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9/10/2015 4:05:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Mafia wins!
DD/tejritics- Workers of the World Unite! Karl Marx is well known for being the creator of Marxism. He was horrified by the slave labor that Capitalism caused and demanned that the world change leading to a World Wide Revolution to crush to Imperial Capitalists. It was this heart and motivation that makes you the Godfather. Once per night phase you may select a living player and said player will die. Even after you die the Night Killing position shall move on to the next highest ranking mafia member. Towards the end of your life you lived among the Capitalists in England, so upon investigation you will apear to be affiliated with them. You win with the Marxists.

SolomKR- Weimier Republic Marxist Party leader Rudolf Hilferding. You pushed for more intervention in the market showing Organized-Capitalism. You were such a threat to the market that Adolf Hitler had you killed in 1941. It is this kind of motivation to defeating Capitalism that makes you the Bus Driver, once per night phase you may select two players and the actions targetting player A are transferred to player B and vice-versa. You win with the Marxists.

Endarken- The Author of "The Decent of Man," Antonie Pannekoek, argued against Social Darwinism. He instead argued for Socialism in his book refuting the arguing that if we look at nature then we can see that the nature protects the weak not destroys it. Due to this you are the goon. You have no role except that of appearing and siding with the Marxists, which you win with.

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VOT- Author of Economic Sophisms, Fr"d"ric Bastiat, has become a famous Austrian economist. In his novel he gave the example of the Negative Railroad to launch an attack on Tariffs. You shown that even if it benefits someone it will hurt the consumer since they will be unable to buy the good at its normal price nor later on when the nation they placed the tariff on places a counter-tariff. Due to this revalation you are the Restless Spirit. After your death you may place a vote on a player and the next day phase they shall have your vote on them. You may repeat this each Night phase after your death. You win with the Capitalists.

OberHerr- Ronald Reagan used Milton Friedman"s Monetary policies on several ideals to help guide America through the 1980s. You argued that the Phillips curve cannot work in the long run and challenged Native Kenyism revealing its many flaws. Thus making you the Lie Detector. Once per night phase you may select one comment from any Previous Day Phases and learn whether or not the player was speaking the truth. You win with the Capitalists.

XLAV- The Russian Radical Ayn Rand was a major advocate of the free market. Much of what she had written was warning of the vices of government control of the market and how that affects an individual"s freedom. She was one of the economic advisors to President Ford. She stated in an interview that, "In Capitalism there is no poverty" thus making you the Doctor since the greatest cure for the economic is a free market. Once per night phase you may select one living play or yourself and they will be protected from the night kill but will still be subjected to other unlethal night actions. You win with the Capitalists.

Wylted- You were the economist who challenged Kenyes and was a strong advocate for Classical Liberalism. Friedrich Hayek was well known for being a Lazzie-Faire economist who argued for much privitization. The greatest thing and most contraversial thing you argued for was the privitization of currency. Arguing at this there would officially be a free market and that currencies could finially challenge much of the government money much like today"s Bitcoin. Due to your Total free market stance you are the Cop. Once per night phase you may select one living user and find out their affiliation. You win with the Capitalists.

Khaos_Mage- You are the person you coined the famous phrase, "Creative Destruction,"Joseph Schumpeter. Showing that in a free market the business should be permitted to fail as the business will be replaced and there shall be new jobs and innovation in the reckage of the old. Since many people of today"s economic world tends to disagree with you, you are the vanilla. You have no role, but are affiliated with the Capitalists, which whom you win with.

Midnight1131- Times magazine dubbed, Committe to save the world, Alan Greenspan has done a lot to help out the US economy. During the earlier 1990"s Alan Greenspan, as Federal Reserve Chairman, raised rates to cool off the economy, but it did just the opposite. The economy took off and caused the Bull Market of the 90"s gaining him a large amount of popularity. Greenspan has also helped to shoften the dot-com bubble. Due to your ability to help the economy through your Monetary Policy you are the absorber. Each night when you are targetted by another player you gain that role and may use that role until you are targetted by another role and will gain that role as a new role and you will lose your old role. You win with the Capitalists.

