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GodSands
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6/29/2011 6:10:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Being physically strong and maintained is sufficiently better than being mentally able and maintained?

What are you views?

I am planning to debate this threads' very title.
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6/29/2011 6:24:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Didn't you post this before?

In any event, you plan on debating this? Are you going to take the side of physical strength is better?
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6/29/2011 6:25:26 PM
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If you are, does that mean your opponent automatically wins?

Isn't this like the student of Cicero's who refused to pay Cicero for a legal class?
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6/29/2011 6:26:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 6:12:48 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Better in what respect?

In respects of being in a situation that would suit the needs of being either physically strong, healthy, fit and maintained or being mentally able, equipped, coherent and maintained. Which of within, all is determined by probability. I am not making any specific situations, I am purely going by the fundamentals of which is better to be, physically or mentally better and maintained.
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6/29/2011 6:27:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 6:26:02 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:12:48 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Better in what respect?

In respects of being in a situation that would suit the needs of being either physically strong, healthy, fit and maintained or being mentally able, equipped, coherent and maintained. Which of within, all is determined by probability. I am not making any specific situations, I am purely going by the fundamentals of which is better to be, physically or mentally better and maintained.

... If you're in a situation requiring mental fitness, mental fitness is better. If you're in a situation requiring physical strength, physical strength is better.
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6/29/2011 6:30:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 6:25:26 PM, Meatros wrote:
If you are, does that mean your opponent automatically wins?


Isn't this like the student of Cicero's who refused to pay Cicero for a legal class?

If I was to be pro for the side of 'being physically able is better' then it does not mean I automatically lose, it would just mean if I do lose, then my opponent will lose something other than another debate, just kidding hehe. I'm not a violent person.
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6/29/2011 6:31:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 6:27:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:26:02 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:12:48 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Better in what respect?

In respects of being in a situation that would suit the needs of being either physically strong, healthy, fit and maintained or being mentally able, equipped, coherent and maintained. Which of within, all is determined by probability. I am not making any specific situations, I am purely going by the fundamentals of which is better to be, physically or mentally better and maintained.

... If you're in a situation requiring mental fitness, mental fitness is better. If you're in a situation requiring physical strength, physical strength is better.

Which is fundamentally better? That is my question.
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6/29/2011 6:38:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'd say their equal.

Why have the brains if you can't act on your ideas?
Why have the brawn if you can't finda way to use it?
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6/29/2011 6:41:18 PM
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Why win a debate with logic when I could just punch you in the face?

You're totally right, godsands.
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6/29/2011 6:50:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 6:31:05 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:27:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:26:02 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:12:48 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Better in what respect?

In respects of being in a situation that would suit the needs of being either physically strong, healthy, fit and maintained or being mentally able, equipped, coherent and maintained. Which of within, all is determined by probability. I am not making any specific situations, I am purely going by the fundamentals of which is better to be, physically or mentally better and maintained.

... If you're in a situation requiring mental fitness, mental fitness is better. If you're in a situation requiring physical strength, physical strength is better.

Which is fundamentally better? That is my question.

"Good" and "better" require a purpose, i.e. a frame of reference. Neither is intrinsically "better".
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6/29/2011 7:02:52 PM
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If you had to choose between being physically or mentally handicapped, which would you choose?
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6/29/2011 7:03:22 PM
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At 6/29/2011 6:50:40 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:31:05 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:27:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:26:02 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:12:48 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Better in what respect?

In respects of being in a situation that would suit the needs of being either physically strong, healthy, fit and maintained or being mentally able, equipped, coherent and maintained. Which of within, all is determined by probability. I am not making any specific situations, I am purely going by the fundamentals of which is better to be, physically or mentally better and maintained.

... If you're in a situation requiring mental fitness, mental fitness is better. If you're in a situation requiring physical strength, physical strength is better.

Which is fundamentally better? That is my question.

"Good" and "better" require a purpose, i.e. a frame of reference. Neither is intrinsically "better".

Right, I am going right off track here, but I'm just going to say it. "But the universe doesn't require a purpose?". I just thought that if 'good' and 'better' require purpose, then the universe must also.
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6/29/2011 7:04:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 7:03:22 PM, GodSands wrote:
Right, I am going right off track here, but I'm just going to say it. "But the universe doesn't require a purpose?". I just thought that if 'good' and 'better' require purpose, then the universe must also.

You're opening a can of nihilistic worms dude.
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6/29/2011 7:05:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 7:03:22 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:50:40 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:31:05 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:27:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:26:02 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:12:48 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Better in what respect?

