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10/16/2010 8:40:52 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
London, Oct 15 (IANS) Cancer is a man-made disease triggered by the excesses of modern life, says a new study.

Tumours were rare until recent times when pollution and poor diet became issues, the review of mummies, fossils and classical literature has found.

Despite slivers of tissue from hundreds of Egyptian mummies being rehydrated, just one case of cancer has been confirmed, reports the journal Nature Reviews Cancer.

And references to cancer-like problems in ancient Egyptian texts are more likely to have been caused by leprosy or varicose veins, according to the Daily Mail.

Michael Zimmerman, the visiting professor at the Manchester University, Britain, said: 'The virtual absence of malignancies in mummies must be interpreted as indicating their rarity in antiquity.'

'This indicates that cancer-causing factors are limited to societies affected by modern industrialisation.'

Co-researcher Professor Rosalie David said: 'There is nothing in the natural environment that can cause cancer. So it has to be down to pollution and changes to diet and lifestyle.'

'The important thing about our study is that it gives a historical perspective to this disease.'

'Data from across the millennia has given modern society a clear message - cancer is man-made and something that we can and should address,' David said.

So my question is... Why is it hereditary then? Why are the chances of procuring this disease high if your parents/grandparents had it?
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10/16/2010 9:44:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/16/2010 8:40:52 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:
London, Oct 15 (IANS) Cancer is a man-made disease triggered by the excesses of modern life, says a new study.

Tumours were rare until recent times when pollution and poor diet became issues, the review of mummies, fossils and classical literature has found.

Despite slivers of tissue from hundreds of Egyptian mummies being rehydrated, just one case of cancer has been confirmed, reports the journal Nature Reviews Cancer.

And references to cancer-like problems in ancient Egyptian texts are more likely to have been caused by leprosy or varicose veins, according to the Daily Mail.

Michael Zimmerman, the visiting professor at the Manchester University, Britain, said: 'The virtual absence of malignancies in mummies must be interpreted as indicating their rarity in antiquity.'

'This indicates that cancer-causing factors are limited to societies affected by modern industrialisation.'

Co-researcher Professor Rosalie David said: 'There is nothing in the natural environment that can cause cancer. So it has to be down to pollution and changes to diet and lifestyle.'

'The important thing about our study is that it gives a historical perspective to this disease.'

'Data from across the millennia has given modern society a clear message - cancer is man-made and something that we can and should address,' David said.

So my question is... Why is it hereditary then?

Because it isn't 'man-made'. It is primarily a genetic disease that hasn't been 'created', and I doubt this study has much credibility... Although the rarity of Cancer has gone down, and many Cancers are being inflamed by poor choices, this is still a serious genetic disease which has been studied and observed for hundreds of years!

Why are the chances of procuring this disease high if your parents/grandparents had it?

Because if your parents had it, and your grandparents did too, then you will have a higher chance of being diagnosed as well. My mother had Ovarian Cancer and so did my grandmother, and guess what? I was diagnosed. It's very simple to understand. Most varieties of this disease are genetic and while sometimes they aren't as serious, they will always be there.

Personally, I take care of my body as much as I can through exercise and eating healthy. But my cancer hasn't got any better. It's life, you get the genetics that are passed down and you deal with it. But this notion that cancer is 'man-made' is absolute crap.
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10/16/2010 9:49:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/16/2010 9:44:59 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 10/16/2010 8:40:52 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:
London, Oct 15 (IANS) Cancer is a man-made disease triggered by the excesses of modern life, says a new study.

Tumours were rare until recent times when pollution and poor diet became issues, the review of mummies, fossils and classical literature has found.

Despite slivers of tissue from hundreds of Egyptian mummies being rehydrated, just one case of cancer has been confirmed, reports the journal Nature Reviews Cancer.

And references to cancer-like problems in ancient Egyptian texts are more likely to have been caused by leprosy or varicose veins, according to the Daily Mail.

Michael Zimmerman, the visiting professor at the Manchester University, Britain, said: 'The virtual absence of malignancies in mummies must be interpreted as indicating their rarity in antiquity.'

