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# Code Geass Mafia Endgame

 Posts: 11,858 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 10:04:12 AMPosted: 2 years agoThere was so much that was intrinsically wrong with this game.Just work the math out on thisThere is 12 people3 are scum with 2 of them being able to live through a lynch. You literally gave no room for mislynches if that happened. Town played exceptionally well other wise this game would gave been so unbalanced. I think it's 5 or 6 lynches town had to hit in a row to make them win properlyIn addition to that the theme was out the window with the justifications. Like dear lord the justifications.i'm torn in between thinking that you added the lynch proofs mid game to balance the game because town did so well, or that you actually thought that town could hit that many lynches in a row. I'm leaning toward the first. I don't see how that could have been in the game at the start
 Posts: 14,700 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 10:08:52 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 10:04:12 AM, Mikal wrote:There was so much that was intrinsically wrong with this game.Just work the math out on thisThere is 12 people3 are scum with 2 of them being able to live through a lynch. You literally gave no room for mislynches if that happened. Town played exceptionally well other wise this game would gave been so unbalanced. I think it's 5 or 6 lynches town had to hit in a row to make them win properlyIn addition to that the theme was out the window with the justifications. Like dear lord the justifications.i'm torn in between thinking that you added the lynch proofs mid game to balance the game because town did so well, or that you actually thought that town could hit that many lynches in a row. I'm leaning toward the first. I don't see how that could have been in the game at the startAs I said- there was only one lynchproof, and that was Rev, and it was a hidden mechanic.Ford was judas.And I'd like to think that the investigative, protective and vig roles balanced it out a bit.I had to change up some roles before the game started, so I screwed justifs.There was no set theme, because I wanted y'all to analyse behaviour, which is probably why I should have just left it unthemed.Solonkr~ I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not, I care about how to solve problems, which is what everyone else should also care about. Ken~ In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it. Deep down, we're all dumbassses who act like shittheads Me~ "BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL" SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
 Posts: 11,858 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 10:27:09 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 10:08:52 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:At 4/28/2015 10:04:12 AM, Mikal wrote:There was so much that was intrinsically wrong with this game.Just work the math out on thisThere is 12 people3 are scum with 2 of them being able to live through a lynch. You literally gave no room for mislynches if that happened. Town played exceptionally well other wise this game would gave been so unbalanced. I think it's 5 or 6 lynches town had to hit in a row to make them win properlyIn addition to that the theme was out the window with the justifications. Like dear lord the justifications.i'm torn in between thinking that you added the lynch proofs mid game to balance the game because town did so well, or that you actually thought that town could hit that many lynches in a row. I'm leaning toward the first. I don't see how that could have been in the game at the startAs I said- there was only one lynchproof, and that was Rev, and it was a hidden mechanic.Ford was judas.And I'd like to think that the investigative, protective and vig roles balanced it out a bit.I had to change up some roles before the game started, so I screwed justifs.: There was no set theme, because I wanted y'all to analyse behaviour, which is probably why I should have just left it unthemed.This is entirely true. The point of a theme is to incorporate thematic stuff. If you make a theme and then just go so far off that it is impossible to analyze it, then there is no point to have oneI'm entirely off with the balance though. Town had to play perfectly to win this and the fact they only mislynched once which was DP1 and still got to a 3 person game attests to thatAll in all it was fun to read though, I would just really watch the balance in future ones. This could have easily ended dp3 or dp4 with a mafia win due to how hard it was to kill scum.The vig does not balance it out actually it makes it worse. If you give someone a vig and they miss kill it makes it more likely scum will when and then you have to bypass the lynch protections on top of that
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 10:46:46 AMPosted: 2 years agoIts not MVP anymore if there are like 5 players in it.Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 25,980 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 10:53:31 AMPosted: 2 years agoIt is fine to have a theme but make in a way so thematic analysis is minimal, but state that from the get go. For example, you can have theme tie to roles exclusively but not affiliation. Or vise versa. Otherwise, what you are basically doing is leading town to think one way, when that way was intentionally wrong from the beginning. That's known as bastard modding.Also, I am starting to side with Blue and F-16 about affiliation switches. They only work in large games and if they happen early, otherwise, try kill behavioral analysis (which is what you said you wanted)."Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 10:53:41 AMPosted: 2 years agoI knew something was up with Ford.When he was asking to get cop'd felt townish and scummish at the same time.2 things that made me cop Rev over Ford. Rev was scummier to me and I don't trust people who's asking to get cop'd.Also, I though mafia had 2-shot governor, not a lynchproof + Judas.Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 10:59:01 AMPosted: 2 years agoAnd mass claiming is sh*t.I'm going to use this game as an example.Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:04:55 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 9:48:25 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:Now, it"s better when town works as a team. When town works together, they can corroborate, and actually find good reads, rather than one person who knows the theme leading them off, like Mikal was doing DP1.LolWylted, also, was acting very scummy when he kept bandwagoning rather than giving actual reads and analysis.Thats what made him town actually. Wylted was actively playing scum in another on going game while he plays passively in thia game. This game came out first and the other game came out second. Seeing Wylted actively playing as scum in the other game, made him town this game.Daytona didn"t use his fake-claim.LolBaby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 11,858 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:05:10 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 10:59:01 AM, XLAV wrote:And mass claiming is sh*t.I'm going to use this game as an example.It's not sht when there is actually theme driven game. This game was a theme without a theme. I mean had i see one justification before that I would have never in a million years pushed for that. The justis did not match with the characters, the affils were random, the game was everywhereLike a game with some type of theme that can be analyzed it can be useful, but I concede that in this game with the way it was set it, the mass claim was entirely useless
 Posts: 11,858 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:08:24 AMPosted: 2 years agoGranted there was multipe mod screw ups that contributed to thisHer partly confirming endark as town by her toneThe early xlav confirmationThe one thing I will say about xlav is that when hes town, hes so obviously town it hurts. There was basically two confirmed townies off the start which I noted in DP1. The only thing I regret in this is that mass claim push due to the theme just going in every which way. There was no way to remotely analyze it.I'd also take a stab that is why mafia targeted him np1
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:09:03 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:05:10 AM, Mikal wrote:At 4/28/2015 10:59:01 AM, XLAV wrote:And mass claiming is sh*t.I'm going to use this game as an example.It's not sht when there is actually theme driven game. This game was a theme without a theme. I mean had i see one justification before that I would have never in a million years pushed for that. The justis did not match with the characters, the affils were random, the game was everywhereLike a game with some type of theme that can be analyzed it can be useful, but I concede that in this game with the way it was set it, the mass claim was entirely uselessFvck theme.Theme analysis is just there as a last resort.Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 11,858 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:11:42 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:09:03 AM, XLAV wrote:At 4/28/2015 11:05:10 AM, Mikal wrote:At 4/28/2015 10:59:01 AM, XLAV wrote:And mass claiming is sh*t.I'm going to use this game as an example.It's not sht when there is actually theme driven game. This game was a theme without a theme. I mean had i see one justification before that I would have never in a million years pushed for that. The justis did not match with the characters, the affils were random, the game was everywhereLike a game with some type of theme that can be analyzed it can be useful, but I concede that in this game with the way it was set it, the mass claim was entirely uselessFvck theme.Theme analysis is just there as a last resort.You can use it if there is a theme. This was not a theme gameIt was a "let me fuk with town game"The fact that you guys still won this was literally just mind fuking. You got past a bastard mod game where you basically had to hit 5-6 correct lynches with only 2 mis lynches open. Add that that theme was so out of this game that anyone that has seen the show would be just be entirely confusedThis is one of the best games , I've seen you play in a while. I really have to stop doing theme anything, this game is just proof mods fuk with people for the hell of it
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:19:44 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:11:42 AM, Mikal wrote:You can use it if there is a theme. This was not a theme gameAnd we can't tell if a game is a theme game, can we?It was a "let me fuk with town game"The fact that you guys still won this was literally just mind fuking. You got past a bastard mod game where you basically had to hit 5-6 correct lynches with only 2 mis lynches open. Add that that theme was so out of this game that anyone that has seen the show would be just be entirely confusedYou're forgetting that town had a lot of confirmations and vig, if Endark was alive.Medic was confirmed.Skep was confirmed.Endark counters the lynchproofs.I'm a legit cop.You're bodyguard.Skep is doc.Ore is forensic inv.Bodyguard on Doc and doc on bodyguard is OP.Mafia was weak. The only fighting chance the mafia team has if Ford was able to succesfully get a false confirmation, and thats assuming if whoever gets Judas decided to even join mafia.The survivor should have been 1x deathproof IMO.Town was really OP.This is one of the best games , I've seen you play in a while. I really have to stop doing theme anything, this game is just proof mods fuk with people for the hell of itDon't do theme at all.Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 11,858 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:23:07 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:19:44 AM, XLAV wrote:At 4/28/2015 11:11:42 AM, Mikal wrote:You can use it if there is a theme. This was not a theme gameAnd we can't tell if a game is a theme game, can we?It was a "let me fuk with town game"The fact that you guys still won this was literally just mind fuking. You got past a bastard mod game where you basically had to hit 5-6 correct lynches with only 2 mis lynches open. Add that that theme was so out of this game that anyone that has seen the show would be just be entirely confusedYou're forgetting that town had a lot of confirmations and vig, if Endark was alive.Medic was confirmed.Skep was confirmed.Endark counters the lynchproofs.I'm a legit cop.You're bodyguard.Skep is doc.Ore is forensic inv.Bodyguard on Doc and doc on bodyguard is OP.Mafia was weak. The only fighting chance the mafia team has if Ford was able to succesfully get a false confirmation, and thats assuming if whoever gets Judas decided to even join mafia.The survivor should have been 1x deathproof IMO.Town was really OP.This is one of the best games , I've seen you play in a while. I really have to stop doing theme anything, this game is just proof mods fuk with people for the hell of itDon't do theme at all.Nothing about that has balance. It derives on who kills who and when they kill. If one of the "balances" were taken out then you had the situation that you had. You had to hit 6 lynches with 2 mis lynches openThat is not balanced like at allThe only reason endark was confirmed was the tone and what she said so that was a mod fuk up. There was alot of stuff that happened that helpedYou literally have the mod saying she wanted to fuk with town lolIm js , this game has entirely got me off theme anything. It just shot the fun out of it