Varrack- You are the creator of the famous Laffer"s Curve, Arthur Laffer. In the curve you showed that you cannot tax people at rates at 0 or 100% or you will not pull in any revenue, but instead the taxation has to be somewhere in the middle. Many people attempt to disprove it, by showing different calculations but it remains true. Do to this you"re the exicutioner. Once per game, you may select a player with at least half of the votes needed to lynch them and they will die ending the day phase, almost as if they were lynched. You win with the Capitalists.

GreyParrot- A year special to all Americans, 1776, you published your works, Wealth of Nations. Adam Smith was a great pioneer into the world of economics and is credited with being a Creator in Capitalism as the alternative to Merchantilism. Even Marggerat Thatcher carried a copy of your book with her at all times. Do to you massive popularity you are the Popular Townie. It will take one extra vote to lynch you, but it will show on the vote board. You win with the Capitalists.

YamavonKama- You are the famous Thomas Malthus. Renouned for his arguments on the human extinction you have shown that if supply is well bellow demand that the item will either cease production and no longer exist or there shall be an alternative. In the main case you have used food and the human population, however, that argument has not shown through. Because of this failure you are the hated townie. It takes one less vote to lynch you and this will shown on the voting board. You win with the Capitalists.

Night Actions
NP1
Wylted- Cop OberHerr
XLAV- Doc Self
OberHerr- LD Khaos_Mage's post 406 IWWTT statement
DD- NK Khaos_Mage
SolonKR- Bus OberHerr with SolonKR

NP2
Wytled- Cop SolonKR
XLAV- Doc Self
DD- Kill Yama
SolonKR- Bus GreyParrot and Yama

Game MVP: DD!

Yes, the noob wins game MVP. He entered the game being probably the number 1 lynch target, but somehow managed to get out of the jam that he was in and permitted the bussed cop to go after OberHerr. DP3 him and SolonKR should have both been on the choppin' block, but with Wylted wanting to go after XLAV though he got a guilty on SolonKR sealed the Town's fate. Not to mention that in the Mafia PM he did quite a bit of talking for a Noob. (Trust me, 34 notifications after I walk away from my computer and just about all of them from the Mafia PM).
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lannan13
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9/10/2015 4:14:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:11:37 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
*slow claps*

Bravo, town.

My exact thoughts watching the entire thing. It was like watching a car crash, you wanted to look away, but at the same time the intenseness (in this case hilarity) makes it impossible to look away.
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9/10/2015 4:18:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Daaaaaaaaaayuuuuuuummmmmmmm
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/10/2015 4:19:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:05:03 PM, lannan13 wrote:

Fun game. Was very intense the last few pages of DP3.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/10/2015 4:20:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Lynching Midnight DP1 was the single most stupid play that could have been made.
FFS, Wytled, you could have copped him, and we'd have had a second cop, or at least learned what other roles were in the game.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/10/2015 4:21:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:11:37 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
*slow claps*

Bravo, town.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/10/2015 4:34:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So, I found scum DP1.
I had huge FOS on ER by the end of DP1.

And for the life of me, I have no idea why I town read Solon DP1. I can't even remember why I thought it was initially true.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/10/2015 4:35:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
GG to all!

XLAV asked a good question in the last DP. He asked "Just what are they teaching you noobs in the begginers series?" Well I feel I am most qualified to answer this question, since this was my very first game ever not in the begginers series. But do I really need to answer with words? I think my performance in going from #1 scum read to scum MVP speaks for itself. In short, the begginers series teaches us how to kick a**. No XLAV, even you cannot deny my awesomeness. For it was in the final DP that you guessed the scum team with 100% accuracy... except for me.

But yeah, this really was a fun game. I look forward to the next.
Cobalt - You could be scum too.
Matt - I suppose. But I also might not be.

Kiri - Yeah, I don't know what DD is doing.
Vaarka - He's doin'a thingy do

DD - The best advice most often goes unheeded.
Wise Man - KYS, DD.
DD - Case in point ^
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9/10/2015 4:42:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:35:00 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
GG to all!

