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7/10/2012 3:15:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What, in your opinion, was the greatest atrocity committed in human history?

Now I'll have an easy time finding my fellow muckrakers (;
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7/10/2012 6:27:39 PM
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Can we get a standard in here? I suppose total human deaths would be a good one. To that I'd prolly say the establishment of Communism (note not Marxism, but the specific implementation of Communist regimes which weren't actually Marxist).
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7/10/2012 6:29:35 PM
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Well, is this a single event, or how badly people were hurt?

Does it matter the cause?

Because, this could be very broad.....
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7/10/2012 6:58:22 PM
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Ok, let me specify. We'd be talking about a single event. And like the holocaust, it could be a long term event playing out over many years. It doesn't have to be, although if you believe it to be then that is your opinion, a brief but horrific massacre like Mi Lai. You could even cite an entire war if you'd like, but that's as far as it would go. It would have to be a war that was particularly brutal or cost a particularly high amount of civilian lives. An as for what constitutes the "worst", brutality or scope, well that's up to you.
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7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?
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7/10/2012 7:10:19 PM
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Money.
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7/10/2012 7:15:40 PM
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I didn't mean things that have caused atrocities, I mean the atrocities themselves. Although those are all good answers in a broader sense (;
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7/10/2012 7:33:47 PM
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The rise of Communism.
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7/10/2012 7:37:09 PM
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Actually, never mind, it happened twice (Spanish Revolution in Catalonia and Free Territories in Russian Revolution). What do you have against those regimes?
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7/10/2012 7:40:00 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:16:06 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
When Wilt Chamberlain died.

That's my daytonanerd!

Actually I've never spoken to you before but the sitcom style predictability of your responses is too good to pass up.
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7/10/2012 7:41:32 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:33:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
The rise of Capatalism.

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7/10/2012 7:41:54 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:40:00 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:16:06 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
When Wilt Chamberlain died.

That's my daytonanerd!

Actually I've never spoken to you before but the sitcom style predictability of your responses is too good to pass up.

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7/10/2012 7:45:54 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:43:11 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I won't count Capitalism because there are systems that are even more unjust.

Any... like specific atrocities you could think of? Sorry to pick on you but despite my specification post nobody seems to have mentioned anything other than extremely vague nouns.
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7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.
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7/10/2012 7:52:21 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:40:00 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:16:06 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
When Wilt Chamberlain died.

That's my daytonanerd!

Actually I've never spoken to you before but the sitcom style predictability of your responses is too good to pass up.

Cuz that's what Wilt Chamberlain does to men.
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7/10/2012 7:58:06 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:36:33 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:33:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
The rise of Communism.

So, basically nothing, since that has never happened.

Name =\= Accurate portrayal of what happened

However, that is pretty much e name for it. And it holds a several hundred million live death toll....maybe even a billion
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7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM
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At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...
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7/10/2012 8:03:47 PM
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At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

Thinking has lead to COUNTLESS deaths. Could you imagine how many lives would be saved if some wisecrack put there hadn't decided to think?!?

Ironically, not-thinking has brought about almost as many deaths.
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7/10/2012 8:04:36 PM
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At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

We could start by naming specific ones. Like ones that directly resulted in death and lasted for a certain amount of time.
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7/10/2012 8:05:11 PM
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At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

Yup. Civilization is pretty bad. But don't say people.. that means that Chrysippus wins.... shhhhh ;)
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7/10/2012 8:05:55 PM
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At 7/10/2012 8:03:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

Thinking has lead to COUNTLESS deaths. Could you imagine how many lives would be saved if some wisecrack put there hadn't decided to think?!?

Ironically, not-thinking has brought about almost as many deaths.

Indeed.. And yet, there have been very few debates about the atrocity that is thinking. Though in some countries thinking has mostly been banned, and state regulated. Nothing bad ever happens there.
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7/10/2012 8:06:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/10/2012 8:05:11 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

Yup. Civilization is pretty bad. But don't say people.. that means that Chrysippus wins.... shhhhh ;)

haha, I meant everything, except for people.
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7/10/2012 8:06:34 PM
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At 7/10/2012 8:03:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

Thinking has lead to COUNTLESS deaths. Could you imagine how many lives would be saved if some wisecrack put there hadn't decided to think?!?

Ironically, not-thinking has brought about almost as many deaths.

haha Yeah... reacting is probably more likely detrimental than actually thinking things through. Emotional reactions.

As to the O.P., luckily I don't personally know of many atrocities, though I know they've happened. But the holocaust is pretty damn bad...
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7/10/2012 8:09:41 PM
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At 7/10/2012 8:06:34 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 8:03:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

Thinking has lead to COUNTLESS deaths. Could you imagine how many lives would be saved if some wisecrack put there hadn't decided to think?!?

Ironically, not-thinking has brought about almost as many deaths.

haha Yeah... reacting is probably more likely detrimental than actually thinking things through. Emotional reactions.

As to the O.P., luckily I don't personally know of many atrocities, though I know they've happened. But the holocaust is pretty damn bad...

And ultrasuede. So bad it doesn't register on DDO's spell check, thank you DDO..

But yeah.. The holocaust, slavery, countless wars, persecutions, pogroms against minorities, genocides etc etc.. Atrocities are common in human history and continue to this day.
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7/10/2012 8:09:59 PM
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At 7/10/2012 8:06:34 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 8:03:47 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 7/10/2012 8:00:42 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:51:54 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:08:35 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 7/10/2012 7:01:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
Agriculture.

Well at least one former DDO member thinks so.. He did like 3 debates on the subject, wrote a bunch of stuff on the forums and then disappeared forever.. anyone remember that guy?

haha! Actually I heard about that guy from drafterman... and my most recent debate with Chrysippus was inspired by it. If you want to get into sheer quantity (greatest number of people over the greatest amount of time and space) of pain and misery, agriculture is probably accurate-especially in it's beginnings. Whether the technological, academic, logical, etc. advances make up for that pain and misery is debatable I guess.... but I think the vast majority of people probably agree that it's worth it.

yeah I suppose so.. Though reproduction has lead to more death than anything else. So I'll go with that over agriculture. Perhaps we could go with society in general. Or just people. Or primordial ooze.

So many atrocities, so little time...

Thinking has lead to COUNTLESS deaths. Could you imagine how many lives would be saved if some wisecrack put there hadn't decided to think?!?

Ironically, not-thinking has brought about almost as many deaths.

haha Yeah... reacting is probably more likely detrimental than actually thinking things through. Emotional reactions.

As to the O.P., luckily I don't personally know of many atrocities, though I know they've happened. But the holocaust is pretty damn bad...

Congratulations, you're the first person to actually respond according to the parameters of the question (:
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