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1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM
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Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?
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1/30/2014 6:52:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

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2/7/2014 8:26:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

Rough guess, based on layman's terms:

Before 10,000 BC = Stone Age
10,000 - 3,000 BC = Copper Age/Farming Age/Tool Age
3,000 - 1,000 BC = Bronze Age
1,000 BC - AD 500 = Iron Age
500s - 1700s = Middle Ages
1700s - 1800s = Industrial Age
1900s = Space Age
2000s = Information Age

From the present, humanity can go two ways, depending on the outcome of World War 3:

Major civilizations survive => 2100s = Interplanetary Age, or something along those lines.

Major civilizations fall => 2100s = 2nd Dark Ages/Anarchy Age, or something along those lines.

That's my take anyway. I'm not a historian though, so don't take my word for it.
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2/7/2014 10:11:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/7/2014 8:26:37 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

Rough guess, based on layman's terms:

Before 10,000 BC = Stone Age
10,000 - 3,000 BC = Copper Age/Farming Age/Tool Age
3,000 - 1,000 BC = Bronze Age
1,000 BC - AD 500 = Iron Age
500s - 1700s = Middle Ages
1700s - 1800s = Industrial Age
1900s = Space Age
2000s = Information Age

From the present, humanity can go two ways, depending on the outcome of World War 3:

Major civilizations survive => 2100s = Interplanetary Age, or something along those lines.

Major civilizations fall => 2100s = 2nd Dark Ages/Anarchy Age, or something along those lines.

That's my take anyway. I'm not a historian though, so don't take my word for it.

Lol, nice!

Who do you think will instigate WW3?
And who do you think will win?
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2/7/2014 10:16:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/7/2014 8:26:37 PM, Jack212 wrote:
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

Rough guess, based on layman's terms:

Before 10,000 BC = Stone Age
10,000 - 3,000 BC = Copper Age/Farming Age/Tool Age
3,000 - 1,000 BC = Bronze Age
1,000 BC - AD 500 = Iron Age
500s - 1700s = Middle Ages
1700s - 1800s = Industrial Age
1900s = Space Age
2000s = Information Age

From the present, humanity can go two ways, depending on the outcome of World War 3:

Major civilizations survive => 2100s = Interplanetary Age, or something along those lines.

Major civilizations fall => 2100s = 2nd Dark Ages/Anarchy Age, or something along those lines.

That's my take anyway. I'm not a historian though, so don't take my word for it.

Don't know why you're so certain of a World War III, but if one happened, I doubt there'd be any historians to debate on what to call the era.
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2/8/2014 4:54:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/7/2014 10:11:18 PM, Romanii wrote:

Lol, nice!

Who do you think will instigate WW3?
And who do you think will win?

Nobody really "wins" a nuclear war, and the instigator will be some idiot who doesn't realise that - like the dude in North Korea.

At 2/7/2014 10:16:36 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Don't know why you're so certain of a World War III, but if one happened, I doubt there'd be any historians to debate on what to call the era.

WW3 will happen, it's only a matter of when. People cannot get along indefinitely, they have to start killing each other sometime. That said, humans are pretty resourceful and will almost certainly find some way to survive a nuclear apocalypse.
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2/8/2014 5:37:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/8/2014 4:54:08 PM, Jack212 wrote:

WW3 will happen, it's only a matter of when. People cannot get along indefinitely, they have to start killing each other sometime. That said, humans are pretty resourceful and will almost certainly find some way to survive a nuclear apocalypse.
Why? Nuclear weapons tend to keep this kinds of scenarios from developing into said World Wars, even if North Korea went off the deep end(deeper than they are, anyway) their nuclear weapons are not extensive enough to destroy the world, nor will it start WW3. Even China hates North Korea at this point.
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2/9/2014 4:15:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/8/2014 5:37:58 PM, Clarity wrote:
At 2/8/2014 4:54:08 PM, Jack212 wrote:

WW3 will happen, it's only a matter of when. People cannot get along indefinitely, they have to start killing each other sometime. That said, humans are pretty resourceful and will almost certainly find some way to survive a nuclear apocalypse.
Why? Nuclear weapons tend to keep this kinds of scenarios from developing into said World Wars, even if North Korea went off the deep end(deeper than they are, anyway) their nuclear weapons are not extensive enough to destroy the world, nor will it start WW3. Even China hates North Korea at this point.

