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Beginners' Mafia 41.3: DP1

bsh1
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11/2/2015 9:40:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
THE DP SET UP

https://docs.google.com...

There is no rest for the wicked, or those trying to save them. Three cheers for mafia!

LIVING PLAYERS

LW
Valo
TS
Endark
Val
Blah
Vaar
Khaos
Lannan
Butter

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 3:30pm, Central Time, on 11/4/15.


Good luck!
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


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11/2/2015 9:43:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Man, I'd love to do a bunch of stuff for this right now and do all my reading and fluff and crap, but I'm working on an essay that's due in twenty minutes so yeah. I'll be back at some point in time.

<3
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

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All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

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11/2/2015 9:44:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I have 3 debates to do tonight, a 15 page essay to work on, and 2 meetings tonight, so I'm going to be a bit busy and probably won't post much tonight and won't really be active until sometime tomorrow.

With that said I'll leave a vote.
VTL Endarken
For character claim.
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11/2/2015 11:05:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
VOTE COUNT

Endark (1/6) - Lannan
LW (1/6) - Endark
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

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11/2/2015 11:08:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Nah, let's give Butter a taste of his own medicine.
Go on, mate, stretch the limits of the game.

VTL Butter

Got to go commute.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/2/2015 11:08:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 11:06:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
And there's bsh1 just lurking and waiting for people to vote.
VTL bsh

Lol.
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11/2/2015 11:09:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 11:08:26 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Nah, let's give Butter a taste of his own medicine.
Go on, mate, stretch the limits of the game.

Why would you start a 3rd wagon?

VTL Butter


Got to go commute.
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11/2/2015 11:28:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 11:08:26 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Nah, let's give Butter a taste of his own medicine.
Go on, mate, stretch the limits of the game.

VTL Butter


Got to go commute.

Butter If your mafia please NK me! PLease!
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11/2/2015 11:52:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
VOTE COUNT

Endark (1/6) - Lannan
LW (1/6) - Endark
Butter (1/6) - Valo
Live Long and Prosper

I'm a Bish.


"Twilight isn't just about obtuse metaphors between cannibalism and premarital sex, it also teaches us the futility of hope." - Raisor

"[Bsh1] is the Guinan of DDO." - ButterCatX

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11/3/2015 12:21:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 11:52:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
VOTE COUNT

Endark (1/6) - Lannan
LW (1/6) - Endark
Butter (1/6) - Valo

Valo didn't vote Butter. Khaos did.
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11/3/2015 12:33:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 11:28:45 PM, ValosaBirdy wrote:
At 11/2/2015 11:08:26 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Nah, let's give Butter a taste of his own medicine.
Go on, mate, stretch the limits of the game.

VTL Butter


Got to go commute.

Butter If your mafia please NK me! PLease!

And why would you ask Butter to NK you?
I don't want a lot for Christmas
There is just one thing I need
I don't care about the presents
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Is...
Youuuuuu
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11/3/2015 12:40:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 11:09:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/2/2015 11:08:26 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Nah, let's give Butter a taste of his own medicine.
Go on, mate, stretch the limits of the game.

Why would you start a 3rd wagon?

Why not?
Actually, I had to leave work, and I wanted to vote Butter and saw there were other votes.

To be honest, though, I know who scum is. My PM told me.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/3/2015 12:42:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 9:44:58 PM, lannan13 wrote:
I have 3 debates to do tonight, a 15 page essay to work on, and 2 meetings tonight, so I'm going to be a bit busy and probably won't post much tonight and won't really be active until sometime tomorrow.

With that said I'll leave a vote.
VTL Endarken
For character claim.

So, you're not going to be on most of DP1, and you don't give town anything other than a vote?
My work here is, finally, done.
Vaarka
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11/3/2015 12:49:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 12:40:54 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/2/2015 11:09:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/2/2015 11:08:26 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Nah, let's give Butter a taste of his own medicine.
Go on, mate, stretch the limits of the game.

Why would you start a 3rd wagon?

Why not?
Actually, I had to leave work, and I wanted to vote Butter and saw there were other votes.

