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6/5/2016 2:38:10 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
LYNCHED LAST DP

Oro - You are SECUNDUS AUTRONIUS CINCINNATUS, Aedile of the Republic. As an Aedile, you have invested virtually all of your personal funds into hosting games and in various public service projects, hoping that your charitable work will make you popular with the voters. However, now in debt, you need funds simply to keep your creditors at bay. Because you are desperate enough to steal to stay afloat, you are the INNOCENT CHILD. On DP5, in the OP, you will be confirmed as town-affiliated. You win with the innocent.

Hidden Clue: The Optimates and Populares were always bitterly opposed factions, particularly in the years around Poplicola's death. The Iulii and Ulpii, famed patrician and plebian Populares, advocated strongly for populist reforms that the Optimates feared would make them too popular among the people to control. Other prominent Populares gentes included Vitruvia, Rutilia, and Sempronia. The Optimates believed in a rule of the aristocracy, and policies of moderation and caution. The leading Optimate gentes were the Acilia, Caecilia, Naevia, and Fulvia. These lists are, of course, not exhaustive.

- Tiberius Sertorius Pictor, excerpted from his history

DIED IN THE NIGHT

XLAV (Zam) - [Information Withheld]

GRAVEYARD

1. Solon - Paullus Naevius Nasica, Turncoat - Innocent
2. Tej - Numerius Rutilus Cato, Clue Cop - Innocent
3. Uther - Marcus Cornelius Sulla, Vanilla - Innocent (TP)
4. TUF - Vibius Galerius Aculeo, Ninja - Guilty
5. XLAV - Aulus Ulpius Pulcher, Tracker - Innocent
6. Vaar - Sexta Opimia Bassa, Believer - Innocent
7. Oro - Secundus Autronius Cincinnatus, Innocent Child - Innocent
8. XLAV (Zam) - ???, ??? - ???

LIVING PLAYERS

1. Saph
2. Amalgam
3. Oro (Ops)
4. Syko (Miss)
5. Lannan
6. Obi
7. Budda
8. Kiri
9. Fire
10. Solon (Adam)

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 10:30pm, Eastern Time, on 6/7/16.


Bonam fortunam!
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6/5/2016 2:39:12 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
ATTENTION

Oro has replaced Ops. Syko has replaced Miss. I am seeking further replacements for inactives as well.
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6/5/2016 2:43:42 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
I'm GNAEUS IULIUS SCAEVOLA hello.

I'm catching up and will catch up shortly. For now, if you want to take advantage of the fact that you can compare me to my predecessor, please do.

VTL Adam for death.

I have a strong scum read on him for his posts on this page http://www.debate.org... I'll elaborate when activity begins to pick up. For now I'm reading Dp2. Dp1 was utter sh1t tbh. Please try to be concise for the sake of newbies like me.
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6/5/2016 2:46:31 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
This game is too damn long.
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6/5/2016 2:46:57 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
VTL SolonKR (Adam)
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6/5/2016 2:48:05 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Okay, so Oro is probably town confirmed now.
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6/5/2016 2:48:30 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Sorry for the inactivity, I've just been really busy the past week.
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6/5/2016 2:49:39 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
VOTE COUNT

Solon (2/6) - Syko, Lannan
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6/5/2016 2:50:34 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Reads

Town
Saph, Budda, Oro, Syko, Fire, Obi

Null
Amalgam

Scum
Kiri (Slight scum-null)
SolonKR (Adam)
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6/5/2016 2:53:20 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:48:05 AM, lannan13 wrote:
Okay, so Oro is probably town confirmed now.

Could you explain this to me.

Also, @BSH1, I meant to vote: Solon
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6/5/2016 2:58:29 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:53:20 AM, Syko wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:48:05 AM, lannan13 wrote:
Okay, so Oro is probably town confirmed now.

Could you explain this to me.

Also, @BSH1, I meant to vote: Solon

Yup. I got it.
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6/5/2016 3:15:04 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:53:20 AM, Syko wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:48:05 AM, lannan13 wrote:
Okay, so Oro is probably town confirmed now.

Could you explain this to me.

Also, @BSH1, I meant to vote: Solon

Opsi, who was replaced by Oro, had claimed Cornor, which meant there had to be a Janitor. Last night, the NK was obviously Janitored which would pratically confirm Oro, who replaced in for Opsi.
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6/5/2016 3:18:03 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Current thoughts are that the lack of strategy in the voting is really going to stink.

I'd say Budda is town based on the fustration in this post, even though he is incorrect about the affiliation: http://www.debate.org...
It's mainly the fact that he was wrong that leads me to suspect he is town.

