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10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.
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10/12/2013 11:03:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

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10/12/2013 11:15:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/12/2013 11:03:46 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

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10/13/2013 2:32:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Columbus was actually a pretty evil dude, Sitara.
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10/13/2013 2:50:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 2:32:57 PM, PatriotPerson wrote:
Columbus was actually a pretty evil dude, Sitara.

I'm not sure I'd agree with this. While I agree that we shouldn't make Columbus out to be some sort of hero or altruistic individual (and he certainly wasn't) I don't think I'd say he was outright evil. I hate to be a moral relativist (actually I probably don't), but if we look at the time Columbus sailed on his famous expedition, his actions are comparable to society at the time. So while I don't want to defend Columbus, it's hard to look passed the contemporary society of Spain and the church that were murdering unbelievers at the time (and Spain, Columbus and the church have been very efficient at that). So Columbus may have been evil, but no more evil than society allowed then, and no more evil than Spain or the Church.

Just to be clear, I don't want to justify Columbus and the actions taken by him or with him, but condemnation must be placed also on Spain, the church and society at that time in general.

Furthermore, we can now look more objectively at what Columbus achieved and ask why such a big deal has been made about him. It's pretty clear his achievements have been overstated. However, one thing his expedition did allow was for a bunch of people fleeing Spain (it's no coincidence the inquisition and his expedition were the same year) and the church to escape with their lives.

So Props to Columbus for that.... But he should certainly still be condemned as a leader of the murderous group they ultimately were.

My point is that there is a bit more nuance to this than simply calling someone evil.
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10/13/2013 2:59:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think I could probably make the argument that 1492 was the beginning of pre-modern Zionism... and that could probably be extended to saying that the favorable view of Columbus is a zionist conspiracy (and that would only partially be meant to sound humorous).

So ultimately the history of Columbus and the "new world" era has a lot of nuance. I'm fairly indifferent to Columbus himself, but I find the history and reactions to him to be particularly fascinating. It's become more mainstream these days in the US to view him as objectively "bad", which is a natural reaction considering the history and the shrugging (or just ignoring) of what actually occurred at that time.
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10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol
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10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.
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10/13/2013 6:37:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

Denmark, which massacred the Inuits? Please don't make me laugh.
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10/13/2013 6:37:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

Denmark which has treated Greenland like garbage?
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10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.
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10/13/2013 6:51:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:37:16 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

Denmark, which massacred the Inuits? Please don't make me laugh.

I didn't defend Denmark. I just dislike the Spanish and Hitler more. Plenty of killing going around though.... And Denmark certainly isn't without it's sordid past. Not sure what else you expect anyone to say though.
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10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.
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10/13/2013 7:11:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:37:16 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

Denmark, which massacred the Inuits? Please don't make me laugh.

20 displaced people isnt a massacre you dumb retard.....
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10/13/2013 7:11:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:11:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:37:16 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

Denmark, which massacred the Inuits? Please don't make me laugh.

20 displaced people isnt a massacre you dumb retard.....

He just called me a "retard."
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10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."
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10/13/2013 7:12:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:11:42 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:11:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:37:16 PM, Adam2 wrote:

Denmark, which massacred the Inuits? Please don't make me laugh.

20 displaced people isnt a massacre you dumb retard.....

He just called me a "retard."

Its because I have ample evidence that you are a retard.....
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10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.
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10/13/2013 7:17:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.

LMAO. It's not that. Probably a colonial apologist. Who knows.
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10/13/2013 7:18:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:17:07 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.

LMAO. It's not that. Probably a colonial apologist. Who knows.

But your posts and threads are annoying. Tomboys. Autistic. Danes. We get it.
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10/13/2013 7:18:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:18:14 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:17:07 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.

LMAO. It's not that. Probably a colonial apologist. Who knows.

But your posts and threads are annoying. Tomboys. Autistic. Danes. We get it.

Free country. Don't like it. Don't read it.
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10/13/2013 7:20:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:18:14 PM, drafterman wrote:

But your posts and threads are annoying. Tomboys. Autistic. Danes. We get it.