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:28:25 AMPosted: 2 years agoSilly Ford having no faith in town, lol.Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 13,835 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:52:15 AMPosted: 2 years agoAnyway, Annie totally overextended herself as a first-time mod, hence my displeasure with the game's structure. This game was the most bastard one I've seen out of all the games I played on DDO so far.w/e, gg. Y'all were OP af though. :3
 Posts: 24,780 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:52:26 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:49:44 AM, RevNge wrote:You just did this to fvcking spite me, huh?y she hate uAt least the noble sheep provides us warm sweaters. All your hides would provide are coward pants. - Dick Solomon YYW is a sociopath. Beware. "I call albatross!" - seventhprofessor
 Posts: 14,700 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 11:54:29 AMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:52:15 AM, RevNge wrote:yes I did it to spite you because I spent half the game trying to make you not modkill yourselfSolonkr~ I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not, I care about how to solve problems, which is what everyone else should also care about. Ken~ In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it. Deep down, we're all dumbassses who act like shittheads Me~ "BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL" SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
 Posts: 13,835 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:00:06 PMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:52:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:At 4/28/2015 11:49:44 AM, RevNge wrote:You just did this to fvcking spite me, huh?y she hate uThat's what I want to know.
 Posts: 13,835 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:02:03 PMPosted: 2 years ago@Annie: Exactly how did you think that this game was balanced? .-.
 Posts: 13,835 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:03:27 PMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 9:48:25 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:Rev, Daytona and Mikal, if I ever mod again, I'm not including you in my announcement thread, or better yet- game.Good, because if your next game is anything like this, I don't want to.
 Posts: 13,835 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:04:21 PMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:54:29 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:At 4/28/2015 11:52:15 AM, RevNge wrote:yes I did it to spite you because I spent half the game trying to make you not modkill yourselfDid you really think I would do that? >.>And, food for thought: I wouldn't have behaved like that if Town wasn't so OP.
 Posts: 25,980 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:18:19 PMPosted: 2 years agoAnnie was a first time mod that I don't even recall playing that much. So a poorly structured game is to be expected. I want to know was how did this slip by BSH?"Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
 Posts: 13,835 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:26:53 PMPosted: 2 years ago"Endark- Although he died early, he did have a good guess at who scum may be. He should have just not hinted at being a power role."*facepalm* I'm not surprised m8
 Posts: 14,344 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:27:26 PMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 12:18:19 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:Annie was a first time mod that I don't even recall playing that much. So a poorly structured game is to be expected. I want to know was how did this slip by BSH?I bet Bsh is actually the one who created the roles and the theme, and Annie is taking the blame like a real MVP.Baby, you're the highlight of my lowlife Favorite Debate: Muhammad Drawing Contest http://www.debate.org...
 Posts: 13,835 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:28:23 PMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 12:27:26 PM, XLAV wrote:At 4/28/2015 12:18:19 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:Annie was a first time mod that I don't even recall playing that much. So a poorly structured game is to be expected. I want to know was how did this slip by BSH?I bet Bsh is actually the one who created the roles and the theme, and Annie is taking the blame like a real MVP.Bsh y u hate meh
 Posts: 14,700 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:31:51 PMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 12:27:26 PM, XLAV wrote:At 4/28/2015 12:18:19 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:Annie was a first time mod that I don't even recall playing that much. So a poorly structured game is to be expected. I want to know was how did this slip by BSH?I bet Bsh is actually the one who created the roles and the theme, and Annie is taking the blame like a real MVP.No- bsh had to seriously help me fix the roles cuz I had town *wayyyyyyyyy* too overpowered before XDIf I still have that setup somewhere, I'll send it later.After the judas was lynched, he turned back into town and all that jazz. Vig was also BP, or something like that. It was too all over the place. XDSolonkr~ I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not, I care about how to solve problems, which is what everyone else should also care about. Ken~ In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it. Deep down, we're all dumbassses who act like shittheads Me~ "BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL" SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
 Posts: 14,700 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 4/28/2015 12:32:15 PMPosted: 2 years agoAt 4/28/2015 11:52:26 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:At 4/28/2015 11:49:44 AM, RevNge wrote:You just did this to fvcking spite me, huh?y she hate uBecause he's rev. o_oSolonkr~ I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not, I care about how to solve problems, which is what everyone else should also care about. Ken~ In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it. Deep down, we're all dumbassses who act like shittheads Me~ "BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL" SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.