It probably won't be North Korea, but it will be somebody like North Korea. Remember, people are stupid. At some point in the future, a stupid person will gain control of some nuclear weapons and use them to start a war. Or maybe they'll use a genetically engineered virus. Who knows? Point is, it's highly improbable that humanity will go the next hundred years without somebody starting a major war. It's just not in our nature to abstain from killing each other for that long.
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2/9/2014 5:03:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/9/2014 4:15:26 PM, Jack212 wrote:

It probably won't be North Korea, but it will be somebody like North Korea. Remember, people are stupid. At some point in the future, a stupid person will gain control of some nuclear weapons and use them to start a war. Or maybe they'll use a genetically engineered virus. Who knows? Point is, it's highly improbable that humanity will go the next hundred years without somebody starting a major war. It's just not in our nature to abstain from killing each other for that long.
Even the most idiotic of idiots know that launching a nuclear weapons will provoke international response. To become the leader of China or Russia, you usually tend to not be idiotic in the first place. The US, Russia, and China are the only ones capable of destroying the world with nukes.

As for viruses, that is a concern, but I don't see it wiping out humanity.
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2/9/2014 6:07:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/9/2014 5:03:36 PM, Clarity wrote:
At 2/9/2014 4:15:26 PM, Jack212 wrote:

It probably won't be North Korea, but it will be somebody like North Korea. Remember, people are stupid. At some point in the future, a stupid person will gain control of some nuclear weapons and use them to start a war. Or maybe they'll use a genetically engineered virus. Who knows? Point is, it's highly improbable that humanity will go the next hundred years without somebody starting a major war. It's just not in our nature to abstain from killing each other for that long.
Even the most idiotic of idiots know that launching a nuclear weapons will provoke international response. To become the leader of China or Russia, you usually tend to not be idiotic in the first place. The US, Russia, and China are the only ones capable of destroying the world with nukes.

As for viruses, that is a concern, but I don't see it wiping out humanity.

It's UNLIKELY for an idiot to become the leader of China or Russia, but with enough time it will happen (that's just statistics). And of course a virus won't wipe out humanity, I never said any of this would. It would just be the cause of a wide-scale conflict.
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2/10/2014 8:44:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

Type 0: simple stone tools, language, art.
Type 1: complex stone tools, art, complex language.
Type 2: copper tools, protowriting
Type 3: alloys especially bronze,pictograms, writing
Type 4: iron tools, writing(alphabet or pictogram)
Type 5: steel tools, writing.
Type 6: industrializing.
Type 7: simple electrical knowledge(static electricity generators, simple induction generators, leyden jars.
Type 8: complex electrical systems.
Type 9: nuclear reaction capability.
Type 10: simple computers, space probes/travel, extremely simple nano and bio technology.
Type 11: complex computers, space probes/travel, intermediate nano and biotechnology. This is where we are.
Type 12 quantum computing, complex nanotechnology, interplanetry travel OR simply interplanetary travel.
Type 13: weather control and or short range interstellar travel
Type 14: medium range interstellar travel
Type 15: long range interplanetary travel
Type 16: intergalactic travel
Type 17: near god like
Type 18: god like.
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2/10/2014 9:02:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 8:44:36 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

Type 0: simple stone tools, language, art.
Type 1: complex stone tools, art, complex language.
Type 2: copper tools, protowriting
Type 3: alloys especially bronze,pictograms, writing
Type 4: iron tools, writing(alphabet or pictogram)
Type 5: steel tools, writing.
Type 6: industrializing.
Type 7: simple electrical knowledge(static electricity generators, simple induction generators, leyden jars.
Type 8: complex electrical systems.
Type 9: nuclear reaction capability.
Type 10: simple computers, space probes/travel, extremely simple nano and bio technology.
Type 11: complex computers, space probes/travel, intermediate nano and biotechnology. This is where we are.
Type 12 quantum computing, complex nanotechnology, interplanetry travel OR simply interplanetary travel.
Type 13: weather control and or short range interstellar travel
Type 14: medium range interstellar travel
Type 15: long range interplanetary travel
Type 16: intergalactic travel
Type 17: near god like
Type 18: god like.