XLAV asked a good question in the last DP. He asked "Just what are they teaching you noobs in the begginers series?" Well I feel I am most qualified to answer this question, since this was my very first game ever not in the begginers series. But do I really need to answer with words? I think my performance in going from #1 scum read to scum MVP speaks for itself. In short, the begginers series teaches us how to kick a**. No XLAV, even you cannot deny my awesomeness. For it was in the final DP that you guessed the scum team with 100% accuracy... except for me.

But yeah, this really was a fun game. I look forward to the next.

No.

You were my 4th suspect.

Notice the people who I asked questions in DP3? You think if I town read you I wouldn't ask you those questions?

I'm not saying you did bad, you did alright for a noob.
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9/10/2015 4:45:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
What really p*ssed me of is the fact that townies fvcked themselves up, not scum.

If town wasn't so bloody vote crazy town would have won big time.
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9/10/2015 4:45:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:42:34 PM, XLAV wrote:
I'm not saying you did bad, you did alright for a noob.

That's the closest I have ever seen to a compliment from you so I'll just quit while I'm ahead ;-). GG XLAV.
Cobalt - You could be scum too.
Matt - I suppose. But I also might not be.

Kiri - Yeah, I don't know what DD is doing.
Vaarka - He's doin'a thingy do

DD - The best advice most often goes unheeded.
Wise Man - KYS, DD.
DD - Case in point ^
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9/10/2015 4:47:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:34:43 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
So, I found scum DP1.
I had huge FOS on ER by the end of DP1.

And for the life of me, I have no idea why I town read Solon DP1. I can't even remember why I thought it was initially true.

Why? I still would have pushed Midnight if I was town. He just would have been my number 2 read behind Tej.
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9/10/2015 4:49:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:35:00 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
I think my performance in going from #1 scum read to scum MVP speaks for itself. In short, the begginers series teaches us how to kick a**.

You're welcome.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/10/2015 4:50:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Mafia MVP: Wylted.

-_-

I actually did call it a bit. Tej/DD was one that Khaos planted the idea but I was sure he was Mafia, or likely was, by the next DP.

Endarkened made me think he was scum by how easily he got on my lynch train.

Solon.....it was either Solon or GP for me. And GP flipped inno, so I figured Solon was it.

No real reason, I just thought it was likely. Seemed like a great cover to be defending me. And Wylted and Yama were almost certainly Town.
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9/10/2015 4:52:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:35:00 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
GG to all!

XLAV asked a good question in the last DP. He asked "Just what are they teaching you noobs in the begginers series?" Well I feel I am most qualified to answer this question, since this was my very first game ever not in the begginers series. But do I really need to answer with words? I think my performance in going from #1 scum read to scum MVP speaks for itself. In short, the begginers series teaches us how to kick a**. No XLAV, even you cannot deny my awesomeness. For it was in the final DP that you guessed the scum team with 100% accuracy... except for me.

But yeah, this really was a fun game. I look forward to the next.

To be fair....Yama and Wylted were playing like complete dumbasses towards me. That helped immensely....

And I woulda lynched you @$$ too, if it weren't for them meddling Townies, and their stupid Mafia.
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9/10/2015 4:53:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:46:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Finally. I'm back on my game. Well played, all.

You had me convinced you were town. Lol. GG.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/10/2015 4:54:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:49:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:35:00 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
I think my performance in going from #1 scum read to scum MVP speaks for itself. In short, the begginers series teaches us how to kick a**.

You're welcome.

Yeah you were definitely part of it with my scum game lol.

Solon I think was the one who suggested making you the NP1 NK. Thinking back to our game together I quickly agreed. Too bad you turned out to be vanilla =/.
Cobalt - You could be scum too.
Matt - I suppose. But I also might not be.

Kiri - Yeah, I don't know what DD is doing.
Vaarka - He's doin'a thingy do

DD - The best advice most often goes unheeded.
Wise Man - KYS, DD.
DD - Case in point ^
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9/10/2015 4:54:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:53:14 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:46:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Finally. I'm back on my game. Well played, all.

