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11/25/2015 2:14:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Dead Players

Buddamoose-???? -????- ????

Living Players

1. Buttercat
2. Ford
3. wylted
4. VolassaBirdy
5. Solon
6. khaos
7. Sapphique
8. ER
9. Smithers
10. bsh1
11. Logic_On_Rails
12. Lucky
13. HPG

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to make a lynch.

This DP will be 96 Hours long. That's four days instead of the usual three, because of thanksgiving I don't expect people to be active much with dinners, family, and black Friday.
The DP will end on 11/29/15 @ 0815 AM.
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11/25/2015 2:53:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
TUF is worried about people being busy with Black Friday. Please don't buy into the consumerist culture. Though I support capitalism to the extent it is possible to support that ideology, consumerism is evil, and should be avoided.
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11/25/2015 3:39:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Either poisoner come forward or ER is scum.
I don't believe for a minute there is both a janitor and a poisoner. That is two NKs per night.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/25/2015 3:49:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 3:39:34 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Either poisoner come forward or ER is scum.
I don't believe for a minute there is both a janitor and a poisoner. That is two NKs per night.

Let me rephrase:
I don't believe for a minute that scum have a janitor and a poisoner.
Since we know there is no TP, and we know that Budda was the NK by mafia, that means that poisoner is mod-confirmed town.
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/25/2015 5:33:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 2:25:58 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I was poisoned, yay.....

Scum done fvcked up targeting me. My life is low utility.

So, if I understand poisoning right, you die the night after being poisoned. Is this correct?
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11/25/2015 5:33:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 2:52:02 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm trying to get my head wrapped around what's going on. In the mean time.

VTL BSH1

Why? You barely even mentioned me last DP. This feels like a total shift in your focus, and I am interested in why you've shifted.
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11/25/2015 6:13:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 5:33:15 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 2:25:58 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I was poisoned, yay.....

Scum done fvcked up targeting me. My life is low utility.

So, if I understand poisoning right, you die the night after being poisoned. Is this correct?

Yes. I'll die at the start of this night phase.
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11/25/2015 6:18:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 5:33:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 2:52:02 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm trying to get my head wrapped around what's going on. In the mean time.

VTL BSH1

Why? You barely even mentioned me last DP. This feels like a total shift in your focus, and I am interested in why you've shifted.

I haven't had a focus, I've just been supporting different wagons.
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11/25/2015 6:20:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Fine, I'll trust that.

unvote VTL Lucky

I do question HPG's logic in saying that, before he has even checked his flavor to confirm that.
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11/25/2015 6:30:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:13:43 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/25/2015 5:33:15 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 2:25:58 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I was poisoned, yay.....

Scum done fvcked up targeting me. My life is low utility.

So, if I understand poisoning right, you die the night after being poisoned. Is this correct?

Yes. I'll die at the start of this night phase.

Okay. Well, if you don't die, we can discuss that turn of events tomorrow. But, I don't think you'd say this as scum, because it obviously would be suspicious if you lived.
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11/25/2015 6:30:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:18:13 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 5:33:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 2:52:02 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm trying to get my head wrapped around what's going on. In the mean time.

VTL BSH1

Why? You barely even mentioned me last DP. This feels like a total shift in your focus, and I am interested in why you've shifted.

I haven't had a focus, I've just been supporting different wagons.

There was no wagon on me when you placed your vote, so this explanation is no explanation. Why did you vote me?
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11/25/2015 6:31:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:17:10 PM, headphonegut wrote:
Got a guilty on lucky.

Vote lucky

So, you are Cop?
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11/25/2015 6:32:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:20:07 PM, Wylted wrote:
Fine, I'll trust that.

unvote VTL Lucky

I do question HPG's logic in saying that, before he has even checked his flavor to confirm that.

Let's not lynch right away, obviously. Town's biggest asset is DP communication.
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11/25/2015 6:43:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I would like to see Smithers' response to my post last DP. I would like Butter and Valo to contribute something meaningful. I would like Budda and Saph to post more, and I'd like Lucky to full claim, given HPG's result on him. Since I am certain that Lucky will get more votes on him shortly, I would like to instead pressure Valo to provide some original thinking. Hopefully this DP will not be a replay of the inactivity and fluff of the last one.

VTL Valo
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11/25/2015 6:52:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:30:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:18:13 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 5:33:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 2:52:02 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm trying to get my head wrapped around what's going on. In the mean time.

VTL BSH1

Why? You barely even mentioned me last DP. This feels like a total shift in your focus, and I am interested in why you've shifted.

I haven't had a focus, I've just been supporting different wagons.

There was no wagon on me when you placed your vote, so this explanation is no explanation. Why did you vote me?