In respects of being in a situation that would suit the needs of being either physically strong, healthy, fit and maintained or being mentally able, equipped, coherent and maintained. Which of within, all is determined by probability. I am not making any specific situations, I am purely going by the fundamentals of which is better to be, physically or mentally better and maintained.

... If you're in a situation requiring mental fitness, mental fitness is better. If you're in a situation requiring physical strength, physical strength is better.

Which is fundamentally better? That is my question.

"Good" and "better" require a purpose, i.e. a frame of reference. Neither is intrinsically "better".

Right, I am going right off track here, but I'm just going to say it. "But the universe doesn't require a purpose?". I just thought that if 'good' and 'better' require purpose, then the universe must also.

Muahaha, you fell right into his trap!
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6/29/2011 7:15:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 7:03:22 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:50:40 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:31:05 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:27:53 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
... If you're in a situation requiring mental fitness, mental fitness is better. If you're in a situation requiring physical strength, physical strength is better.

Which is fundamentally better? That is my question.

"Good" and "better" require a purpose, i.e. a frame of reference. Neither is intrinsically "better".

Right, I am going right off track here, but I'm just going to say it. "But the universe doesn't require a purpose?".

No. It neither requires nor has a purpose. Even if God existed, the nihilist thesis would remain intact. The purpose that God has for his creation is as subjective as the purpose that the creation sets for itself--the only difference is the power differential between the creator and the creation.

Apart from the metaphysical status of "purpose", you've also failed to warrant the notion that "purpose" is a prerequisite to existence.

I just thought that if 'good' and 'better' require purpose, then the universe must also.

You're drawing a blatantly false comparison. When I say that "good" and "better" require purpose, I'm looking at value subjectivity. The property of goodness isn't intrinsic to objects--it's the product of an agent's evaluation. To say that something is "good" begs the question "good at/for what?"

Moreover, equating "purpose" in the former since with "purpose" in the latter (universal) sense gets you nowhere, because it forces you to admit subjectivity, which in turn forces you to concede the nihilist thesis.

Finally, all of that is irrelevant anyway because your contention is a non sequitur. Universal purpose does not directly follow from the necessity of a standard of judgment for "goodness".
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6/29/2011 7:17:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
To tie that back to the question, neither strength of mind nor strength of body is intrinsically superior. Whether one is better depends on what your goals are; however, even positing a standard of judgment relevant to a particular agent, you still aren't making an objective judgment about which is "better" independent of the judge.
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6/29/2011 7:20:32 PM
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At 6/29/2011 7:17:20 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
To tie that back to the question, neither strength of mind nor strength of body is intrinsically superior. Whether one is better depends on what your goals are; however, even positing a standard of judgment relevant to a particular agent, you still aren't making an objective judgment about which is "better" independent of the judge.

I have you tied up and have no chance of escape.
You can choose to:
a) die a horrible, slow, painful death.
b) have your spine damaged in a way which would make you a quadriplegic with no chance of future recovery.
c) have a partial-frontal lobe lobotomy which would reduce your intelligence to below average with no chance of future recovery.

Choose.
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6/29/2011 7:23:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 7:20:32 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 6/29/2011 7:17:20 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
To tie that back to the question, neither strength of mind nor strength of body is intrinsically superior. Whether one is better depends on what your goals are; however, even positing a standard of judgment relevant to a particular agent, you still aren't making an objective judgment about which is "better" independent of the judge.

I have you tied up and have no chance of escape.
You can choose to:
a) die a horrible, slow, painful death.
b) have your spine damaged in a way which would make you a quadriplegic with no chance of future recovery.
c) have a partial-frontal lobe lobotomy which would reduce your intelligence to below average with no chance of future recovery.

Choose.

No matter what, I'm basically a useless pile of crap. I'm either dead, hopelessly paralyzed, or retarded. No matter what, I'll never be having sex again. F*cking surprise me.
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6/29/2011 7:32:21 PM
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At 6/29/2011 7:23:57 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
No matter what, I'm basically a useless pile of crap. I'm either dead, hopelessly paralyzed, or retarded. No matter what, I'll never be having sex again. F*cking surprise me.

Below average intelligence people have sex all the time. It's a fvcking major problem. I'll throw in that you would still be able to maintain an erection in the quadriplegic scenario.
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6/29/2011 7:39:28 PM
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At 6/29/2011 7:32:21 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 6/29/2011 7:23:57 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
No matter what, I'm basically a useless pile of crap. I'm either dead, hopelessly paralyzed, or retarded. No matter what, I'll never be having sex again. F*cking surprise me.

Below average intelligence people have sex all the time. It's a fvcking major problem.

Retarded people tend to not have sex. Literally retarded, mind you.

