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Sapphique
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8/25/2016 2:27:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
INTRODUCTION TO MAFIA

Welcome! Mafia is a strategy game that pits an uninformed majority (the Town) against an informed minority (the Mafia). This means that the townies don't know who the other townies are, but the mafia do, and they have their own shared PM to communicate. The game begins with the Day Phase (DP), a public thread in which all players may discuss to determine who they think is mafia. Town's objective is to eliminate the mafia by voting to lynch them, while the mafia's objective is to avoid being lynched and get townies lynched instead. During the Night Phase (NP), players can use the abilities they've been given, if any. The mafia may also choose one player to kill in addition to using any abilities they have. All night actions are submitted privately via each player's individual or mafia PM. The game ends when either all of the mafia have been eliminated, or when the mafia make up 50% or more of the living players (since there will not be enough townies to lynch them).

RULES

Gameplay

1. Votes or unvotes must be bolded.
2. You may unvote or change your vote at any time before the final vote count is posted. However, once a lynch occurs, no further vote changes will count.
3. A lynch occurs when a majority of the players votes to lynch someone.
4. After a lynch occurs, all players (including the lynched player) may talk until I post the final vote count.
5. If a majority hasn't been reached by deadline, or if a majority VTNLs, the DP will end in a no-lynch.
6. Submit night actions via your PM.
7. DPs have a deadline of 72 hours. NPs have a deadline of 24 hours.

Player Conduct

1. Don't C/P anything from your role PMs into the game. Paraphrasing is fine.
2. Don't talk about the game outside the thread or mod-sanctioned PMs.
3. Don't post in the game thread after you die and have been flipped.
4. Play to your win condition.
5. Violating one of these rules will result in a modkill.

Other

1. If you are asking me a question in the DP, please bold it.
2. Please try to maintain civil conduct.
3. Please try limiting quote pyramids. They clutter the game, making it more difficult to read.
4. Anything not covered here will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

The mafia may continue to talk in their designated PM after death.
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"We wondered what happiness would look like if we could give it a physical form...the shape of happiness might resemble glass...even though you don't usually notice it, it's still definitely there. You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light. I doubt that anything else could argue its own existence more eloquently." ~Lelouch
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8/25/2016 2:30:28 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
SETUP

Because DDO formatting won't let me post tables, here's the link to the Matrix 6 setup, as well as a list of all possible role PMs. This is very important, so please read it:

https://docs.google.com...

COMMONLY USED TERMS

https://docs.google.com...

LIVING PLAYERS

1. Rawk
2. Tree
3. Tej
4. Music
5. Triangle
6. Capital
7. Bsh1
8. VoT
9. Rouk

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The DP ends in 72 hours, or at 10:30 am, EST, on 8/28/16.
DDO Beginners' Mafia Moderator -- PM me if you'd like to learn how to play mafia!

"We wondered what happiness would look like if we could give it a physical form...the shape of happiness might resemble glass...even though you don't usually notice it, it's still definitely there. You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light. I doubt that anything else could argue its own existence more eloquently." ~Lelouch
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8/25/2016 2:31:45 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Official Vote Count

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You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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8/25/2016 2:52:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Alright, everyone, let's make this a good game.

I got town this time, which is cool, considering it's my first game in a while. Admittedly there were a few mafia strategies I wanted to use as scum, but I'm still glad that I'm town.

I'll start off with two bits of advice, and I'll come up with more. First, do not claim immediately. Claiming immediately is very anti-town, and is stupid, and I've unfortunately seen many new players do it. Second, please begin with behavioral analysis D1 itself -- apply pressure from the start (for information on how to start the game, see: http://forum.mafiascum.net...). We need a lynch D1, because it generates information. Mafia is all about information, and using those to compare, and create probabilities.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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8/25/2016 2:54:05 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 2:52:14 PM, tejretics wrote:
Alright, everyone, let's make this a good game.

I got town this time, which is cool, considering it's my first game in a while. Admittedly there were a few mafia strategies I wanted to use as scum, but I'm still glad that I'm town.

I'll start off with two bits of advice, and I'll come up with more. First, do not claim immediately. Claiming immediately is very anti-town, and is stupid, and I've unfortunately seen many new players do it. Second, please begin with behavioral analysis D1 itself -- apply pressure from the start (for information on how to start the game, see: http://forum.mafiascum.net...). We need a lynch D1, because it generates information. Mafia is all about information, and using those to compare, and create probabilities.

Lynch vaarka?
Im not a Nazi
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8/25/2016 2:54:58 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 2:54:05 PM, Capital wrote:

Lynch vaarka?

Official Vote Count
Capital (1/5) - Vaarka

;_;
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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8/25/2016 2:57:04 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
bsh1, can you link me to some past games of yours, both as town and mafia?
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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8/25/2016 3:07:54 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 2:54:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:05 PM, Capital wrote:

Lynch vaarka?

Official Vote Count
Capital (1/5) - Vaarka

;_;

Lol I think you got that backwards XD
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"We wondered what happiness would look like if we could give it a physical form...the shape of happiness might resemble glass...even though you don't usually notice it, it's still definitely there. You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light. I doubt that anything else could argue its own existence more eloquently." ~Lelouch
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8/25/2016 3:08:56 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:07:54 PM, Sapphique wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:05 PM, Capital wrote:

Lynch vaarka?

