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Who was worse -- Normans or Anglo-Saxons?

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11/17/2013 10:21:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
For me the Anglo-Saxons. For they left a strong bitterness between England and Scotland, and much of the conflict today there stems from the Anglo-Saxons stealing what is now the Lowlands of Scotland and northern England from the original inhabitants driving them north into what is now today the Highlands. These same people would create Jim Crow and the KKK later, who boasted their northern English/Lowland ancestry. The Normans ended slavery, and gave Christianity to the Isles.
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11/19/2013 9:23:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I thought that the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms were mainly in the south such as Essex and Sussex. The north was dominated by Vikings (Dane law) who are related to the Norsemen or Normans.

Christianity came to the British Isles much earlier than 1066. The oldest churches in England are often Saxon in origin such as Greensted in Essex, which dates from 645.

The Normans may have banned slavery but they replaced it with villeinage under feudal law.
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11/20/2013 7:19:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/19/2013 9:23:12 AM, chui wrote:
I thought that the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms were mainly in the south such as Essex and Sussex. The north was dominated by Vikings (Dane law) who are related to the Norsemen or Normans.

Christianity came to the British Isles much earlier than 1066. The oldest churches in England are often Saxon in origin such as Greensted in Essex, which dates from 645.

The Normans may have banned slavery but they replaced it with villeinage under feudal law.

Anglo-Saxons were evil
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11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.
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11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?
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11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy. Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English. Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.
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11/21/2013 4:14:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

Even today if you go to TN, while being very patriotic, they wave American flags everywhere. I've seen pics of TN, Confederate flags aren't common there. Lynchings, in the name of the United States and God, are.
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11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession
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11/21/2013 4:16:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:14:15 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

Even today if you go to TN, while being very patriotic, they wave American flags everywhere. I've seen pics of TN, Confederate flags aren't common there. Lynchings, in the name of the United States and God, are.

The last lynching was in 1981. If you have evidence that others have happened and are common, you should contact the police.
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11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.
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11/21/2013 4:18:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:16:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:14:15 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

Even today if you go to TN, while being very patriotic, they wave American flags everywhere. I've seen pics of TN, Confederate flags aren't common there. Lynchings, in the name of the United States and God, are.

The last lynching was in 1981. If you have evidence that others have happened and are common, you should contact the police.

I was mocking Tennessee. Obviously lynchings are not common anymore. However, TN is very racist, and they don't fly the Dixie flag. It's the US flag they fly.
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11/21/2013 4:18:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

I believe Appalachians would have favored the Confederacy.
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11/21/2013 4:19:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

You're wrong. The KKK was founded in Pulaski TN, which is in the Central region that voted with 88% in favor of secession...by confederate veterans
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11/21/2013 4:20:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:18:32 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

I believe Appalachians would have favored the Confederacy.

Well they didn't. Appalachia was historically pro Union...why do you think West Virginia exists?
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11/21/2013 4:22:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:19:01 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

You're wrong. The KKK was founded in Pulaski TN, which is in the Central region that voted with 88% in favor of secession...by confederate veterans

"It was in Middle Tennessee where the greatest shift in opinion occurred. There, twelve counties that opposed a convention call in February, suggesting a reluctance to secede then, approved secession in June. These"
http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu...
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11/21/2013 4:26:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:22:30 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:19:01 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

You're wrong. The KKK was founded in Pulaski TN, which is in the Central region that voted with 88% in favor of secession...by confederate veterans

"It was in Middle Tennessee where the greatest shift in opinion occurred. There, twelve counties that opposed a convention call in February, suggesting a reluctance to secede then, approved secession in June. These"
http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu...

Dude. Reading four more words, that's all it would've taken for you to not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. So they voted against secession before the war started, but then voted heavily in favor of it once the war had begun. That doesn't make them Pro-Union, at best it makes them neutral, but considering that they voted VERY narrowly against it (51% against) followed by VERY HEAVILY in favor of it (88% for) makes me think they're more pro confederate than not. http://en.wikipedia.org...
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11/21/2013 4:27:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:26:06 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:22:30 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:19:01 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

You're wrong. The KKK was founded in Pulaski TN, which is in the Central region that voted with 88% in favor of secession...by confederate veterans

"It was in Middle Tennessee where the greatest shift in opinion occurred. There, twelve counties that opposed a convention call in February, suggesting a reluctance to secede then, approved secession in June. These"
http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu...

Dude. Reading four more words, that's all it would've taken for you to not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. So they voted against secession before the war started, but then voted heavily in favor of it once the war had begun. That doesn't make them Pro-Union, at best it makes them neutral, but considering that they voted VERY narrowly against it (51% against) followed by VERY HEAVILY in favor of it (88% for) makes me think they're more pro confederate than not. http://en.wikipedia.org...

To be honest, I've looked up "Giles [where Pulaski is], TN secession" on Google and I can't find a single thing. Seems like it didn't happen then.
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11/21/2013 4:28:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:20:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:18:32 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

I believe Appalachians would have favored the Confederacy.

Well they didn't. Appalachia was historically pro Union...why do you think West Virginia exists?

