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MouthWash
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9/4/2012 7:59:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
5. Julius Caesar.
4. Subutai.
3. Hannibal.
2. Napoleon.
1. Alexander.

Any thoughts?
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9/5/2012 2:36:05 AM
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In no particular order:
Frederick the Great
Napoleon
Belisarius
Robert E Lee
Helmuth von Moltke the Elder
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9/5/2012 2:29:19 PM
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I would like to mention General Zhukov.

For the following military victories:

-Battle of Leningrad (Broke the siege of Leningrad, and defeated Germany)

-Battle of Stalingrad (This battle, more than any other, caused the defeat of Germany during WWII)

-Battle of Moscow (Turned the German army back)

-Invasion of Germany (Killing more than two million Germans)

-Battle of Berlin (During which Hitler died.)

Any one of these battles represents a "major turning point" in WWII, and were absolutely critical for the success of the Allied effort.
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9/5/2012 7:44:04 PM
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At 9/5/2012 2:29:19 PM, EricPrice wrote:
I would like to mention General Zhukov.

For the following military victories:

-Battle of Leningrad (Broke the siege of Leningrad, and defeated Germany)

-Battle of Stalingrad (This battle, more than any other, caused the defeat of Germany during WWII)

-Battle of Moscow (Turned the German army back)

-Invasion of Germany (Killing more than two million Germans)

-Battle of Berlin (During which Hitler died.)

Any one of these battles represents a "major turning point" in WWII, and were absolutely critical for the success of the Allied effort.
You forgot Kursk, by far the most important battle in the entirety of World War 2.
I should also add that Erich von Manstein is probably the greatest tactical mind to have ever taken part in World War 2.
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9/5/2012 7:54:45 PM
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Rommel anyone? If Hitler hadn't stepped in and fvcked up important battles, Rommel probably would have driven the US and Britain out of North Africa and also repelled the D-Day landings. Possibly.
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9/5/2012 8:26:24 PM
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At 9/5/2012 7:54:45 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
Rommel anyone? If Hitler hadn't stepped in and fvcked up important battles, Rommel probably would have driven the US and Britain out of North Africa and also repelled the D-Day landings. Possibly.

Rommel is one of the most overrated generals of all time. He did nothing special. The only high point of his career was North Africa before El Alamein. And that was because he was undersupplied, not because the other most overrated commander of all time, Bernard Montgomery, was skilled. He finally got supplies once he withdrew back to Tunisia and was on the defensive, which should have given him a clear advantage, right? Wrong, he lost Tunisia and his African Campaign ended up costing Germany valuable planes, tanks, steel and oil. His only other position of command was the defense of France, but he screwed that up to. He was in charge of the defenses, troops positions, troop movements and pretty much everything at Normandy. And yet the Allies still established a foothold in France. Rommel is overrated and overshadows such commanders as Guderian and Manstein.
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9/7/2012 1:50:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 7:57:53 AM, Ron-Paul wrote:
In no particular order:

Stonewall Jackson
Robert E. Lee
Julius Caesar
Hannibal
George Patton

You believe that Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, or George Patton were better than Napoleon?
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9/7/2012 1:52:06 PM
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At 9/5/2012 2:29:19 PM, EricPrice wrote:
I would like to mention General Zhukov.

For the following military victories:

-Battle of Leningrad (Broke the siege of Leningrad, and defeated Germany)

-Battle of Stalingrad (This battle, more than any other, caused the defeat of Germany during WWII)

-Battle of Moscow (Turned the German army back)

-Invasion of Germany (Killing more than two million Germans)

-Battle of Berlin (During which Hitler died.)

Any one of these battles represents a "major turning point" in WWII, and were absolutely critical for the success of the Allied effort.

Zhukov is overrated. He just used his numerical advantage without regard to his own men's live.
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9/7/2012 2:01:35 PM
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At 9/4/2012 7:59:17 AM, MouthWash wrote:
5. Julius Caesar.
4. Subutai.
3. Hannibal.
2. Napoleon.
1. Alexander.

Any thoughts?

5. Scipio Africanus
4. Hannibal
3. Julius Caesar
2. Napoleon
1. Alexander
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9/7/2012 4:33:03 PM
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Washington was pretty good.....
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9/7/2012 4:36:05 PM
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At 9/7/2012 4:34:55 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:33:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Washington was pretty good.....

No comparison to many of these other guys.

Napoleon didn't beat the British.

Washington did.

O'Reily can't explain that.
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9/7/2012 4:54:57 PM
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At 9/7/2012 4:36:05 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:34:55 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:33:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Washington was pretty good.....

No comparison to many of these other guys.

Napoleon didn't beat the British.

Washington did.

O'Reily can't explain that.

Washington was a better spymaster than a general; besides, the Americans received crucial help from the French during the Revolutionary war.
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9/7/2012 7:58:30 PM
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At 9/7/2012 4:36:05 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:34:55 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:33:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Washington was pretty good.....

No comparison to many of these other guys.

Napoleon didn't beat the British.

Napoleon was a better tactician and general though. Besides, Washington had so much help from the French, the "US" navy was french.


Washington did.

He would not have been able to if it were not for french help.