I'll throw in that you would still be able to maintain an erection in the quadriplegic scenario.

Would I still be able to get chicks as a quadriplegic? If so, I'd opt for that.
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6/29/2011 7:48:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 7:39:28 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 7:32:21 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 6/29/2011 7:23:57 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
No matter what, I'm basically a useless pile of crap. I'm either dead, hopelessly paralyzed, or retarded. No matter what, I'll never be having sex again. F*cking surprise me.

Below average intelligence people have sex all the time. It's a fvcking major problem.

Retarded people tend to not have sex. Literally retarded, mind you.

I'll throw in that you would still be able to maintain an erection in the quadriplegic scenario.

Would I still be able to get chicks as a quadriplegic? If so, I'd opt for that.

There are always prostitutes.
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6/29/2011 8:00:04 PM
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At 6/29/2011 6:26:02 PM, GodSands wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:12:48 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Better in what respect?

In respects of being in a situation that would suit the needs of being either physically strong, healthy, fit and maintained or being mentally able, equipped, coherent and maintained. Which of within, all is determined by probability. I am not making any specific situations, I am purely going by the fundamentals of which is better to be, physically or mentally better and maintained.

Well, that still depends upon the situation. One situation might necessitate the use of physical strength, the other mental ability, and finally the third situation, both.
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6/29/2011 8:01:37 PM
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At 6/29/2011 7:48:37 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/29/2011 7:39:28 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/29/2011 7:32:21 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 6/29/2011 7:23:57 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
No matter what, I'm basically a useless pile of crap. I'm either dead, hopelessly paralyzed, or retarded. No matter what, I'll never be having sex again. F*cking surprise me.

Below average intelligence people have sex all the time. It's a fvcking major problem.

Retarded people tend to not have sex. Literally retarded, mind you.
If they're "literally retarded", then I guess they can't do anything, not even maintain the proper pose during intercourse.

I'll throw in that you would still be able to maintain an erection in the quadriplegic scenario.

Would I still be able to get chicks as a quadriplegic? If so, I'd opt for that.

There are always prostitutes.
Unless if they are desperate for cash.
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6/29/2011 8:20:29 PM
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At 6/29/2011 6:10:46 PM, GodSands wrote:
Being physically strong and maintained is sufficiently better than being mentally able and maintained?

What are you views?

I am planning to debate this threads' very title.

The strong person probably gets all the chicks v.s the guy who is looking for the cure to cancers.
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6/29/2011 8:22:29 PM
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At 6/29/2011 8:20:29 PM, tudaloo wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:10:46 PM, GodSands wrote:
Being physically strong and maintained is sufficiently better than being mentally able and maintained?

What are you views?

I am planning to debate this threads' very title.

The strong person probably gets all the chicks v.s the guy who is looking for the cure to cancers.

Strength is only a small thing that girls are attractive to. Plus girls have different preferences in males.
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6/29/2011 8:24:35 PM
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A stronger argument could be made for physical health, imo. Strength seems to be generally of secondary importance in modern society.
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6/29/2011 8:25:08 PM
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At 6/29/2011 8:22:29 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/29/2011 8:20:29 PM, tudaloo wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:10:46 PM, GodSands wrote:
Being physically strong and maintained is sufficiently better than being mentally able and maintained?

What are you views?

I am planning to debate this threads' very title.

The strong person probably gets all the chicks v.s the guy who is looking for the cure to cancers.

Strength is only a small thing that girls are attractive to. Plus girls have different preferences in males.

defiantly true. That's why farmer girls are the way to go.
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6/29/2011 8:25:59 PM
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At 6/29/2011 8:25:08 PM, tudaloo wrote:
At 6/29/2011 8:22:29 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/29/2011 8:20:29 PM, tudaloo wrote:
At 6/29/2011 6:10:46 PM, GodSands wrote:
Being physically strong and maintained is sufficiently better than being mentally able and maintained?

What are you views?

I am planning to debate this threads' very title.

The strong person probably gets all the chicks v.s the guy who is looking for the cure to cancers.

Strength is only a small thing that girls are attractive to. Plus girls have different preferences in males.

defiantly true. That's why farmer girls are the way to go or a blue collar chick if you live in the cities.
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6/30/2011 6:59:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/29/2011 6:10:46 PM, GodSands wrote:
Being physically strong and maintained is sufficiently better than being mentally able and maintained?

What are you views?

I am planning to debate this threads' very title.

If I had a 75/25 percent split between mental abiltiy and physical strength... I would much rather have 75% mental ability, instead of 75% physical strength. Being physically strong falls short if you do't have the mental ability to use it wisely. Martial artists support my stance.
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