'This indicates that cancer-causing factors are limited to societies affected by modern industrialisation.'

Co-researcher Professor Rosalie David said: 'There is nothing in the natural environment that can cause cancer. So it has to be down to pollution and changes to diet and lifestyle.'

'The important thing about our study is that it gives a historical perspective to this disease.'

'Data from across the millennia has given modern society a clear message - cancer is man-made and something that we can and should address,' David said.

So my question is... Why is it hereditary then?

Because it isn't 'man-made'. It is primarily a genetic disease that hasn't been 'created', and I doubt this study has much credibility... Although the rarity of Cancer has gone down, and many Cancers are being inflamed by poor choices, this is still a serious genetic disease which has been studied and observed for hundreds of years!

Why are the chances of procuring this disease high if your parents/grandparents had it?

Because if your parents had it, and your grandparents did too, then you will have a higher chance of being diagnosed as well. My mother had Ovarian Cancer and so did my grandmother, and guess what? I was diagnosed. It's very simple to understand. Most varieties of this disease are genetic and while sometimes they aren't as serious, they will always be there.

Personally, I take care of my body as much as I can through exercise and eating healthy. But my cancer hasn't got any better. It's life, you get the genetics that are passed down and you deal with it. But this notion that cancer is 'man-made' is absolute crap.

I heard this report on the radio and thought as you Ann. The conclusion and how they reached it seemed like a massive reach to me.
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10/17/2010 7:19:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/16/2010 9:44:59 AM, annhasle wrote:
Personally, I take care of my body as much as I can through exercise and eating healthy. But my cancer hasn't got any better. It's life, you get the genetics that are passed down and you deal with it. But this notion that cancer is 'man-made' is absolute crap.

When did you get diagnosed?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/17/2010 8:49:58 AM
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Some times its genetic, sometimes its environmental (the man made environment), its the simple replacement, repeating, deleting, adding, or the jamming of a codon sequence and the solution is a virus that contains human DNA.
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10/17/2010 9:01:11 AM
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lol, your use of "man-made" is very misleading, you make it sounds like it's bioengineered ebola-smallpox. However, I whole heartedly agree the rates of cancer today are due to current lifestyle but same goes for the "black death" and new world influenza.
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10/17/2010 9:14:25 AM
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How many bodies did the examine? Get a percentage, and compare it to the percentage of cancer patients out of the worlds total population.
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10/17/2010 9:15:46 AM
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At 10/16/2010 9:44:59 AM, annhasle wrote:

So my question is... Why is it hereditary then?

Because it isn't 'man-made'. It is primarily a genetic disease that hasn't been 'created', and I doubt this study has much credibility... Although the rarity of Cancer has gone down, and many Cancers are being inflamed by poor choices, this is still a serious genetic disease which has been studied and observed for hundreds of years!
Cancer as a whole is really, really not primarilyy hereditary. Though your susceptibility to free radicals and ribosome mutation is genetic the primary cause is lifestyle, for example lung or liver cancer. Exceptions being leukemis and cances affecting the sexual organs.

Why are the chances of procuring this disease high if your parents/grandparents had it?

Because if your parents had it, and your grandparents did too, then you will have a higher chance of being diagnosed as well. My mother had Ovarian Cancer and so did my grandmother, and guess what? I was diagnosed. It's very simple to understand. Most varieties of this disease are genetic and while sometimes they aren't as serious, they will always be there.
Most forms of cancer are sporadic not hereditary. FACT.

Personally, I take care of my body as much as I can through exercise and eating healthy. But my cancer hasn't got any better. It's life, you get the genetics that are passed down and you deal with it. But this notion that cancer is 'man-made' is absolute crap.
Please understand that though your family has been hurt by this disease, it's not a reason to make intuitive arguments or assertions which are medically incorrect.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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10/17/2010 9:15:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/17/2010 7:19:00 AM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/16/2010 9:44:59 AM, annhasle wrote:
Personally, I take care of my body as much as I can through exercise and eating healthy. But my cancer hasn't got any better. It's life, you get the genetics that are passed down and you deal with it. But this notion that cancer is 'man-made' is absolute crap.