Last DP, I was supporting wagons, and had no focus beyond that. This one, I was going to attempt to derive more behavioral analysis off of you, but I'll just trust HPG here, and I'll figure out what to do next DP, when and if I make it to next DP.
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11/25/2015 6:53:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:43:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would like to see Smithers' response to my post last DP. I would like Butter and Valo to contribute something meaningful. I would like Budda and Saph to post more, and I'd like Lucky to full claim, given HPG's result on him. Since I am certain that Lucky will get more votes on him shortly, I would like to instead pressure Valo to provide some original thinking. Hopefully this DP will not be a replay of the inactivity and fluff of the last one.

VTL Valo

Well, Budda is dead
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11/25/2015 6:56:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:53:47 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:43:56 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would like to see Smithers' response to my post last DP. I would like Butter and Valo to contribute something meaningful. I would like Budda and Saph to post more, and I'd like Lucky to full claim, given HPG's result on him. Since I am certain that Lucky will get more votes on him shortly, I would like to instead pressure Valo to provide some original thinking. Hopefully this DP will not be a replay of the inactivity and fluff of the last one.

VTL Valo

Well, Budda is dead

Nvm. This is what happens when I post during class and don't read carefully -_-
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11/25/2015 7:01:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:52:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:30:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:18:13 PM, Wylted wrote:
I haven't had a focus, I've just been supporting different wagons.

There was no wagon on me when you placed your vote, so this explanation is no explanation. Why did you vote me?

Last DP, I was supporting wagons, and had no focus beyond that. This one, I was going to attempt to derive more behavioral analysis off of you, but I'll just trust HPG here, and I'll figure out what to do next DP, when and if I make it to next DP.

This explanation is very different from the first one you gave...So, going with this one, how was your vote planning to analyze my behavior? What were your thoughts on me before the DP began?
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11/25/2015 7:10:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 7:01:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:52:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:30:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:18:13 PM, Wylted wrote:
I haven't had a focus, I've just been supporting different wagons.

There was no wagon on me when you placed your vote, so this explanation is no explanation. Why did you vote me?

Last DP, I was supporting wagons, and had no focus beyond that. This one, I was going to attempt to derive more behavioral analysis off of you, but I'll just trust HPG here, and I'll figure out what to do next DP, when and if I make it to next DP.

This explanation is very different from the first one you gave...So, going with this one, how was your vote planning to analyze my behavior? What were your thoughts on me before the DP began?

It's an elaboration on what I said before. I wanted the impression of that statement to be the same as this most previous one, but realized I failed to communicate that clearly, by your response.

The vote was to contribute to pressure on you, and if more people wanted to pile on, I could have looked at how you responded. Were you stressed or relaxed seeming about the wagon? Does your stress indicate fear or anger. If fear, I'd assume you were more likely to be scum, if anger, I'd analyze whether it seemed sincere or not, and if sincere, I'd assume town for the time being. I'd simultaneously be looking at your words to see if they matched your behavior. If they did not, I'd assume deception on your part and try to figure out the motives behind the deception.

Before the DP began, my thoughts on you, is that you were calm and relaxed, but mostly focused on discussing Mafia theory and not very focused on behavioral analysis. I wanted to see if the focus was due to trying to look active or whether it had to do with the fact that you just felt like discussing theory at the time.

A lot of stuff goes through my head. Many things are contradictory. I'm examining different lines of thought, it's not easy to explain my thought process, because in one facet, it's overly logical, and in another it is overly abstract. I wrestle with myself and then try to defund some sort of balance before a decision is made.
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11/25/2015 7:53:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 7:10:59 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:01:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:52:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:30:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:18:13 PM, Wylted wrote:
I haven't had a focus, I've just been supporting different wagons.

There was no wagon on me when you placed your vote, so this explanation is no explanation. Why did you vote me?

Last DP, I was supporting wagons, and had no focus beyond that. This one, I was going to attempt to derive more behavioral analysis off of you, but I'll just trust HPG here, and I'll figure out what to do next DP, when and if I make it to next DP.

This explanation is very different from the first one you gave...So, going with this one, how was your vote planning to analyze my behavior? What were your thoughts on me before the DP began?

It's an elaboration on what I said before. I wanted the impression of that statement to be the same as this most previous one, but realized I failed to communicate that clearly, by your response.

Your first response was that you were jumping on bandwagons, and your second was that you wanted to reaction test me. I am not sure I see the segue, but we can leave it there.

So, what were your thoughts on my reaction, if a reaction test was indeed your goal?

