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R0b1Billion
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12/11/2012 11:00:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What a fascinating subject. http://en.wikipedia.org...

Greek fire was created, mysteriously, at a very opportune time in human history. I had always assumed we found out what it was eventually, but no chemist can reproduce it.

I just watched a documentary claiming Greek Fire was introduced by extraterrestrials, which is of course completely unsubstantiated, however there is definitely some interesting aspects to look at here. First, the Renaissance, possibly the most significant period in human history, was only possible because Greek Fire mysteriously showed up to save the people holding on to the literature and other documents which eventually spilled out into Europe, after the invention of the cannon breached the walls of Constantinople.

It is therefore very curious indeed that this mysterious technology shows up on the scene (according to legend its creation is divine in origin), and then is lost forever, beyond the reaches even of 21st century science. Enemies who captured the substance and its launching devices "could make little use of them..."

I'm not ready to cry ALIENS but something is very peculiar about this...
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12/12/2012 4:47:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
That's certainly interesting. Aliens explain everything.
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12/29/2012 12:20:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/12/2012 4:47:50 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
That's certainly interesting. Aliens explain everything.

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12/31/2012 1:30:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't understand. From what I can tell, it was a device that shot flaming tar at the enemy (not that complicated) but they shot it quite far and no one could reproduce it (or ever did). While aliens seems a bit extreme, there was a secret to Greek Fire.
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12/31/2012 11:06:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/31/2012 1:30:51 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I don't understand. From what I can tell, it was a device that shot flaming tar at the enemy (not that complicated) but they shot it quite far and no one could reproduce it (or ever did). While aliens seems a bit extreme, there was a secret to Greek Fire.

what made Greek fire so threatening, was that when people tried to put it out with water, the flames got bigger.

Water (H2O) is simply a mixture of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen particles (O). Hydrogen is highly flammable, although hydrogen compounds tend not to be flammable. Oxygen is also highly flammable.

Greek fire simply needs to produce a chemical reaction known as "water splitting".
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12/31/2012 6:48:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/31/2012 11:06:23 AM, DanT wrote:
At 12/31/2012 1:30:51 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I don't understand. From what I can tell, it was a device that shot flaming tar at the enemy (not that complicated) but they shot it quite far and no one could reproduce it (or ever did). While aliens seems a bit extreme, there was a secret to Greek Fire.

what made Greek fire so threatening, was that when people tried to put it out with water, the flames got bigger.

Water (H2O) is simply a mixture of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen particles (O). Hydrogen is highly flammable, although hydrogen compounds tend not to be flammable. Oxygen is also highly flammable.

Greek fire simply needs to produce a chemical reaction known as "water splitting".

Could the Byzantines do that?
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1/1/2013 1:34:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/31/2012 6:48:09 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 12/31/2012 11:06:23 AM, DanT wrote:
At 12/31/2012 1:30:51 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I don't understand. From what I can tell, it was a device that shot flaming tar at the enemy (not that complicated) but they shot it quite far and no one could reproduce it (or ever did). While aliens seems a bit extreme, there was a secret to Greek Fire.

what made Greek fire so threatening, was that when people tried to put it out with water, the flames got bigger.

Water (H2O) is simply a mixture of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen particles (O). Hydrogen is highly flammable, although hydrogen compounds tend not to be flammable. Oxygen is also highly flammable.

Greek fire simply needs to produce a chemical reaction known as "water splitting".

Could the Byzantines do that?

Evidently. And also, this was back in the day when everyone, especially sailors, were superstitious as hell. So, that added to the fear of it heavily. They probably thought it was some sort of demon.
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1/1/2013 1:46:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
To get water splitting you just need high enough temperatures, but honestly water splitting isn't needed.

If you try to put out an oil fire with water the effect will also be pretty extreme:
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2/8/2013 6:35:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/11/2012 11:00:32 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
What a fascinating subject. http://en.wikipedia.org...

Greek fire was created, mysteriously, at a very opportune time in human history. I had always assumed we found out what it was eventually, but no chemist can reproduce it.

I just watched a documentary claiming Greek Fire was introduced by extraterrestrials, which is of course completely unsubstantiated, however there is definitely some interesting aspects to look at here. First, the Renaissance, possibly the most significant period in human history, was only possible because Greek Fire mysteriously showed up to save the people holding on to the literature and other documents which eventually spilled out into Europe, after the invention of the cannon breached the walls of Constantinople.

It is therefore very curious indeed that this mysterious technology shows up on the scene (according to legend its creation is divine in origin), and then is lost forever, beyond the reaches even of 21st century science. Enemies who captured the substance and its launching devices "could make little use of them..."

I'm not ready to cry ALIENS but something is very peculiar about this...

Greek Fire was essentially the ancient precursor to napalm, we don't know the exact chemical composition, since there are no surviving quantities, and no records that list it's ingredients.
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2/9/2013 1:16:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/8/2013 6:35:58 PM, Polaris wrote:
At 12/11/2012 11:00:32 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
What a fascinating subject. http://en.wikipedia.org...

Greek fire was created, mysteriously, at a very opportune time in human history. I had always assumed we found out what it was eventually, but no chemist can reproduce it.

I just watched a documentary claiming Greek Fire was introduced by extraterrestrials, which is of course completely unsubstantiated, however there is definitely some interesting aspects to look at here. First, the Renaissance, possibly the most significant period in human history, was only possible because Greek Fire mysteriously showed up to save the people holding on to the literature and other documents which eventually spilled out into Europe, after the invention of the cannon breached the walls of Constantinople.

It is therefore very curious indeed that this mysterious technology shows up on the scene (according to legend its creation is divine in origin), and then is lost forever, beyond the reaches even of 21st century science. Enemies who captured the substance and its launching devices "could make little use of them..."

I'm not ready to cry ALIENS but something is very peculiar about this...

Greek Fire was essentially the ancient precursor to napalm, we don't know the exact chemical composition, since there are no surviving quantities, and no records that list it's ingredients.

Plus a lot of it could have been exaggerated.
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