Vote History:

Dp1 non Solon votes:
Ops (2/10) - Amalgam, Oro
Amalgam (1/10) - TUF

Dp2 Vote tally:
Vaar (1/9) - Miss
Adam (2/9) - Obi, Vaar
TUF (9/9) - Zam, XLAV, Amalgam, Kiri, Lannan, Fire, Budda, Saph, Ops

Dp3 Vote tally:
Vaar(7/7) - Kiri, Miss, Oro, Obi, Ops, Solon, Fire
Obi (1/7) - Zam
Amalgam (2/7) - Budda, Saph

Dp4 Vote tally:
Oro (7/7) - Solon, Obi, Fire, Lannan, Saph, Budda, XLAV
Amalgam (1/7) - Miss

Looking for patterns. More about Adam:
I had a feeling his entry into Dp1 was too forceful to be genuine. However in Dp2, this happened: http://www.debate.org...
This is a contradiction in thought process. Adam put Vaarka on his scum reads and gave precise reasoning for doing so. This inconsistency smells so strongly of fish.

@Lannan. Thanks.
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6/5/2016 3:33:16 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Is it just me, or is this an obvious scum slip that wasn't noticed? http://www.debate.org...

It's really, really obvious that town is the innocents, and you can't not know that if you're town. Without discussing the wording however, Adam doesn't know this and assumes Lannan is X because lannan does know this, when instead it's more to do with the fact that Lannan has a pm which say's he is innocent, and Adam does not...

Contrast this with an earlier post of his:
"1. Lannan - He said "I win with the innocent." The wincon may have been told to mafia but the wording of this is exactly the same as the pm (replace 'I' with 'you'). Also he doesn't deny being lie detector."
He makes a town read out of Lannan because Lannan said 'I win with the innocent' instead of 'you win with the innocent' which is obviously PM analysis, however he wasn't punished for it, which leads me to believe that mafia were informed about this deviation from standard mod practice and Adam being rather inexperienced decided to make a strong read out of it, thus creating the slip.
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Syko
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6/5/2016 4:24:54 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Player list, minus my town reads:
1. Saph
2. Amalgam
3. Obi
4. Kiri
5. Fire
6. Solon (Adam)

With 3-4 scum around, I'd like to see a lynch in this group, starting with Solon.
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6/5/2016 5:08:53 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:43:42 AM, Syko wrote:
I'm GNAEUS IULIUS SCAEVOLA hello.

Hello. I don't think I've ever seen you before? Have you played any games on here recently?


VTL Adam for death.

I have a strong scum read on him for his posts on this page http://www.debate.org... I'll elaborate when activity begins to pick up. For now I'm reading Dp2. Dp1 was utter sh1t tbh. Please try to be concise for the sake of newbies like me.

I pointed out the contradictions on this page and after it in dp3 and no one else seemed to agree. I also don't like the way that Solon game in and just piled on vote to Vaarka, given his flip so I tend to agree with this read. If anyone was able to check Solon's ascetic claim that would be good (although I have seen this role used as scum before, possibly even by bsh, although I can't remember the exact game and given what else we've seen this game I wouldn't be surprised if it was)
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6/5/2016 5:11:23 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:35:11 AM, Syko wrote:
1. Saph
2. Amalgam
3. Kiri
4. Solon (Adam)

I'd say that this group contains probably the entire scum team.

Solon and Amal are probably the scummiest to me, then Kiri is probably null/leaning scum for the Metallus claim and not providing his clues last dp. I was fairly undecided on Miss so I'd probably through you in there as well, just as a possibility as well as Oro(2).

Why Saph? I've got a town vibe from most her posts?
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6/5/2016 5:11:48 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 5:08:53 AM, ObiWan wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:43:42 AM, Syko wrote:
I'm GNAEUS IULIUS SCAEVOLA hello.

Hello. I don't think I've ever seen you before? Have you played any games on here recently?
No.

I pointed out the contradictions on this page and after it in dp3 and no one else seemed to agree. I also don't like the way that Solon game in and just piled on vote to Vaarka, given his flip so I tend to agree with this read. If anyone was able to check Solon's ascetic claim that would be good (although I have seen this role used as scum before, possibly even by bsh, although I can't remember the exact game and given what else we've seen this game I wouldn't be surprised if it was)

Imo you're an asset to town. I'm reading Dp3 currently so I'm not fully caught up yet. I only need some time. In the meantime, what are your reads on the four names I listed up there ^ ?
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6/5/2016 5:13:25 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 5:11:23 AM, ObiWan wrote:
Why Saph? I've got a town vibe from most her posts?

Saph is scum from her Dp2 interactions with TUF followed by her late BW vote. Her posts after that simply reinforce her knowledge that TUF was guilty.
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6/5/2016 5:20:04 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Tbh Obi, you've been involved in mislynches in some rather suspicious positions on the bandwagons. By PoE there's also a good chance you're scum, and several dead townies have expressed concern about you, including one who was adamant you are scum (and who correctly led the TUF lynch).