Let's see... it took about
-- 100,000 years to get from stage 0 to stage 1
-- 12,000 years to get from stage 2 to stage 4
-- 1,800 years to get from stage 5 to stage 7
-- 150 years to get from stage 8 to stage 10
-- 50 years to get from stage 10 to stage 11

If our current rate of technological advancement continues, it should about
-- 20 years to get from stage 12 to 14
-- 8 years to get from stage 15 to 16
-- 3 years to get from stage 17 to stage 18...

So by 2045 we're going to be God-like?
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2/10/2014 9:14:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 9:02:19 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 2/10/2014 8:44:36 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

Type 0: simple stone tools, language, art.
Type 1: complex stone tools, art, complex language.
Type 2: copper tools, protowriting
Type 3: alloys especially bronze,pictograms, writing
Type 4: iron tools, writing(alphabet or pictogram)
Type 5: steel tools, writing.
Type 6: industrializing.
Type 7: simple electrical knowledge(static electricity generators, simple induction generators, leyden jars.
Type 8: complex electrical systems.
Type 9: nuclear reaction capability.
Type 10: simple computers, space probes/travel, extremely simple nano and bio technology.
Type 11: complex computers, space probes/travel, intermediate nano and biotechnology. This is where we are.
Type 12 quantum computing, complex nanotechnology, interplanetry travel OR simply interplanetary travel.
Type 13: weather control and or short range interstellar travel
Type 14: medium range interstellar travel
Type 15: long range interplanetary travel
Type 16: intergalactic travel
Type 17: near god like
Type 18: god like.

Let's see... it took about
-- 100,000 years to get from stage 0 to stage 1
-- 12,000 years to get from stage 2 to stage 4
-- 1,800 years to get from stage 5 to stage 7
-- 150 years to get from stage 8 to stage 10
-- 50 years to get from stage 10 to stage 11

If our current rate of technological advancement continues, it should about
-- 20 years to get from stage 12 to 14
-- 8 years to get from stage 15 to 16
-- 3 years to get from stage 17 to stage 18...

So by 2045 we're going to be God-like?

Not a chance. I'm expecting this:
50 years to go from 11 to 12
50 years to go from 12 to 13
100 years to go from 13 to 14
100 years to go from 14 to 15
500 years to go from 15 to 16
1000 years to go from 16 to 17
several thousand years to go from 17 to 18
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2/10/2014 9:27:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2014 9:14:43 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 2/10/2014 9:02:19 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 2/10/2014 8:44:36 PM, theta_pinch wrote:
At 1/30/2014 6:35:40 PM, Romanii wrote:
Historians often like to use periodization to divide history into broad chunks based on overarching themes and trends.

What do think the historians of 3014 are going to classify our current era as, and what trends will they base that classification off of?

Type 0: simple stone tools, language, art.
Type 1: complex stone tools, art, complex language.
Type 2: copper tools, protowriting
Type 3: alloys especially bronze,pictograms, writing
Type 4: iron tools, writing(alphabet or pictogram)
Type 5: steel tools, writing.
Type 6: industrializing.
Type 7: simple electrical knowledge(static electricity generators, simple induction generators, leyden jars.
Type 8: complex electrical systems.
Type 9: nuclear reaction capability.
Type 10: simple computers, space probes/travel, extremely simple nano and bio technology.
Type 11: complex computers, space probes/travel, intermediate nano and biotechnology. This is where we are.
Type 12 quantum computing, complex nanotechnology, interplanetry travel OR simply interplanetary travel.
Type 13: weather control and or short range interstellar travel
Type 14: medium range interstellar travel
Type 15: long range interplanetary travel
Type 16: intergalactic travel
Type 17: near god like
Type 18: god like.

Let's see... it took about
-- 100,000 years to get from stage 0 to stage 1
-- 12,000 years to get from stage 2 to stage 4
-- 1,800 years to get from stage 5 to stage 7
-- 150 years to get from stage 8 to stage 10
-- 50 years to get from stage 10 to stage 11

If our current rate of technological advancement continues, it should about
-- 20 years to get from stage 12 to 14
-- 8 years to get from stage 15 to 16
-- 3 years to get from stage 17 to stage 18...

So by 2045 we're going to be God-like?

Not a chance. I'm expecting this:
50 years to go from 11 to 12
50 years to go from 12 to 13
100 years to go from 13 to 14
100 years to go from 14 to 15
500 years to go from 15 to 16
1000 years to go from 16 to 17
several thousand years to go from 17 to 18

LOL. Yeah, it seems like our progress is slowing down, eh?