To be honest, though, I know who scum is. My PM told me.

Care to share who it is? Care to share how you know this other than "my PM told me"?
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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11/3/2015 1:01:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Note to the class:

This is the third game of the series, and as such, it is like a real game. The game should actually be balanced, and roles were chosen with care. Flavors may be present, and TPs may be present.
This is the real deal, folks.

Tips for mafia:
Since all the roles are chosen with care, you have the information via your combined knowledge of each others' roles to have an idea of balancing roles and theme. Use the knowledge of theme to figure out what makes town town, thematically, and start crafting fake claims immediately.

Chances are town has at least one protective role, and at least one investigative role. Use role claims, soft claims, and behavior to try to hone in on who may have these. In addition to these "known" roles, you may have insight into game mechanics or other roles. For example, if you have ninja, you can best be sure that there is a watcher and/or a tracker. If you have an disabler or some role that works to negate another role, that role, too, is likely in play. Use character claims to figure out who may have what role. Taking out threats is very important, whether that be a role that can sink you (like a cop), having a townie with good reads, or having townies that are universally town read or having mod-confirmable roles, like innocent child. You cannot get mislynches with players/roles like that running around.

Tips for town:
Given that town's roles are selected (notice that in the last game, there was not even a cop, so the framer had no utility), town has to be careful in using them. More importantly, even claiming something as benign as Vanilla actually hurts town, since, if mafia believes you (and they generally trust townies, since players who lie often die), gives mafia insight into roles that are a threat. Assume seven townies, and one blurts out "Vanilla!!" and another says "I'm miller" and another says "I'm a commuter, so don't waste protection/investigation on me". That means mafia may know two of the four remaining roles, and they now have a good chance at killing them.
In short, be careful about how much information you disclose.

Using your role:
Again, with information disclosure, you have to be careful what you disclose or how you use your role is beneficial. For example, if a player were to watch me because I am so good that mafia may want to NK me right away, that is a good use of the role (i.e. trying to find the mafia by predicting the NK). But, what if the doctor also thinks I'm a good player to protect, and the cop also thinks I am a good asset to know is town. And, mafia does NK me with a strongman. At first glance, it seems like a good idea to say "one of x, y, z are scum!!!". But, in doing so, you have outed your role, and potentially the roles of other players, as scum can try to figure out why townie X visited me. Saavy?

And, as always, don't be afraid to lynch and don't be afraid to die. Townies play as a team, and as a team they must work together. If you paint a target on your back by outing your role, so be it. It's better than you getting lynched, right? And, you never know what other roles are out there (e.g. protection, watcher, etc.)
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/3/2015 1:02:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 12:49:24 AM, Vaarka wrote:
At 11/3/2015 12:40:54 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/2/2015 11:09:50 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/2/2015 11:08:26 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Nah, let's give Butter a taste of his own medicine.
Go on, mate, stretch the limits of the game.

Why would you start a 3rd wagon?

Why not?
Actually, I had to leave work, and I wanted to vote Butter and saw there were other votes.

To be honest, though, I know who scum is. My PM told me.

Care to share who it is? Care to share how you know this other than "my PM told me"?

Not yet.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/3/2015 1:04:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 12:49:24 AM, Vaarka wrote:

Care to share who it is? Care to share how you know this other than "my PM told me"?

What fun would that be?

Off to do yard work.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/3/2015 1:04:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 1:04:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/3/2015 12:49:24 AM, Vaarka wrote:

Care to share who it is? Care to share how you know this other than "my PM told me"?

What fun would that be?

Off to do yard work.

