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lewis20
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1/28/2011 12:08:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I live in a college town and they've banned smoking from the following
-public places
-places of employment. This includes all businesses,
restaurants, bars, and private clubs.
-outdoor seating areas at restaurants and bars and public places

A hookah bar would be a great business to start here (40,000+ college kids)

I'm inclined to believe that most people agree local government shouldn't be able to tell a private business they can't allow smoking.
I'm looking for thoughts and ideas on getting around the ordinance.
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1/28/2011 12:30:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/28/2011 12:08:37 AM, lewis20 wrote:
I'm looking for thoughts and ideas on getting around the ordinance.

Electronic cigarettes.
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1/28/2011 12:38:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
For a Hookah bar
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1/28/2011 12:42:13 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/28/2011 12:38:04 AM, lewis20 wrote:
For a Hookah bar

I was under the impression that these bans typically do not cover places that are who specialize/sell in tobacco. That's how some bars have been able to avoid that ban in the past.
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1/28/2011 12:46:41 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/28/2011 12:42:13 AM, Sam_Lowry wrote:
At 1/28/2011 12:38:04 AM, lewis20 wrote:
For a Hookah bar

I was under the impression that these bans typically do not cover places that are who specialize/sell in tobacco. That's how some bars have been able to avoid that ban in the past.

From what I understand only tobacco shops are exempt, however they can't serve food or drink. Thats one of the avenues I'm exploring.
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1/30/2011 12:58:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/28/2011 12:08:37 AM, lewis20 wrote:
I live in a college town and they've banned smoking from the following
-public places
-places of employment. This includes all businesses,
restaurants, bars, and private clubs.
-outdoor seating areas at restaurants and bars and public places

A hookah bar would be a great business to start here (40,000+ college kids)

I'm inclined to believe that most people agree local government shouldn't be able to tell a private business they can't allow smoking.
I'm looking for thoughts and ideas on getting around the ordinance.

transfer to UNT... there's a hookah bar on campus....
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1/30/2011 3:31:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm totally going to get attacked for this...but I support those bans. Oftentimes, too many people are exposed to second-hand smoke against their will and often it's not as simple as just "walking away", considering it travels through the air. People can smoke on their own private property(their home, yard, etc.), but when you're out around other people, especially children, smoking isn't really a good thing to be doing. I'm sure many people would also find it very unappitizing to walk into a restaurant only to see everybody smoking.
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1/30/2011 5:35:58 PM
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At 1/30/2011 3:31:29 PM, HatedeatH wrote:
I'm totally going to get attacked for this...but I support those bans. Oftentimes, too many people are exposed to second-hand smoke against their will and often it's not as simple as just "walking away", considering it travels through the air.:

I agree that secondhand smoke is disgusting, and we certainly benefit from the ordinance. But the rightness of the situation should be analyzed. A private establishment should be allowed to operate it's own business the way it wants. It should be the people's decision to decide whether or not they want to eat in a smoke-filled room.

It may very well not even need government interference to affect change. Because of the smoke-filled environment, they may lose a lot of business which could prompt them to ban smoking themselves, without the least bit of government interference.

The bottom line though is that a private business should be allowed to provide a smoke-friendly environment if they want to. It should be their prerogative, just like it's your prerogative to choose to dine there.

People can smoke on their own private property(their home, yard, etc.), but when you're out around other people, especially children, smoking isn't really a good thing to be doing. I'm sure many people would also find it very unappitizing to walk into a restaurant only to see everybody smoking.:

So walk out and take your business elsewhere.
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1/30/2011 6:04:57 PM
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I hate those dicckheads on campus who smoke right outside the doors. I'm all for natural selection but for petes sake don't drag me down with you.
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1/30/2011 8:56:51 PM
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At 1/30/2011 6:04:57 PM, askbob wrote:
I hate those dicckheads on campus who smoke right outside the doors. I'm all for natural selection but for petes sake don't drag me down with you.

heeeyyyy...i'm one of those guys :( pity meeee...
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1/30/2011 9:00:08 PM
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At 1/30/2011 6:04:57 PM, askbob wrote:
I hate those dicckheads on campus who smoke right outside the doors. I'm all for natural selection but for petes sake don't drag me down with you.

also.. it's partly your pussyness that's killing you.. seeing as you're allowing it to go on... weeding out the weak! :P
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1/30/2011 9:11:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/30/2011 3:31:29 PM, HatedeatH wrote:
I'm totally going to get attacked for this...but I support those bans. Oftentimes, too many people are exposed to second-hand smoke against their will and often it's not as simple as just "walking away", considering it travels through the air. People can smoke on their own private property(their home, yard, etc.), but when you're out around other people, especially children, smoking isn't really a good thing to be doing. I'm sure many people would also find it very unappitizing to walk into a restaurant only to see everybody smoking.

