that scum directly NEED to kill cult before the endgame, and two, target me tonight. Anyone can target me tonight and confirm that I'm not, in fact, 2-shot.

Danielle needs to out her results, btw.
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3/3/2015 12:02:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/2/2015 10:40:07 PM, SolonKR wrote:
I guess I'll go by PoE.

Disregarding plain cultists, if they exist:
TUF and Beginner and Khaos claimed their characters early. That's town-ish.
Ford is pretty much guaranteed town via popular. Role confirmation doesn't = affiliation confirmation, but he's been pretty towny too, so that's that.
I'm town, obviously.
Medic is probably town.
Dalt is town.
As Danielle hasn't been CC'd, she's probably town.

That leaves BV, Bossy, Korashk, 7th, and TN05.

Does anyone have any disagreements with my statements above, or any additional eliminations to make?

Khaos claimed his character and role last day phase, I believe, because he replaced somebody and I don't know if you have claimed yet. You should claim.

- You
- Beginner
- Bossy
- Seventh
- TN05
- and Khaos

I'm fairly sure that at least one of these is scum. Don't know how we can determine which without Danielle or trial and error.

- You
- Beginner
- Seventh

I am more confident in you three than the others.
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3/3/2015 12:03:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 12:02:01 AM, Korashk wrote:
I am more confident in you three than the others.

That those three are scum. If Beginner is scum then he is the Godfather.
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3/3/2015 12:07:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 12:02:01 AM, Korashk wrote:
Khaos claimed his character and role last day phase, I believe, because he replaced somebody and I don't know if you have claimed yet. You should claim.

I claimed Tracker, which was confirmed by Endark stealing my role.
According to TUF's claimlist, Khaos 2's character was claimed DP1.
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3/3/2015 7:34:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Either Tuf or Bossy is lying. I don't think there would be two town roles that can't be NK'd. I'm leaning toward Tuf being the bad guy here, although I can see why scum would target an unclaimed player, versus a player who has claimed a role that can't hurt them (Bossy). I can also see scum passing their NK in order to set someone up to have a free pass for the rest of the game. Even with a doc, you only have a chance of protecting the right person, but we have two claims here that are guaranteed to be immune from NK's every night.

Anybody curious why the cop, who claims to be the only person to be roleblocked this game, hasn't posted in the last two DP's, and hasn't been killed in the last two NP's??
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3/3/2015 8:38:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Alright, who is certain that one of the janitored roles is watcher?
I am.
A full time ninja to prevent against a tracker is silly, and mafia are loathe to fake claim a watcher role.

So, there is only one unknown role in the graveyard. Could be cult recruiter, could be doc, could be cop.
My work here is, finally, done.
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3/3/2015 9:26:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Danielle dropping cop hints all over the place wouldn't be surprising if she knew her scumteam planned to try and janitor whoever the cop was anyway. It's not like that type of thing is going to be noticed if they end up failing to kill the cop before he outs, so why not?

The fact that no one else has reported a RB is worrisome to me. Did Danielle out who it was she targeted on the night her action failed?

I find the possibility that TN05 (having claimed miller) and a second godfather scumbuddy are choosing to keep Dani alive to be very plausible, as her cop reports pose no risk to them. The incentive in keeping her alive is doubled because she can find cult for the mafia (assuming she herself is not a cult recruit, which could explain her sudden absence)

This theory is really squashed by the lack of a roleblocker in the equation, though, and negates any TR on her I might have; fused with her convenient lack of useful results. if anyone can account for that, they desperately need to out it.
Danielle needs to immediately out her results. If she doesn't post soon I'm going to assume it's because she's mafia or cult and proceedingly VTL her.

I think there is scum between TUF and Bossy, and I would not necessarily TR either one because of the lack of a death last night. Did Bossy commute last night?
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3/3/2015 9:27:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 8:38:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Alright, who is certain that one of the janitored roles is watcher?
I am.
A full time ninja to prevent against a tracker is silly, and mafia are loathe to fake claim a watcher role.