However your Dp1 posting is solidly town, so my thoughts will probably be based on what I read Dp3 and 4.
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6/5/2016 6:30:12 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
After reading DP4, these are my conclusions:

A) Scum list
1. Saph
2. Amalgam
3. Obi
4. Solon (Adam)/Lannan

B) Obiwan
Obiwan is scum. Literally, read anyone of his posts from Dp3 or 4 and you'll want him lynched too. The majority of his posts are to agree with a wagon and then add his vote to that wagon. Before I read Dp2-4 I took a look at the vote counts all together and surmised that Obiwan was a suspicious voter. After reading his posts, he's not only a suspicious voter, he's a textbook band wagoner.

C) Budda
If there is still a scum alive after we kill these people, then it's Budda, no matter what his claim is. Otherwise, this list should represent all the scum in this game.

D) What now?
From here on we're going to have to force strategy into the votes. No more randomly killing people. I'd say we start with Obi, due to his liability as a voter, and then move in either direction through the list, narrowing or expanding it if need be.

UNVOTE VTL OBIWAN

In other news, I've completely caught up, so it's high time the Americans showed up to play.
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6/5/2016 12:50:40 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
omg it's been 6 hours.

Here are character claims from the late Oro,
Lannan - SEPTIMA ULPIA GEMELLA
Solonk (adam) - PUBLIUS ULPIUS AGGRIPA
Syko (Missbailey8) - GNAEUS IULIUS SCAEVOLA
Saph - HOSTUS ACILIUS CORVUS
Kiri - OPITER ACILIUS METELLUS BITHYNIUS
Budda- SCIPIO
Fire-
Obi-
Amalgam-

I'm not sure who it was that said Publius Ulpius Aggripa was a bad character, cuz he isn't, which makes Solon look a tad better (especially since my main scum read is casually out to lynch him). Refer to Dp1 and Dp3 (Tuf's flip), where Aggripa is mentioned.

"Fearing continued pressure for Populares positions, Titus Autronius Saturninus and Hostus Acilius Corvus, Censors, on Postumus's advice, removed gentes Iulia, Vitruvia, and Ulpia from the Senate, sparking massive controversy and further social unrest."


That's a thematic piece of evidence against Saph, now here's a behavioural one: http://www.debate.org...

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ObiWan
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6/5/2016 2:15:27 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 12:50:40 PM, Syko wrote:
omg it's been 6 hours.

You get used to it.

Here are character claims from the late Oro,
Lannan - SEPTIMA ULPIA GEMELLA
Solonk (adam) - PUBLIUS ULPIUS AGGRIPA
Syko (Missbailey8) - GNAEUS IULIUS SCAEVOLA
Saph - HOSTUS ACILIUS CORVUS
Kiri - OPITER ACILIUS METELLUS BITHYNIUS
Budda- SCIPIO
Fire-
Obi - APPIUS ACILIUS ALBINUS NUMIDICUS
Amalgam-


I claimed at the end of last dp.
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6/5/2016 2:17:26 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 12:50:40 PM, Syko wrote:

I'm not sure who it was that said Publius Ulpius Aggripa was a bad character, cuz he isn't, which makes Solon look a tad better (especially since my main scum read is casually out to lynch him). Refer to Dp1 and Dp3 (Tuf's flip), where Aggripa is mentioned.

I don't remember anyone saying his character was bad. Also you scum read him off literally the same posts I did, it had nothing to do with character.
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6/5/2016 2:20:49 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 6:30:12 AM, Syko wrote:
After reading DP4, these are my conclusions:

A) Scum list
1. Saph
2. Amalgam
3. Obi
4. Solon (Adam)/Lannan

B) Obiwan
Obiwan is scum. Literally, read anyone of his posts from Dp3 or 4 and you'll want him lynched too. The majority of his posts are to agree with a wagon and then add his vote to that wagon. Before I read Dp2-4 I took a look at the vote counts all together and surmised that Obiwan was a suspicious voter. After reading his posts, he's not only a suspicious voter, he's a textbook band wagoner.

What exactly has been suspicious about my votes?

DP1 I hammered Solon because he literally asked us to. DP2 I don't even remember who I voted for, I don't think I was very active. DP3 was I think was Vaarka, who was scum read by just about everyone and last dp was Oro, who I was almost certain was scum and the only reason I wasn't the first vote on him was because someone was on before me.
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6/5/2016 2:23:29 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Tomorrow I'll take you through your votes. In short they were opportunistic and retrospectively rationalised. Also I believe your character is suss, but we'll see about that in about 16 hours when I come back.
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6/5/2016 5:16:59 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
VTL Amalgam

Town:

Syko (MB8)
Lannan
Fire

Which leaves

Obi
Amal
Ops
Solon
Kiri
Saph

And out of that list, there is 3-4 scum and i'm most confident in Amal being scum. Then Obi, Kiri, Ops. I'm leaning town on Solon and Saph, but if one of them is scum, it's probably Saph imho
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6/5/2016 5:21:06 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Although to be perfectly honest, it's really close between those two, but for now i'm thinking they're town
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6/5/2016 5:24:03 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Who did XLAV FOS last DP? Wasn't it Ops, Obi, and Amal?
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