A hookah bar is a place you go specifically to smoke, so yes it is as simple as not going there.
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1/30/2011 9:16:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
might be tough... my college town was the same way, and they had some convoluted city code that made it virtually (or perhaps explicitly, i don't remember) illegal to open a hookah bar within city limits.

if you don't wanna smoke, don't, but ffs, don't ban other people from doing it, especially in designated areas where no one who didn't want to smoke would go...
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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1/31/2011 2:11:54 AM
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The possible loopholes
Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter to the contrary, the following areas shall not be subject to the smoking restrictions of this chapter
(I) Private residences, except when used as a child care, adult day care or health care facility.
(2) Twenty-five percent (25%) of hotel and motel rooms rented to guests.
(3) Retail tobacco store

Heres the ordinance itself for anyone interested.
http://www.smokefreebloomington.org...
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1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/30/2011 9:11:16 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/30/2011 3:31:29 PM, HatedeatH wrote:
I'm totally going to get attacked for this...but I support those bans. Oftentimes, too many people are exposed to second-hand smoke against their will and often it's not as simple as just "walking away", considering it travels through the air. People can smoke on their own private property(their home, yard, etc.), but when you're out around other people, especially children, smoking isn't really a good thing to be doing. I'm sure many people would also find it very unappitizing to walk into a restaurant only to see everybody smoking.

A hookah bar is a place you go specifically to smoke, so yes it is as simple as not going there.

fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.
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1/31/2011 2:24:43 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
At 1/30/2011 9:11:16 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/30/2011 3:31:29 PM, HatedeatH wrote:
I'm totally going to get attacked for this...but I support those bans. Oftentimes, too many people are exposed to second-hand smoke against their will and often it's not as simple as just "walking away", considering it travels through the air. People can smoke on their own private property(their home, yard, etc.), but when you're out around other people, especially children, smoking isn't really a good thing to be doing. I'm sure many people would also find it very unappitizing to walk into a restaurant only to see everybody smoking.

A hookah bar is a place you go specifically to smoke, so yes it is as simple as not going there.

fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

solution: do not enter a business that allows smoking. solved!
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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1/31/2011 2:26:03 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
At 1/30/2011 9:11:16 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/30/2011 3:31:29 PM, HatedeatH wrote:
I'm totally going to get attacked for this...but I support those bans. Oftentimes, too many people are exposed to second-hand smoke against their will and often it's not as simple as just "walking away", considering it travels through the air. People can smoke on their own private property(their home, yard, etc.), but when you're out around other people, especially children, smoking isn't really a good thing to be doing. I'm sure many people would also find it very unappitizing to walk into a restaurant only to see everybody smoking.

A hookah bar is a place you go specifically to smoke, so yes it is as simple as not going there.

fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

Lol, good luck enforcing that...
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1/31/2011 2:26:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/28/2011 12:08:37 AM, lewis20 wrote:
I live in a college town and they've banned smoking from the following
-public places
-places of employment. This includes all businesses,
restaurants, bars, and private clubs.
-outdoor seating areas at restaurants and bars and public places

A hookah bar would be a great business to start here (40,000+ college kids)

I'm inclined to believe that most people agree local government shouldn't be able to tell a private business they can't allow smoking.
I'm looking for thoughts and ideas on getting around the ordinance.

WTF?!?!?!?!?! FVCK off government. FVCK off.
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lewis20
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1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air. I do have a problem with telling people how to run their private business and dictating what the business can and can't allow within the confines of its walls.
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1/31/2011 2:27:46 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air.

I have a problem with that.
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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1/31/2011 2:29:47 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air. I do have a problem with telling people how to run their private business and dictating what the business can and can't allow within the confines of its walls.

EXACTLY

Do you understand that there is a difference between PUBLIC and PRIVATE?
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1/31/2011 2:34:56 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:27:46 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air.

