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Kleptin
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11/8/2010 7:13:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
So today, we were talking about drug treatments for infertility and contraception, and we were given a slide. It listed a bunch of methods of contraception, including birth control pills, spermicide, male condom, female condom, nothing, and withdrawal. Each one had a percentage efficacy for "average compliance" and "perfect compliance".

They point addressed was how compliance was such an important factor. The chance of unwanted pregnancy for the pill was 8% per year for the average compliance and 0.3% per year if taken perfectly.

I asked the professor "How was the data collected for perfect compliance?" She replied "Usually under supervision by clinical specialists. For example, they made sure that each female patient took her birth control pill at the same time every day".

I got curious.

"So, how did they measure perfect compliance for the withdrawal method?"

The professor totally spaced. The class broke out into laughter. The professor then said "I...just totally lost my train of thought".

After she recovered, she then said "I'm not sure how the data was presented, but I'm fairly certain that these results are fairly accurate".

That brings me to the topic: According to that chart, perfect use of the withdrawal method is not that much worse than perfect use of the male condom.

Comments? Preferences?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
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11/8/2010 7:17:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Class full of laughter, distracted teacher, sounds like a win.

I'm not sure, but I think perfect withdrawl would be a bit harder for most guys to do then just putting on a condom. Maybe if they try both, they will have pretty good luck.
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11/8/2010 7:20:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:13:23 PM, Kleptin wrote:
That brings me to the topic: According to that chart, perfect use of the withdrawal method is not that much worse than perfect use of the male condom.

Comments? Preferences?

Well we can't see the chart, so we don't know the stats regarding each method :p I guess we can take your word for it. Either way, I think the preference here should be the condom over the pulling out method. For one thing, most condoms contain spermicide that are effective at preventing pregnancy as opposed to just hoping semen doesn't get in the wrong place (because the spermicide actually kills it even if it does). For another, I'm pretty sure you can get pregnant from the pre-cum (sorry I can't think of the proper term). And finally, is pulling out comfortable? I've heard that condoms interfere with the sensation, but I can't imagine that they're not preferable to pulling out at the very best part! That seems so sub-par in terms of potential satisfaction. I'd be PISSED if I had to pull out at that very moment lol what a bummer.
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11/8/2010 7:24:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:13:23 PM, Kleptin wrote:
So today, we were talking about drug treatments for infertility and contraception, and we were given a slide. It listed a bunch of methods of contraception, including birth control pills, spermicide, male condom, female condom, nothing, and withdrawal. Each one had a percentage efficacy for "average compliance" and "perfect compliance".

They point addressed was how compliance was such an important factor. The chance of unwanted pregnancy for the pill was 8% per year for the average compliance and 0.3% per year if taken perfectly.

I asked the professor "How was the data collected for perfect compliance?" She replied "Usually under supervision by clinical specialists. For example, they made sure that each female patient took her birth control pill at the same time every day".

I got curious.

"So, how did they measure perfect compliance for the withdrawal method?"

The professor totally spaced. The class broke out into laughter. The professor then said "I...just totally lost my train of thought".

After she recovered, she then said "I'm not sure how the data was presented, but I'm fairly certain that these results are fairly accurate".

That brings me to the topic: According to that chart, perfect use of the withdrawal method is not that much worse than perfect use of the male condom.

Comments? Preferences?

Never had the will power to pull out= three kids. Best birth control is wait till she is pregnant. No worries there. Condoms suck, if they even work.

I won't go into the planned menstrual cycle thing, don't know much about and I didn't end up needing it. Wife had hysterectomy, yeah, took out the baby maker and left the play pen.
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11/8/2010 7:41:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:20:18 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Well we can't see the chart, so we don't know the stats regarding each method :p I guess we can take your word for it. Either way, I think the preference here should be the condom over the pulling out method. For one thing, most condoms contain spermicide that are effective at preventing pregnancy as opposed to just hoping semen doesn't get in the wrong place (because the spermicide actually kills it even if it does). For another, I'm pretty sure you can get pregnant from the pre-cum (sorry I can't think of the proper term). And finally, is pulling out comfortable? I've heard that condoms interfere with the sensation, but I can't imagine that they're not preferable to pulling out at the very best part! That seems so sub-par in terms of potential satisfaction. I'd be PISSED if I had to pull out at that very moment lol what a bummer.

The pre-cum actually contains no sperm. It's actually a buffer solution used to regulate the pH of the vagina, which is hostile to sperm. The benefit to the condom is that it just feels nicer to finish up inside, but the overall pleasure is severely dulled, for both parties. The friction contributes a lot to the pleasure, condoms really ruin the fun.

Pulling out isn't that bad. Finish up by hand or orally, if she's willing. There are pros and cons.

Birth control pills are actually really safe and are actually good for your health in the long run, and have the benefits of both. The problem is that they alter a girl's preference for mates permanently, in terms of scent.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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11/8/2010 7:41:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:24:42 PM, jharry wrote:
Never had the will power to pull out= three kids. Best birth control is wait till she is pregnant. No worries there. Condoms suck, if they even work.

I won't go into the planned menstrual cycle thing, don't know much about and I didn't end up needing it. Wife had hysterectomy, yeah, took out the baby maker and left the play pen.

If your wife has had a hysterectomy, is it still religiously OK for you to have sex?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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11/8/2010 7:50:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:41:58 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 11/8/2010 7:24:42 PM, jharry wrote:
Never had the will power to pull out= three kids. Best birth control is wait till she is pregnant. No worries there. Condoms suck, if they even work.

I won't go into the planned menstrual cycle thing, don't know much about and I didn't end up needing it. Wife had hysterectomy, yeah, took out the baby maker and left the play pen.

If your wife has had a hysterectomy, is it still religiously OK for you to have sex?