When did you get diagnosed?

I was diagnosed with Cancer when I was 14. And this year I was re - diagnosed with Ovarian Phase 4 cancer.
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10/18/2010 8:07:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/17/2010 9:15:49 AM, annhasle wrote:
I was diagnosed with Cancer when I was 14. And this year I was re - diagnosed with Ovarian Phase 4 cancer.

I'm so sorry :( It's your first relapse though, are you undergoing treatment? My aunt was diagnosed with Ovarian cancer just this past summer, also stage IV.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/18/2010 8:09:44 PM
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At 10/18/2010 8:07:59 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/17/2010 9:15:49 AM, annhasle wrote:
I was diagnosed with Cancer when I was 14. And this year I was re - diagnosed with Ovarian Phase 4 cancer.

I'm so sorry :( It's your first relapse though, are you undergoing treatment? My aunt was diagnosed with Ovarian cancer just this past summer, also stage IV.

Kind of. I also have heart defects and an immuno-deficiency so they can't perform surgery or give me chemotherapy. So... Just hoping for the best at this point.
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10/18/2010 8:14:30 PM
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At 10/17/2010 9:15:46 AM, Zetsubou wrote:: Cancer as a whole is really, really not primarilyy hereditary. Though your susceptibility to free radicals and ribosome mutation is genetic the primary cause is lifestyle, for example lung or liver cancer. Exceptions being leukemis and cances affecting the sexual organs.

The vast majority of cancers happen to be the ones associated with the sexual organs. Breast Cancer, Ovarian Cancer, Testicular Cancer, Prostate Cancer, etc. And these are very heavily hereditary in incidence.

Lung and Liver cancer make up a very small percentage of overall cancers. It's safe to say that Cancer has "unknown" etiology, but if you're going by what we know, the vast majority of cancers have heavier leaning towards genetic factors, not environmental.

Most forms of cancer are sporadic not hereditary. FACT.

Re-check your facts. Sporadic and hereditary are not mutually exclusive when you talk about cancer.

Please understand that though your family has been hurt by this disease, it's not a reason to make intuitive arguments or assertions which are medically incorrect.

See above.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/18/2010 8:24:39 PM
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At 10/18/2010 8:09:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:07:59 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/17/2010 9:15:49 AM, annhasle wrote:
I was diagnosed with Cancer when I was 14. And this year I was re - diagnosed with Ovarian Phase 4 cancer.

I'm so sorry :( It's your first relapse though, are you undergoing treatment? My aunt was diagnosed with Ovarian cancer just this past summer, also stage IV.

Kind of. I also have heart defects and an immuno-deficiency so they can't perform surgery or give me chemotherapy. So... Just hoping for the best at this point.

Is the immuno-deficiency due to previous chemo or did you have it before? My aunt is on filgrastim and antibiotics to help with the immuno-deficiency she got from her chemo so that she can continue with the chemo.

Have you tried seeking medical help from other doctors or hospitals? Sometimes, doctors can be really cold-hearted or uncaring. They can be more afraid of malpractice than they are concerned with helping their patients heal. When my aunt was diagnosed, they told her that they couldn't do anything. They were just going to let her die. But then we had her transferred over to a better hospital, the second best cancer hospital in the country, and not only did they try, but they told us that the tumors are actually shrinking.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/18/2010 8:31:20 PM
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At 10/18/2010 8:24:39 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:09:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 10/18/2010 8:07:59 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/17/2010 9:15:49 AM, annhasle wrote:
I was diagnosed with Cancer when I was 14. And this year I was re - diagnosed with Ovarian Phase 4 cancer.

I'm so sorry :( It's your first relapse though, are you undergoing treatment? My aunt was diagnosed with Ovarian cancer just this past summer, also stage IV.

Kind of. I also have heart defects and an immuno-deficiency so they can't perform surgery or give me chemotherapy. So... Just hoping for the best at this point.

Is the immuno-deficiency due to previous chemo or did you have it before? My aunt is on filgrastim and antibiotics to help with the immuno-deficiency she got from her chemo so that she can continue with the chemo.