I have a problem with that.

Cig's not the ganj hah
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1/31/2011 2:39:44 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:34:56 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:27:46 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air.

I have a problem with that.

Cig's not the ganj hah

Yup, that too. I smoke cigarettes as well. Think about how such a policy would be enforced... There would be no efficient way. Anyone smoking outside would get fined?
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1/31/2011 2:46:11 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:39:44 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:34:56 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:27:46 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air.

I have a problem with that.

Cig's not the ganj hah

Yup, that too. I smoke cigarettes as well. Think about how such a policy would be enforced... There would be no efficient way. Anyone smoking outside would get fined?

I'm just lookin to get my hookah bar, but since you asked I think public refers to things owned by the city. Buses, city buildings, the university campus etc.
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1/31/2011 2:50:23 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:46:11 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:39:44 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:34:56 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:27:46 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air.

I have a problem with that.

Cig's not the ganj hah

Yup, that too. I smoke cigarettes as well. Think about how such a policy would be enforced... There would be no efficient way. Anyone smoking outside would get fined?

I'm just lookin to get my hookah bar, but since you asked I think public refers to things owned by the city. Buses, city buildings, the university campus etc.

I was referring more to anywhere that the public goes including restaurants, arenas, stores, etc. There can be designated hookah bars for the smokers to go though so everybody can be happy; smokers can have a place to smoke and then all the non-smokers don't have to be upset about second hand smoke.
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1/31/2011 3:14:03 AM
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At 1/31/2011 2:39:44 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:34:56 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:27:46 AM, annhasle wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:26:26 AM, lewis20 wrote:
At 1/31/2011 2:16:54 AM, HatedeatH wrote:
fine, people can smoke in hookah bars, but no other public places. There's just too much potential for everybody else to get exposed to unwanted second-hand smoke. Some people are extremely sensitive to it too.

I don't think anyone has a problem banning smoking in public places as that's infringing on other peoples right to clean air.

I have a problem with that.

Cig's not the ganj hah

Yup, that too. I smoke cigarettes as well. Think about how such a policy would be enforced... There would be no efficient way. Anyone smoking outside would get fined?

That would be BS. I think state owned things (shools, DMVs <fvck them btw>, hospitals etc) shouldn't allow smoking, but private places such as a restaurant, should allow them. Outside is free land.
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1/31/2011 2:17:01 PM
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At 1/30/2011 9:00:08 PM, badger wrote:
At 1/30/2011 6:04:57 PM, askbob wrote:
I hate those dicckheads on campus who smoke right outside the doors. I'm all for natural selection but for petes sake don't drag me down with you.

also.. it's partly your pussyness that's killing you.. seeing as you're allowing it to go on... weeding out the weak! :P

heh! heh!
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3/8/2011 3:08:24 PM
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Why should an employer be forced to make their minimum-wage workers with no health care plan inhale deadly carcinogens as a condition of employment?

Any unpopular carcinogens, that sort of requirement would require hazard duty pay to such employees.

Anyone who forces others to breathe in their secondhand smoke is committing assault. It is no different than slipping roofies in someone's drink or jabbing someone with a needle.
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3/8/2011 3:13:55 PM
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At 3/8/2011 3:08:24 PM, PervRat wrote:
Why should an employer be forced to make their minimum-wage workers with no health care plan inhale deadly carcinogens as a condition of employment?

Any unpopular carcinogens, that sort of requirement would require hazard duty pay to such employees.

Anyone who forces others to breathe in their secondhand smoke is committing assault. It is no different than slipping roofies in someone's drink or jabbing someone with a needle.

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3/9/2011 10:12:36 AM
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At 3/8/2011 3:08:24 PM, PervRat wrote:
Why should an employer be forced to make their minimum-wage workers with no health care plan inhale deadly carcinogens as a condition of employment?

Any business owner can ban smoking without relying on legislation.

Any unpopular carcinogens, that sort of requirement would require hazard duty pay to such employees.

What about popular carcinogens?

Anyone who forces others to breathe in their secondhand smoke is committing assault. It is no different than slipping roofies in someone's drink or jabbing someone with a needle.

It's the same thing as long as the "victim" voluntarily stabs them-self with a needle or knowingly drinks spiked punch that is clearly marked.