Have fun doing yardwork :3
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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11/3/2015 1:08:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I want Butter, Blah, LW, Valo, and Varrka (but not really) to be taking the lead here.
Play the game. Use what you've learned. I want to see engagement and scum hunting.
Y'all saw me, ER, and TS do it last game. Your turn!
DO SOMETHING!!!! LOL

Don't rush the DP, either. I'd like to weigh in towards the end of it with my reads.
Unvote
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/3/2015 1:12:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 1:08:30 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I want Butter, Blah, LW, Valo, and Varrka (but not really) to be taking the lead here.
Play the game. Use what you've learned. I want to see engagement and scum hunting.
Y'all saw me, ER, and TS do it last game. Your turn!
DO SOMETHING!!!! LOL

Don't rush the DP, either. I'd like to weigh in towards the end of it with my reads.
Unvote

Homework rn :/

Expect me to be off task a lot tomorrow morning at school where I should be focusing on school but instead am playing DDO. I may post more tonight, but tomorrow will definitely be my higher activity peak.
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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11/3/2015 3:05:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 1:08:30 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I want Butter, Blah, LW, Valo, and Varrka (but not really) to be taking the lead here.
Play the game. Use what you've learned. I want to see engagement and scum hunting.
Y'all saw me, ER, and TS do it last game. Your turn!
DO SOMETHING!!!! LOL

Don't rush the DP, either. I'd like to weigh in towards the end of it with my reads.
Unvote

M8, I won't lead the Dp I am here to help others learn. If they truly need help doing this then I will lead.
I bet fanfics are already being posted on random blogs about us.-Vaarka

Butters preformed his duty to the town and died with honor, he helped us kill scum, so we know have to go and make sure his death wasn't in vain and win this game for him.-lannan13

All hail the great and mighty Butters, who died for our inactive cause.-Vaarka

fuckith offith, lol.-Ore(talking to me)

And guess what happened to FT? He got raped to death.-Xlav

You are so obviously town I love you man.-VOT
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11/3/2015 6:26:24 AM
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Sorry for my inactivity - I'm at school and can't keep up.
I don't want a lot for Christmas
There is just one thing I need
I don't care about the presents
Underneath the Christmas tree
I just want you for my own
More than you could ever know
Make my wish come true
All I want for Christmas...
Is...
Youuuuuu
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11/3/2015 11:26:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 3:05:55 AM, ButterCatX wrote:
At 11/3/2015 1:08:30 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I want Butter, Blah, LW, Valo, and Varrka (but not really) to be taking the lead here.
Play the game. Use what you've learned. I want to see engagement and scum hunting.
Y'all saw me, ER, and TS do it last game. Your turn!
DO SOMETHING!!!! LOL

Don't rush the DP, either. I'd like to weigh in towards the end of it with my reads.
Unvote

M8, I won't lead the Dp I am here to help others learn. If they truly need help doing this then I will lead.

Go on, show them.
Do something.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/3/2015 11:51:09 AM
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I agree with Khaos that he and I (and TS to an extent) did too much leading last DP.

If he knows the scum-team, I see no town-incentive for him not to out them.
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11/3/2015 11:52:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 1:12:01 AM, Vaarka wrote:
At 11/3/2015 1:08:30 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I want Butter, Blah, LW, Valo, and Varrka (but not really) to be taking the lead here.
Play the game. Use what you've learned. I want to see engagement and scum hunting.
Y'all saw me, ER, and TS do it last game. Your turn!
DO SOMETHING!!!! LOL

Don't rush the DP, either. I'd like to weigh in towards the end of it with my reads.
Unvote

Homework rn :/

Expect me to be off task a lot tomorrow morning at school where I should be focusing on school but instead am playing DDO. I may post more tonight, but tomorrow will definitely be my higher activity peak.

I look forward to seeing what you have to have to say.
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11/3/2015 11:54:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 11:51:09 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I agree with Khaos that he and I (and TS to an extent) did too much leading last DP.

If he knows the scum-team, I see no town-incentive for him not to out them.

Do you really think I know them already? C'mon.
And, if I really did know them, how can I say it, and not be leading?
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/3/2015 12:04:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/3/2015 11:54:45 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/3/2015 11:51:09 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I agree with Khaos that he and I (and TS to an extent) did too much leading last DP.

If he knows the scum-team, I see no town-incentive for him not to out them.

Do you really think I know them already? C'mon.
And, if I really did know them, how can I say it, and not be leading?

I don't see any purpose saying that served.