So, there is only one unknown role in the graveyard. Could be cult recruiter, could be doc, could be cop.
Would the recruited cultists not die upon the death of the recruiter? I've not played in a real cult game before.
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3/3/2015 9:35:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 9:27:27 AM, Daltonian wrote:
At 3/3/2015 8:38:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Alright, who is certain that one of the janitored roles is watcher?
I am.
A full time ninja to prevent against a tracker is silly, and mafia are loathe to fake claim a watcher role.

So, there is only one unknown role in the graveyard. Could be cult recruiter, could be doc, could be cop.
Would the recruited cultists not die upon the death of the recruiter? I've not played in a real cult game before.

Who knows?
If the cult recruiter was recruited, there was at most three attempts.
Between me, FT, and mafia, the cult may have failed each time.
My work here is, finally, done.
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3/3/2015 10:07:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 8:38:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Alright, who is certain that one of the janitored roles is watcher?
I am.
A full time ninja to prevent against a tracker is silly, and mafia are loathe to fake claim a watcher role.

So, there is only one unknown role in the graveyard. Could be cult recruiter, could be doc, could be cop.

Wouldn't bet on it, but possible. I think it's a given that Raisor knew the doc was janitored, otherwise he wouldn't have claimed doc. If Danielle is legit cop, then the other role could be watcher, but I still think she's using a janitored role as her claim.
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3/3/2015 10:12:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 10:07:15 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 3/3/2015 8:38:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Alright, who is certain that one of the janitored roles is watcher?
I am.
A full time ninja to prevent against a tracker is silly, and mafia are loathe to fake claim a watcher role.

So, there is only one unknown role in the graveyard. Could be cult recruiter, could be doc, could be cop.

Wouldn't bet on it, but possible. I think it's a given that Raisor knew the doc was janitored, otherwise he wouldn't have claimed doc. If Danielle is legit cop, then the other role could be watcher, but I still think she's using a janitored role as her claim.

So, you think there is a full time ninja to combat a tracker?
Further, in the absence of a doc, there is the possibility that TUF and bossy are both town, and with Yama dead DP2, Raisor in the cross hairs, and potentially a smaller mafia if a cult exists, outing the protective role is not a bad ploy.
My work here is, finally, done.
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3/3/2015 10:56:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 10:12:25 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 3/3/2015 10:07:15 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 3/3/2015 8:38:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Alright, who is certain that one of the janitored roles is watcher?
I am.
A full time ninja to prevent against a tracker is silly, and mafia are loathe to fake claim a watcher role.

So, there is only one unknown role in the graveyard. Could be cult recruiter, could be doc, could be cop.

Wouldn't bet on it, but possible. I think it's a given that Raisor knew the doc was janitored, otherwise he wouldn't have claimed doc. If Danielle is legit cop, then the other role could be watcher, but I still think she's using a janitored role as her claim.

So, you think there is a full time ninja to combat a tracker?

Stranger things have happened.

Further, in the absence of a doc, there is the possibility that TUF and bossy are both town,

With a doc you only have a potential for thwarting the NK. With two roles being immune to NK's every night, I'd say that's over-compensation. I'd be very surprised to see them both as town.

and with Yama dead DP2, Raisor in the cross hairs, and potentially a smaller mafia if a cult exists, outing the protective role is not a bad ploy.

It's possible that he was trying to out the doc, but I doubt it. I think he actually thought that he was going to be able to talk himself out of that situation though, so I think it more likely that the doc was one of the janitored roles, and he knew it would be a safe claim.

Everyone has claimed, so why haven't you outed your info yet??
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3/3/2015 10:57:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 9:26:02 AM, Daltonian wrote:

I think there is scum between TUF and Bossy, and I would not necessarily TR either one because of the lack of a death last night. Did Bossy commute last night?

I've already claimed permanent commuter.

Literally no one has explained why they think that there's a role blocker. Danielle's role failed WHEN SHE TARGETED ME, a COMMUTER. Idk if I'm just missing something or what...
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Or lose the race to rats
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To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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