I know right? Hes like a monkey working a tambourine except even less intelligent....
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10/13/2013 7:38:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:18:43 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:18:14 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:17:07 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.

LMAO. It's not that. Probably a colonial apologist. Who knows.

But your posts and threads are annoying. Tomboys. Autistic. Danes. We get it.

Free country. Don't like it. Don't read it.

That's not what free means. It means if you express yourself you should expect criticism.
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10/13/2013 7:40:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:38:43 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:18:43 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:18:14 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:17:07 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.

LMAO. It's not that. Probably a colonial apologist. Who knows.

But your posts and threads are annoying. Tomboys. Autistic. Danes. We get it.

Free country. Don't like it. Don't read it.

That's not what free means. It means if you express yourself you should expect criticism.

That does not count as criticism. That's insulting. Criticism is something different.
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10/13/2013 7:42:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:40:28 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:38:43 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:18:43 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:18:14 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:17:07 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.

LMAO. It's not that. Probably a colonial apologist. Who knows.

But your posts and threads are annoying. Tomboys. Autistic. Danes. We get it.

Free country. Don't like it. Don't read it.

That's not what free means. It means if you express yourself you should expect criticism.

That does not count as criticism. That's insulting. Criticism is something different.

Then take your own advice.
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10/13/2013 7:58:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 7:42:14 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:40:28 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:38:43 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:18:43 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:18:14 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:17:07 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:16:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 7:12:17 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:53:39 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:39:05 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:35:15 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 10/13/2013 6:06:44 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 10/12/2013 10:50:30 PM, Sitara wrote:
So many people seem angry with him, and I don't get it. Before ye get mad, I was educated by the public school system. I am open to both sides though.

Funny everyone has a problem with Columbus and Hitler, yet Danish and English atrocities are often overlooked. lol

I don't think anyone is overlooking them. This thread happens to be about Columbus.

I personally believe that many problems today can be blamed on the British, so I'm not overlooking their issues. Also it's a matter of degrees, the English were a preferable super power to the Spanish (as a mercantile empire rather than a uber-religious one) and the Danish aren't comparable to Hitler or the Spanish. So it's not even in the same ballpark.

True, maybe the English and Danes didn't spread their religion with missionaries. They just thought it was fun to torture their subjects.

I'm not sure what your point is... People recognize the atrocities committed in the past. It just doesn't need to be always mentioned regardless of the context.

I don't like Martin Luther. I don't need to qualify that with Denmark and the English are worse though.

You saw that right, he just called me a "retard."

Ignore him. He's Danish.

LMAO. It's not that. Probably a colonial apologist. Who knows.

But your posts and threads are annoying. Tomboys. Autistic. Danes. We get it.

Free country. Don't like it. Don't read it.

That's not what free means. It means if you express yourself you should expect criticism.

That does not count as criticism. That's insulting. Criticism is something different.

Then take your own advice.

On second thought, you're right. Criticism covers that too.
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10/13/2013 8:28:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 8:16:54 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
Well, this thread certainly got derailed... a shame cuz it's an interesting topic

One question I have is, regardless of ol' CC's character, what's the harm in having a holiday named after him? What's the benefit to changing it?
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10/13/2013 8:32:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 8:28:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 8:16:54 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
Well, this thread certainly got derailed... a shame cuz it's an interesting topic

One question I have is, regardless of ol' CC's character, what's the harm in having a holiday named after him? What's the benefit to changing it?

People prefer not to dignify those who are worthy of condemnation. What's the benefit of keeping the name?
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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10/13/2013 8:37:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 10/13/2013 8:32:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/13/2013 8:28:20 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 10/13/2013 8:16:54 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
Well, this thread certainly got derailed... a shame cuz it's an interesting topic

One question I have is, regardless of ol' CC's character, what's the harm in having a holiday named after him? What's the benefit to changing it?

People prefer not to dignify those who are worthy of condemnation. What's the benefit of keeping the name?

But what is being dignified is an idea, an abstract. Obviously we aren't dignifying the atrocities. Are all Presidents worthy of being dignified? Should we rename President's day to include only Presidents worthy of the honor?

To most people, it's a day off of work. Nothing more. So what matter is the name?