You had me convinced you were town. Lol. GG.

Thank you. I've been having a few off games recently, so it was nice to finally play well again. You played pretty well yourself.
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9/10/2015 4:55:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:54:14 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:49:49 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:35:00 PM, Discipulus_Didicit wrote:
I think my performance in going from #1 scum read to scum MVP speaks for itself. In short, the begginers series teaches us how to kick a**.

You're welcome.

Yeah you were definitely part of it with my scum game lol.

Solon I think was the one who suggested making you the NP1 NK. Thinking back to our game together I quickly agreed. Too bad you turned out to be vanilla =/.

Solon and I said how he was baiting the NK. We killed him for his ability to analyze, not to hit a PR.
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9/10/2015 4:55:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:54:45 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:53:14 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:46:47 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Finally. I'm back on my game. Well played, all.

You had me convinced you were town. Lol. GG.

Thank you. I've been having a few off games recently, so it was nice to finally play well again. You played pretty well yourself.

Thanks. I thought I was being a total noob (as pointed out by XLAV). Lol.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/10/2015 4:56:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Oh yeah, I have to write a small paper on why Wylted shouldn't play Mafia. Or shouldn't be Town.
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9/10/2015 4:57:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:47:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:34:43 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
So, I found scum DP1.
I had huge FOS on ER by the end of DP1.

And for the life of me, I have no idea why I town read Solon DP1. I can't even remember why I thought it was initially true.

Why? I still would have pushed Midnight if I was town. He just would have been my number 2 read behind Tej.

No, I believe you would have listened to reason, or at least questioned me for an explanation. Further, with the double cop threat, mafia was assuredly on that lynch, and had I not been NK'd, I actually would have pushed Wylted DP2, TBH. Then tej and you.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/10/2015 4:58:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:55:28 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Solon I think was the one who suggested making you the NP1 NK. Thinking back to our game together I quickly agreed. Too bad you turned out to be vanilla =/.

Solon and I said how he was baiting the NK. We killed him for his ability to analyze, not to hit a PR.

Exactly. And it was his ability to analyze that made me agree as well. He and I were scum together so I saw his cleverness firsthand in the mafia PM.
Cobalt - You could be scum too.
Matt - I suppose. But I also might not be.

Kiri - Yeah, I don't know what DD is doing.
Vaarka - He's doin'a thingy do

DD - The best advice most often goes unheeded.
Wise Man - KYS, DD.
DD - Case in point ^
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9/10/2015 5:00:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Oh, and by the way, I was not baiting the NK.
I don't know why you people think I was.

Sure, I had my voice and vote, but nothing in my play DP1 suggested I had a power role or was baiting anything.
My work here is, finally, done.
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9/10/2015 5:00:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:56:04 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Oh yeah, I have to write a small paper on why Wylted shouldn't play Mafia. Or shouldn't be Town.

A compass which always pointing the opposite way is still useful for navigation. When you wish to go north, simply check that the compass is pointing south.
Cobalt - You could be scum too.
Matt - I suppose. But I also might not be.

Kiri - Yeah, I don't know what DD is doing.
Vaarka - He's doin'a thingy do

DD - The best advice most often goes unheeded.
Wise Man - KYS, DD.
DD - Case in point ^
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9/10/2015 5:00:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 4:57:50 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:47:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/10/2015 4:34:43 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
So, I found scum DP1.
I had huge FOS on ER by the end of DP1.

And for the life of me, I have no idea why I town read Solon DP1. I can't even remember why I thought it was initially true.

Why? I still would have pushed Midnight if I was town. He just would have been my number 2 read behind Tej.

No, I believe you would have listened to reason, or at least questioned me for an explanation. Further, with the double cop threat, mafia was assuredly on that lynch, and had I not been NK'd, I actually would have pushed Wylted DP2, TBH. Then tej and you.

Ah. Yeah, I should have asked you to clarify. You're right.
Well, live and learn.