Yes. If we still remain open to children. Or, no alternative sex. Couldn't think of a nicer way to put it. In here Faith there is nothing wrong with birth control. In mine there is. So burden is on me, but she aint done with other forms of sex so no biggie. There is nothing wrong with having that surgery if health is affected and no baby in process. And neither of us considered God at that time. She had it because of extreme pain during sex in certain positions, didn't help a whole lot though. I think doc said there was a lot of scar tissue built p on it, three kids in row and no break took a toll I guess. But no, nothing wrong with it religiously still open to childbirth.
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11/8/2010 7:50:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:41:15 PM, Kleptin wrote:
The pre-cum actually contains no sperm. It's actually a buffer solution used to regulate the pH of the vagina, which is hostile to sperm.

Gotcha. I'm pretty sure pre-cum could still spreads STDs though.

The benefit to the condom is that it just feels nicer to finish up inside, but the overall pleasure is severely dulled, for both parties. The friction contributes a lot to the pleasure, condoms really ruin the fun.

Fortunately I don't have to make this choice lol. But I've seen the texture of condoms - especially the extra sensitive ones - and they don't seem like they would interfere with the friction/pleasure aspect at all. The only thing that would annoy me is the whole putting the condom on right as you get turned on part; that seems like it could be awkward and interfere with the mood (though if I were having straight sex, I'd still put on the damn condom).

Pulling out isn't that bad. Finish up by hand or orally, if she's willing. There are pros and cons.

The whole point of sex is to not have to finish by hand or orally though, amirite? Of course there are pros and cons to not finishing inside but I just don't think I'd have the willpower or desire if I were a guy.

Birth control pills are actually really safe and are actually good for your health in the long run, and have the benefits of both. The problem is that they alter a girl's preference for mates permanently, in terms of scent.

Srsly? I've heard all kinds of bad things about birth control (not just that it makes you gain weight) including but not limited to alterations with your hormones that affect your menstrual cycle, interfering with other medication (duh), sometimes abnormal bleeding, etc. Though once again this is something I thankfully don't have to worry about :p I'm glad to hear it for all my friends though :) It seems like just about every girl I know is on BC.
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11/8/2010 7:55:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:13:23 PM, Kleptin wrote:
That brings me to the topic: According to that chart, perfect use of the withdrawal method is not that much worse than perfect use of the male condom.

Comments? Preferences?

Ultimately my preference would be to be in a situation where my partner and I could freely give birth to as many children as we desired.
In the real world, I'd rather put a condom on when I was close to blast-off. That way I get the best of both worlds. Out of hundreds and hundreds of times I might have fvcked up that up on half a dozen occasions. I'd waste a lot of condoms though. Those bastardly things can be hard to unroll in hurry amirite?
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11/8/2010 7:57:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:55:54 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/8/2010 7:13:23 PM, Kleptin wrote:
That brings me to the topic: According to that chart, perfect use of the withdrawal method is not that much worse than perfect use of the male condom.

Comments? Preferences?

Ultimately my preference would be to be in a situation where my partner and I could freely give birth to as many children as we desired.
In the real world, I'd rather put a condom on when I was close to blast-off. That way I get the best of both worlds. Out of hundreds and hundreds of times I might have fvcked up that up on half a dozen occasions. I'd waste a lot of condoms though. Those bastardly things can be hard to unroll in hurry amirite?

And like L said, they can be a real kill joy. Have you ever read the serial number on a condom?
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11/8/2010 8:23:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:50:42 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Gotcha. I'm pretty sure pre-cum could still spreads STDs though.

Yep.

Fortunately I don't have to make this choice lol. But I've seen the texture of condoms - especially the extra sensitive ones - and they don't seem like they would interfere with the friction/pleasure aspect at all.

I have yet to try those...

The only thing that would annoy me is the whole putting the condom on right as you get turned on part; that seems like it could be awkward and interfere with the mood (though if I were having straight sex, I'd still put on the damn condom).

That's the worst part of it. I actually prefer the spontaneity and the overall pleasure over finishing inside. The awkwardness of wrapping up takes away too much from that.

The whole point of sex is to not have to finish by hand or orally though, amirite? Of course there are pros and cons to not finishing inside but I just don't think I'd have the willpower or desire if I were a guy.

For me, it's the skin contact, both outside and in. Orgasms kind of feel the same either way.

Srsly? I've heard all kinds of bad things about birth control (not just that it makes you gain weight) including but not limited to alterations with your hormones that affect your menstrual cycle

Actually, the hormones that you take are metabolized within days. You go back to your normal cycles almost immediately. That's actually why you're told not to miss any doses. You could be taking the pill for 5 years straight and your hormone levels will normalize in just a few days.

interfering with other medication (duh)

You'd be surprised. There are a few interactions, but they actually interfere with fewer drugs than aspirin.

sometimes abnormal bleeding, etc.

Only in the beginning. After 2-3 cycles of the pills, you won't have any spotting.

Though once again this is something I thankfully don't have to worry about :p I'm glad to hear it for all my friends though :) It seems like just about every girl I know is on BC.

Actually, this might concern you, oral contraceptives are used for a variety of things. Would you like to (reversibly) stop your periods with no serious side effects and minimal side effects that go away eventually? Lower your risk of ovarian and endometrial cancer? Clear up acne? :O
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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11/8/2010 8:25:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/8/2010 7:55:54 PM, tvellalott wrote:
In the real world, I'd rather put a condom on when I was close to blast-off. That way I get the best of both worlds. Out of hundreds and hundreds of times I might have fvcked up that up on half a dozen occasions. I'd waste a lot of condoms though. Those bastardly things can be hard to unroll in hurry amirite?

Now there's an idea...
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.