Official Vote Count
Capital (1/5) - Vaarka

;_;

Lol I think you got that backwards XD

Trust me, it was intentional
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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8/25/2016 3:20:35 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Tej seems town already. His entrance/advice to noobs just seemed natural to me.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 3:22:57 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Of course, that's no legitimate reason to 100% townread someone - anyone that is crafty/intelligent enough can effectively contrive posts and make them seem natural.

Of course he did kinda state the obvious lol.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 3:23:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
VTL Bsh
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 3:25:12 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 2:54:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:05 PM, Capital wrote:

Lynch vaarka?

Official Vote Count
Capital (1/5) - Vaarka

;_;

You son of a #!@!

You did that on purpose
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8/25/2016 3:25:55 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
BTDubs fam I don't want another 45.1 happening.

And thats another good piece of advice that I threw out the window in that game:

Do not, under any circumstances, push for a lynch without giving the " target" (if you will) a last chance to defend themselves.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
Vaarka
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8/25/2016 3:25:58 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:25:12 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:05 PM, Capital wrote:

Lynch vaarka?

Official Vote Count
Capital (1/5) - Vaarka

;_;

You son of a #!@!

You did that on purpose

Unvote
;3
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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8/25/2016 3:27:15 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
And don't fluff posts and get on side-discussions. It clutters the game and makes it hard to scum hunt.

Also, limit your quote periods, as not doing so does the same thing.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 3:30:32 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
I'll be back later. I have an appointment with my lab partner and then calculus. I should be back on around 5 p.m Eastern, but I may have brief spurts of activity in between.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 3:31:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
VoT feels town - but upon reading a few of his games it seems he has a very similar meta in the opening.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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8/25/2016 3:33:29 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:25:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/25/2016 3:25:12 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 8/25/2016 2:54:05 PM, Capital wrote:

Lynch vaarka?

Official Vote Count
Capital (1/5) - Vaarka

;_;

You son of a #!@!

You did that on purpose

Unvote
;3

Maybe we should kill terjectics. He sounds phony in his opening
Im not a Nazi
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8/25/2016 3:33:42 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:22:57 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
Of course he did kinda state the obvious lol.

The first bit, at the very least, isn't obvious in a beginners' game -- believe me, I've seen a fair share of people mass-claiming D1 on even the most balanced set-ups just because they don't know what else to do.
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass
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8/25/2016 3:42:15 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Official Vote Count
Bsh (1/5) - VOT

If you believe I have made a mistake, let me know and I will recount.
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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8/25/2016 3:43:28 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:33:29 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/25/2016 3:25:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Unvote
;3

Maybe we should kill terjectics. He sounds phony in his opening
You realize Vaar is my co-mod, right? He's not a player.
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"We wondered what happiness would look like if we could give it a physical form...the shape of happiness might resemble glass...even though you don't usually notice it, it's still definitely there. You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light. I doubt that anything else could argue its own existence more eloquently." ~Lelouch
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8/25/2016 3:45:31 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:43:28 PM, Sapphique wrote:
At 8/25/2016 3:33:29 PM, Capital wrote:
At 8/25/2016 3:25:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
Unvote
;3

Maybe we should kill terjectics. He sounds phony in his opening
You realize Vaar is my co-mod, right? He's not a player.

Who is vaar?
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8/25/2016 3:46:20 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:45:31 PM, Capital wrote:
Who is vaar?
Vaar, short for Vaarka. The one who jokingly voted you and just posted a serious vote count above.
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"We wondered what happiness would look like if we could give it a physical form...the shape of happiness might resemble glass...even though you don't usually notice it, it's still definitely there. You merely have to change your point of view slightly, and then that glass will sparkle when it reflects the light. I doubt that anything else could argue its own existence more eloquently." ~Lelouch
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8/25/2016 3:47:43 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:46:20 PM, Sapphique wrote:
At 8/25/2016 3:45:31 PM, Capital wrote:
Who is vaar?
Vaar, short for Vaarka. The one who jokingly voted you and just posted a serious vote count above.

o/ (sorry for the distraction)
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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8/25/2016 4:52:34 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:33:42 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 8/25/2016 3:22:57 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
Of course he did kinda state the obvious lol.

The first bit, at the very least, isn't obvious in a beginners' game -- believe me, I've seen a fair share of people mass-claiming D1 on even the most balanced set-ups just because they don't know what else to do.

Eh, true.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 4:54:01 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 3:33:29 PM, Capital wrote:
Maybe we should kill terjectics. He sounds phony in his opening

What exactly feels phony about it? Can you pinpoint what about his opening makes you feel this way?
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 4:57:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Unvote VTL Capital

You were recently active, might as well RVS here since you are more likely to respond, and frankly, there is not much to analyze right now.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 5:01:54 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
Unvote

Hold on a sec. There was a similar situation in 45.1 (?). Vaarka made a post in the game (I forget which DP), and breakingamber thought the Vaarka was a player. This somehow confirmed amber as town. I don't really remember how.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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8/25/2016 5:03:52 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
VTL Capital

No, this situation doesn't feel the same. Rather, Cap just seemed to be playing along with it, knowing that it was a joke. Does anyone else have any thoughts about the Vaarka-Capital interaction?
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.