Before the DP began, my thoughts on you, is that you were calm and relaxed, but mostly focused on discussing Mafia theory and not very focused on behavioral analysis. I wanted to see if the focus was due to trying to look active or whether it had to do with the fact that you just felt like discussing theory at the time.

You seemed to not even care about my discussion with Endark the other DP.

A lot of stuff goes through my head. Many things are contradictory. I'm examining different lines of thought, it's not easy to explain my thought process, because in one facet, it's overly logical, and in another it is overly abstract. I wrestle with myself and then try to defund some sort of balance before a decision is made.

This feels defensive.
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11/25/2015 7:55:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:30:21 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:13:43 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/25/2015 5:33:15 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 2:25:58 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I was poisoned, yay.....

Scum done fvcked up targeting me. My life is low utility.

So, if I understand poisoning right, you die the night after being poisoned. Is this correct?

Yes. I'll die at the start of this night phase.

Okay. Well, if you don't die, we can discuss that turn of events tomorrow. But, I don't think you'd say this as scum, because it obviously would be suspicious if you lived.

This is assuming, of course, that the poisoner is scum.
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11/25/2015 8:04:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 6:17:10 PM, headphonegut wrote:
Got a guilty on lucky.

Vote lucky

But, but, but......inactivity =/= scumminess LOL

VTL Lucky
My work here is, finally, done.
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11/25/2015 8:08:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Getting 3 starred

Lucky-3/7- HPG, wylted, khaos
ValosaBirdy-1/7- Bsh1
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11/25/2015 8:20:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 7:53:52 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:10:59 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:01:16 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:52:57 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:30:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 6:18:13 PM, Wylted wrote:
I haven't had a focus, I've just been supporting different wagons.

There was no wagon on me when you placed your vote, so this explanation is no explanation. Why did you vote me?

Last DP, I was supporting wagons, and had no focus beyond that. This one, I was going to attempt to derive more behavioral analysis off of you, but I'll just trust HPG here, and I'll figure out what to do next DP, when and if I make it to next DP.

This explanation is very different from the first one you gave...So, going with this one, how was your vote planning to analyze my behavior? What were your thoughts on me before the DP began?

It's an elaboration on what I said before. I wanted the impression of that statement to be the same as this most previous one, but realized I failed to communicate that clearly, by your response.

Your first response was that you were jumping on bandwagons, and your second was that you wanted to reaction test me. I am not sure I see the segue, but we can leave it there.

well, I guess I could further elaborate. Part of it has to do with you misinterpreting what I say, but not by that much.

So, what were your thoughts on my reaction, if a reaction test was indeed your goal?

I wasn't able to induce a stress response, because not enough people were on the wagon. I'm not worried about it. Perhaps I'll pursue that again, next DP, perhaps something else will strike my fancy.

Before the DP began, my thoughts on you, is that you were calm and relaxed, but mostly focused on discussing Mafia theory and not very focused on behavioral analysis. I wanted to see if the focus was due to trying to look active or whether it had to do with the fact that you just felt like discussing theory at the time.

You seemed to not even care about my discussion with Endark the other DP.

I didn't. Now I do, perhaps at some other point I'll change my mind again.

A lot of stuff goes through my head. Many things are contradictory. I'm examining different lines of thought, it's not easy to explain my thought process, because in one facet, it's overly logical, and in another it is overly abstract. I wrestle with myself and then try to defund some sort of balance before a decision is made.

This feels defensive.

I'm not sure how. I mean I really don't feel like I have anything to be defensive of. Your questions actually come across more as you making conversation, than you attempting some sort of behavioral analysis based off my responses. I don't get defensive unless there is enough steam for a lynch of me. There is no reason to get defensive before that point, as town or scum, especially since I see myself as hard to lynch, despite the latest game I played, being different
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11/25/2015 8:33:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/25/2015 8:20:29 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:53:52 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:10:59 PM, Wylted wrote:
So, what were your thoughts on my reaction, if a reaction test was indeed your goal?

I wasn't able to induce a stress response, because not enough people were on the wagon. I'm not worried about it. Perhaps I'll pursue that again, next DP, perhaps something else will strike my fancy.

You can only get information from reactions by inducing stress responses?

You seemed to not even care about my discussion with Endark the other DP.

I didn't. Now I do, perhaps at some other point I'll change my mind again.

Okay. So, why the shift?

A lot of stuff goes through my head. Many things are contradictory. I'm examining different lines of thought, it's not easy to explain my thought process, because in one facet, it's overly logical, and in another it is overly abstract. I wrestle with myself and then try to defund some sort of balance before a decision is made.

This feels defensive.

I'm not sure how. I mean I really don't feel like I have anything to be defensive of.

This also, ironically, feels defensive.
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