O'Reily can't explain that.
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9/7/2012 7:59:58 PM
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At 9/7/2012 7:14:26 PM, Ren wrote:
Fine, I guess I'll be the guy to mention Sun Tzu.

Toss in a Joan of Arc.

She was just a symbol TBH. Just sorta stood there, looked hawt.

Constantine. Teddy Roosevelt.
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9/8/2012 12:52:21 AM
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Admiral Ackbar.
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9/8/2012 1:15:11 AM
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Past the trolling, and in no general order:

George Patton
Genghis Khan
Sun Tzu (gotta love the Art of War)
Ulysses S. Grant
Robert E. Lee
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9/8/2012 3:20:42 AM
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Washington is an overrated general. 'Nuff said.
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9/8/2012 1:59:09 PM
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At 9/7/2012 4:54:57 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:36:05 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:34:55 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/7/2012 4:33:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Washington was pretty good.....

No comparison to many of these other guys.

Napoleon didn't beat the British.

Washington did.

O'Reily can't explain that.

Washington was a better spymaster than a general; besides, the Americans received crucial help from the French during the Revolutionary war.

And the Spanish, Netherland and the first league of armed neutrality.

And the English didn't have a regular army at that point ;-)

You may call it the Revolutionary war, but a lot of us call it "The great get together to beat up the British and make Prussia rich war"
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9/8/2012 2:43:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/7/2012 1:50:50 PM, MouthWash wrote:
At 9/6/2012 7:57:53 AM, Ron-Paul wrote:
In no particular order:

Stonewall Jackson
Robert E. Lee
Julius Caesar
Hannibal
George Patton

You believe that Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, or George Patton were better than Napoleon?

Hell yeah.
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9/8/2012 2:45:01 PM
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At 9/8/2012 1:15:11 AM, Zaradi wrote:
Past the trolling, and in no general order:

George Patton
Genghis Khan
Sun Tzu (gotta love the Art of War)
Ulysses S. Grant
Robert E. Lee

Lolwut? Really? All he did is line up his armies and shoot until the Confederacy lost all its men; and in the process killed three times more union soldiers in disasters like Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, and early Petersburg.
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9/8/2012 9:07:00 PM
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At 9/8/2012 2:45:01 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 9/8/2012 1:15:11 AM, Zaradi wrote:
Past the trolling, and in no general order:

George Patton
Genghis Khan
Sun Tzu (gotta love the Art of War)
Ulysses S. Grant
Robert E. Lee

Lolwut? Really? All he did is line up his armies and shoot until the Confederacy lost all its men; and in the process killed three times more union soldiers in disasters like Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, and early Petersburg.

And yet was the only Union general to have success against Robert E. Lee across multiple battlefields. Regardless of the tactics he used, if you put Robert E. Lee up there, you have to put the guy who beat him up there as well. That's like saying you pick Chuck Norris as the best fighter ever without even mentioning Bruce Lee.
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9/8/2012 9:34:49 PM
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At 9/8/2012 9:07:00 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 9/8/2012 2:45:01 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 9/8/2012 1:15:11 AM, Zaradi wrote:
Past the trolling, and in no general order:

George Patton
Genghis Khan
Sun Tzu (gotta love the Art of War)
Ulysses S. Grant
Robert E. Lee

Lolwut? Really? All he did is line up his armies and shoot until the Confederacy lost all its men; and in the process killed three times more union soldiers in disasters like Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, and early Petersburg.

And yet was the only Union general to have success against Robert E. Lee across multiple battlefields. Regardless of the tactics he used, if you put Robert E. Lee up there, you have to put the guy who beat him up there as well. That's like saying you pick Chuck Norris as the best fighter ever without even mentioning Bruce Lee.

Let's be honest, when in command of the Army, Grant basically played a war of attrition. He said "I can lose more soldiers and utilize more supplies than them, so I will win if this war drags on long enough." The reality was while he was not a bad tactician, Napoleon and Lee were better. Lee just did not have enough men. If you switched the armies they had (Lee being in command of the Union Army, Grant in command of the Southern) Lee definitely would have defeated Grant simply because he was the better tactician and general overall.
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9/8/2012 9:40:33 PM
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At 9/8/2012 9:07:00 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 9/8/2012 2:45:01 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 9/8/2012 1:15:11 AM, Zaradi wrote:
Past the trolling, and in no general order:

George Patton
Genghis Khan
Sun Tzu (gotta love the Art of War)
Ulysses S. Grant
Robert E. Lee

Lolwut? Really? All he did is line up his armies and shoot until the Confederacy lost all its men; and in the process killed three times more union soldiers in disasters like Spotsylvania, Cold Harbor, and early Petersburg.

And yet was the only Union general to have success against Robert E. Lee across multiple battlefields. Regardless of the tactics he used, if you put Robert E. Lee up there, you have to put the guy who beat him up there as well. That's like saying you pick Chuck Norris as the best fighter ever without even mentioning Bruce Lee.

Wtf, again really? The only reason Grant won was one, superior weapons, two, more men, and three, motivation by the soldiers.

Match up Lee vs. Grant in 1861 with equal men and the same weapons and see you wins...

And btw, its like Norris is fighting Bruce Lee with 1/3 of his body.
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9/8/2012 9:50:41 PM
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Genghis Khan

Largest empire in human history (apart from British, but that was overly spread out).
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