Plus Giles is almost in the East of TN by a slight margin.
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11/21/2013 4:33:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:27:19 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:26:06 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:22:30 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:19:01 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

You're wrong. The KKK was founded in Pulaski TN, which is in the Central region that voted with 88% in favor of secession...by confederate veterans

"It was in Middle Tennessee where the greatest shift in opinion occurred. There, twelve counties that opposed a convention call in February, suggesting a reluctance to secede then, approved secession in June. These"
http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu...

Dude. Reading four more words, that's all it would've taken for you to not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. So they voted against secession before the war started, but then voted heavily in favor of it once the war had begun. That doesn't make them Pro-Union, at best it makes them neutral, but considering that they voted VERY narrowly against it (51% against) followed by VERY HEAVILY in favor of it (88% for) makes me think they're more pro confederate than not. http://en.wikipedia.org...

To be honest, I've looked up "Giles [where Pulaski is], TN secession" on Google and I can't find a single thing. Seems like it didn't happen then.

If this map is the be relied upon, Giles went over 90% for secession http://reevesmaps.com...

I'll admit it isn't the best data though, but since we know for sure Giles is in the Central region, and that the Central part of Tennessee, which went heavily for secession, your characterization of it as "Pro Union" is ridiculous
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11/21/2013 4:36:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:33:20 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:27:19 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:26:06 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:22:30 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:19:01 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

You're wrong. The KKK was founded in Pulaski TN, which is in the Central region that voted with 88% in favor of secession...by confederate veterans

"It was in Middle Tennessee where the greatest shift in opinion occurred. There, twelve counties that opposed a convention call in February, suggesting a reluctance to secede then, approved secession in June. These"
http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu...

Dude. Reading four more words, that's all it would've taken for you to not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. So they voted against secession before the war started, but then voted heavily in favor of it once the war had begun. That doesn't make them Pro-Union, at best it makes them neutral, but considering that they voted VERY narrowly against it (51% against) followed by VERY HEAVILY in favor of it (88% for) makes me think they're more pro confederate than not. http://en.wikipedia.org...

To be honest, I've looked up "Giles [where Pulaski is], TN secession" on Google and I can't find a single thing. Seems like it didn't happen then.

If this map is the be relied upon, Giles went over 90% for secession http://reevesmaps.com...

I'll admit it isn't the best data though, but since we know for sure Giles is in the Central region, and that the Central part of Tennessee, which went heavily for secession, your characterization of it as "Pro Union" is ridiculous

Only the west went heavily for secession. Giles, like many were reluctant at first. They only did it late. And it seems they regretted it.
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11/21/2013 5:35:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/21/2013 4:36:57 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:33:20 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:27:19 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:26:06 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:22:30 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:19:01 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:17:14 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:15:11 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:11:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 4:07:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/21/2013 3:56:48 PM, Adam2 wrote:
I take back the Northern English and Lowland Scottish. The KKK was founded in a Union state (English) -- Tennessee. They weren't Confederacy, and in 1862 was captured by the Union forces. The place where the KKK was found was pro-Union from the get.

Uhh...what?

OK, first of all Tennessee was extremely reluctant to join the Confederacy.

They still voted in a popular vote to join the confederacy. Sure there was dissent, but that doesn't make it "pro-Union from the get". That makes it anti-Union, if narrowly.

Also, not that this has anything to do with this, for being in a region that was predominantly Scots-Irish, TN was English.

Pretty sure they were American at that time and would've resented being called English and used to compare the Normans and the Anglo Saxons 800 years before their time.

Second of all, they were Confederate, but it only last a matter of months. They joined in late 1861, and were recaptured by the Union in early 1862. The culture was pro-Union/Yankee.

If the culture was Pro-Union more than just the Western, Appalachian portion would've voted against secession

Good point. But it depends on where in TN you went. In the west, it was pro-Confederate. In the east, where the KKK was started (since Pulaski in the east), it was pro-Union.

You're wrong. The KKK was founded in Pulaski TN, which is in the Central region that voted with 88% in favor of secession...by confederate veterans

"It was in Middle Tennessee where the greatest shift in opinion occurred. There, twelve counties that opposed a convention call in February, suggesting a reluctance to secede then, approved secession in June. These"
http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu...

Dude. Reading four more words, that's all it would've taken for you to not sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. So they voted against secession before the war started, but then voted heavily in favor of it once the war had begun. That doesn't make them Pro-Union, at best it makes them neutral, but considering that they voted VERY narrowly against it (51% against) followed by VERY HEAVILY in favor of it (88% for) makes me think they're more pro confederate than not. http://en.wikipedia.org...

To be honest, I've looked up "Giles [where Pulaski is], TN secession" on Google and I can't find a single thing. Seems like it didn't happen then.

If this map is the be relied upon, Giles went over 90% for secession http://reevesmaps.com...

I'll admit it isn't the best data though, but since we know for sure Giles is in the Central region, and that the Central part of Tennessee, which went heavily for secession, your characterization of it as "Pro Union" is ridiculous

Only the west went heavily for secession. Giles, like many were reluctant at first. They only did it late. And it seems they regretted it.

Your argument: The KKK was made by Pro union confederate veterans who lived in a location that went heavily for secession once the civil war started. Okay...
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right