No, I was born with it. -___-

Have you tried seeking medical help from other doctors or hospitals? Sometimes, doctors can be really cold-hearted or uncaring. They can be more afraid of malpractice than they are concerned with helping their patients heal. When my aunt was diagnosed, they told her that they couldn't do anything. They were just going to let her die. But then we had her transferred over to a better hospital, the second best cancer hospital in the country, and not only did they try, but they told us that the tumors are actually shrinking.

I've been in twelve different hospitals this year and have flown between America, Canada and Germany multiple times to meet specialists. Some say I won't live past 25, others say they can cure it and others simply have no idea. It's spread to my other organs which is the main problem. But I'm dedicated to beating it no matter what, so I'll do whatever I can. Let me tell ya, it definitely puts your priorities in order. Lol ;)
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10/19/2010 5:08:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
RE: References

At 10/18/2010 8:14:30 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/17/2010 9:15:46 AM, Zetsubou wrote:: Cancer as a whole is really, really not primarilyy hereditary. Though your susceptibility to free radicals and ribosome mutation is genetic the primary cause is lifestyle, for example lung or liver cancer. Exceptions being leukemis and cances affecting the sexual organs.

The vast majority of cancers happen to be the ones associated with the sexual organs. Breast Cancer, Ovarian Cancer, Testicular Cancer, Prostate Cancer, etc. And these are very heavily hereditary in incidence.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...
Cancers are primarily an environmental disease with 90-95% of cases due to lifestyle and environmental factors and 5-10% due to genetics.

Lung and Liver cancer make up a very small percentage of overall cancers. It's safe to say that Cancer has "unknown" etiology, but if you're going by what we know, the vast majority of cancers have heavier leaning towards genetic factors, not environmental.
Lung cancer, the most common cause of cancer-related death in men and women, is responsible for 1.3 million deaths worldwide annually, as of 2004.
http://www.who.int...
World Health Organisation (MOST COMMON)

Also see:
http://www.niehs.nih.gov...

Most forms of cancer are sporadic not hereditary. FACT.

Re-check your facts. Sporadic and hereditary are not mutually exclusive when you talk about cancer.
The above are enough.

Please understand that though your family has been hurt by this disease, it's not a reason to make intuitive arguments or assertions which are medically incorrect.

See above.

lol, silly liberals...
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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10/19/2010 1:54:12 PM
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At 10/19/2010 5:08:43 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
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I don't think I made my point very clear, since the information you posted (which is great data) doesn't pertain to my argument. You create a false dichotomy between genetic and environmental. The fact is that individuals with genetic predisposition are the ones impacted by the environmental effects. Otherwise, all obese people would have cancer according to this source.

Do I deny that cancer is preventable to a moderate degree by lifestyle changes? Absolutely not. However, to say that cancer is, by far, an environmental disease is the result of bad statistics and poor knowledge.

Like I said, sporadic and hereditary are not mutually exclusive. Factors for genetic predisposition, such as the tumor suppressor genes, or a clear family history of a certain cancer are the only ones traceable, that's what makes up the small percentage of "genetic" disorders. When cancer is determined to be "sporadic", it means that there is an unknown etiology.

http://www.cancer.gov...

Note, sporadic basically assigned to any cancer case without a family history or very specific high-risk genes. This is NOT indicative of environmental factors. The terms "sporadic" and "environmental" are not interchangeable.

For the minority of cancers that ARE known to have specific environmental triggers, the categorization of "environmental" doesn't take into account the fact that there may be a genetic predisposition anyway. That's the problem with looking at cancer statistics and making an assumption.

http://www.mskcc.org...

The compiled statistics of this study by Sloan-Kettering shows that the chance of getting lung cancer within 10 years for a 65 year old man who smokes 2 packs a day for 50 years is only 15%. Everyone knows that lung cancer is tied directly to cigarette use, but even such a high usage of cigarettes only warrants 15%?

No. That's absurd. There MUST be something more than environmental concerns. There must be a genetic component we have not discovered. Otherwise, the chance of developing cancer would be far greater, or at least less deviated between two people with similar smoking habits. The fact is, this is not the case.

As for your source about Lung Cancer, yes, it is the highest in incidence and highest in mortality among cancers, but only accounts for about 15% of cancers in general, whereas breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, testicular cancer, etc. all have virtually unknown etiologies and make up a much greater percent of cancer diagnoses compared to lung cancer alone.

So no, it is an incorrect statement to say that the "primary cause" of cancer is lifestyle. It is similarly incorrect to say that it is genetic, but without a predisposing genetic factor IN CONJUNCTION, I doubt environmental factors will matter very much.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/23/2010 10:13:44 PM
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I oppose, 'Cancer is purely a man-made condition'

I do not believe that a disease can be man made. Cancer would have been made from a common cold that has been mutated.
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10/24/2010 8:09:45 AM
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At 10/23/2010 10:13:44 PM, PelicanEre67 wrote:
I oppose, 'Cancer is purely a man-made condition'

I do not believe that a disease can be man made. Cancer would have been made from a common cold that has been mutated.

Cancer isn't a virus.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/26/2010 4:21:27 PM
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At 10/16/2010 8:40:52 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:
London, Oct 15 (IANS) Cancer is a man-made disease triggered by the excesses of modern life, says a new study.

Tumours were rare until recent times when pollution and poor diet became issues, the review of mummies, fossils and classical literature has found.

Despite slivers of tissue from hundreds of Egyptian mummies being rehydrated, just one case of cancer has been confirmed, reports the journal Nature Reviews Cancer.

And references to cancer-like problems in ancient Egyptian texts are more likely to have been caused by leprosy or varicose veins, according to the Daily Mail.

Michael Zimmerman, the visiting professor at the Manchester University, Britain, said: 'The virtual absence of malignancies in mummies must be interpreted as indicating their rarity in antiquity.'

'This indicates that cancer-causing factors are limited to societies affected by modern industrialisation.'

Co-researcher Professor Rosalie David said: 'There is nothing in the natural environment that can cause cancer. So it has to be down to pollution and changes to diet and lifestyle.'

'The important thing about our study is that it gives a historical perspective to this disease.'

'Data from across the millennia has given modern society a clear message - cancer is man-made and something that we can and should address,' David said.

So my question is... Why is it hereditary then? Why are the chances of procuring this disease high if your parents/grandparents had it?

Therein lies a problem with the conclusions of this study. The author denotes that in the mummies he studied tumors were rare, not absent.

Cancer is generally considered a disease of old age, when mutations you have gathered throughout your life finally catch up and cause uncontrolled cell division. Some alleles are more prone to get cancer than others, perhaps because they contain a few base-pairs in which minor changes can de/activate certain metabolic pathways. The mummies in the study did not have long life spans, life expectancy was much lower than. Even if they had genes prone to cancer development, chances are they would not have lived long enough to experience it.

In today's society life span has increased greatly. People are more likely to develop cancer now due to longevity.

As for the claim that there is nothing in the environment to cause cancer a flag should immediately show itself. UV light produced by the sun can cause mutations in skin cells which in turn can cause cancer. Granite is naturally radioactive and with enough exposure can cause mutations.

Mutations are the key to what causes cancer. So as to the article itself, I think it is a interesting study. However, the conclusions are spurious at best and completely wrong with an understanding of cancer itself.
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10/26/2010 4:22:31 PM
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At 10/24/2010 8:09:45 AM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/23/2010 10:13:44 PM, PelicanEre67 wrote:
I oppose, 'Cancer is purely a man-made condition'

I do not believe that a disease can be man made. Cancer would have been made from a common cold that has been mutated.

Cancer isn't a virus.

Cancer may not be a virus but it can be caused by one. All it takes is for the virus to insert its genes into the right location in the genome and cancer can take off.
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5/22/2011 3:00:24 AM
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My mother had cancer and so did her mother (my grandmother). Both were stage three, my mother was diagnosed 1st and made it through.. A year later my grandmother got the same cancer and the same stage and sadly she did not. My mother is a nurse, does not smoke and exercises regulary (shes the healthiest eater I know). I don't think it could be a health related illness unless wine is a factor? my mother and her mother both love wine so hmmm interesting.