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Stalin, and My Admiration for Him

MyDinosaurHands
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5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!
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5/11/2014 6:44:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!

It's alright to honor him even though most don't. I don't, but I understand why you like him. He had his pros and cons just like any human being on Earth.
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5/11/2014 11:30:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!

In my opinion, I don't think it's okay to "honor" him, and I don't really think that's the right term to use; however, it is okay to realize that Stalin did have certain positive attributes that made him an effective leader, as you demonstrated above.

I can't remember the quote, but it was something about how we should focus on the positive attributes of people instead of the negative (e.g. if a man has 10 shortcomings but 1 good thing, then focus on that one good thing). I don't know if that'd exactly apply to this situation, but it kind of relates.
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5/12/2014 7:12:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!

I admire him too. Not his Holodomor stuff though, but the steps he took in order to preserve the Soviet Union from National Socialist destruction is a show of both iron willed determination, loyalty to the country, and a strong and resolute will that was enforced upon the Soviet troops.

Under Stalin, 73,000 T-34s were produced ALONE. Now that's more than six years of production of the Panzerkampfwagen IV. This was also ironic; in fact, his industrial areas in Ukraine got occupied.

I mean like, I've got nothing for Stalinistic Socialism, but Stalin was a great person in terms of dedication to the Soviet fatherland, and a model totalitarian. But morally acceptable? No............

Morally acceptable is not the death of 27 million people; it is not demoralising your troops in the face of the enemy, and it is definitely not drafting old people for work. I admire Stalin for doing that, but of course, it was definitely not morally acceptable.

Well, this concludes my 400th post.

Happy 400th Post Day!
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5/13/2014 12:13:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

I hate to say it, but yes, I think it is rather strange. :)

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

That wasn't even the worst of it, since most historians credit Stalin with many times as many deaths as that. The worst of it was how unfeeling he was about killing people by the millions, and not even caring if they were "his" people. Anyone who he saw as even a hint of a threat was squashed like a bug, with no feelings of guilt or remorse.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

I'm not sure what growth you are speaking of, but I've had conversations with people who lived in Stalinist Russia or the Soviet Union and they certainly didn't feel any benefits from Stalin's policies. The Communist Party was very similar to the Czarist monarchy of old, and the average people were simply tools to be used.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!

Well, despite the fact that they were some really sick duded, it's hard not to admire the Nazis for what they accomplished on the world stage. When I used to play WW2 computer games I would often opt to play as the German side because it seemed "martial." lol So I think I can understand where you are coming from. Still, I think that Stalin was one sick puppy. :)
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5/13/2014 12:27:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!

MyDinosaurHands, I'm directing this not just at you but at all other DDO members that have an admiration for Stalin too:

Are you sure that you don't like Stain because of all the power he had, the ability to do what he wanted to whoever he wanted because he was the permanent leader of a large nation. Sure, he did help to industrialize Russia (but at a significant cost to his population) and he did defeat the Nazis during WW2, but he was a cruel, homicidal man .

I think many people have admiration for Stalin for many wrong reasons.

I think sometimes we have to admit the evil inside of these figures and force ourselves to find greater admiration in people like Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr, Nelson Mandela because their philosophy really CAN bring peace to our world.

People like Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler, though they had great power, forced the world to endure great suffering. This is why I don't really admire them, though I understand their significance to history (there is an important difference there).
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5/13/2014 12:30:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think too many of us fall into the trap (I'm guilty of this too) of admiring leaders for all the power they wield, even though many of these leaders can be viciously immoral and cruel.

There are genuinely better, more contributing people on this planet than many of these vicious, militant leaders.
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5/13/2014 12:31:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Correction:

"Are you sure that you don't like Stain because of all the power he had, the ability to do what he wanted to whoever he wanted because he was the permanent leader of a large nation?"

(forgot to post the questionmark)
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5/13/2014 5:06:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Anyway, I think your reaction to people with immense power is fairly common. But I also think that's why the world is such a mess.

Peace and cooperation won't be achievable unless people learn that this kind of abusive power is what makes life so painful.
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5/28/2014 1:25:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Allow me to add that all of Stalin's so-called "achievements" helped frustrate the people of Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union, arguably helping to cause its collapse. Plus, while Russia's industrial output increased, the products were shoddy and unreliable.

Yes, he was ambitious, driven, and eventually powerful; but to become powerful he was brutal, inhuman, unfeeling: a monster.That, on top of thousands of people starved to death, puts Stalin pretty close to the top of the "least admired" list, in my book.
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6/1/2014 5:48:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

Yes.

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

It wasn't only that Stalin's idiotic farming schemes pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far, it's that he failed to even take the necessary measures to harvest and transport Ukrainian grain, and distribute it through the USSR.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

Industrialization was not entirely unsuccessful. How we evaluate it is it's human cost.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!

I would be very interested in learning your reasons for admiring him.
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8/3/2015 8:10:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Well, it all feels good when looking at it on paper. It seems tough and daring to kill millions to bring about a huge empire. But when you look at the details of what happened it will turn your stomach.
The 400% increase is a little elusive. I've heard people use this argument before. We have to remember that Russia was so far down in the hole after the famine, that a 400% increase meant nothing in real value, especially when you consider that Free Nations were far ahead of Russia's 400% increase. Stalin may have got the 400% increase, but was still far behind America, even though America was in the Great Depression. And what do you mean by Depression? American was having a heavenly party in the midst of their depression if you compare it to what was going on in Russia.
Part of the 400% increase had nothing to do with Stalin's policies. Every nation on earth increased production from the 1920's through the 1950's. They did this because of technology. Huge machines could plant thousands of acres of corn. Huge factories could process that corn very quickly. Prior to 1920 most things still had to be done by hand and took much longer and produced much less.
But now the real truth about Stalin. Go watch a Freddy Kruger movie. That's what you had in Stalin. He marched millions and millions of people off to their death. Some of these people he embraced, promising them protection. And then he killed them. Those who weren't killed got 10-20 years of a prison sentence. When Stalin spoke, if you didn't clap hard enough, you got 10 years in prison. Families were shredded by Stalin. Many children were ripped from their parents never to see them again. Rape by Stalin's men and upper military leaders was wide-spread. If he came to your town, you lived in terror. It didn't matter how loyal you tried to be, you were in great danger, just by being near him. And when he left, you might breathe a sigh of relief. But it wouldn't matter, in six months the soldiers would come and give you 20 years cause maybe the mayor of your town was disloyal, so everyone had to be punished, including you. 20 years dude. In a prison. Never seeing your wife or children again. 20 years dude. It happened to many, many Russians. Those who didn't go to prison lived in absolute terror for the rest of their lives, wondering if it was going to happen again. Being one of Stalin's right hand men was even more scary. He purged his leaders often. Often they were executed. They rarely found asylum.
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8/6/2015 9:24:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/9/2014 10:24:48 PM, MyDinosaurHands wrote:
Is it weird that I admire Stalin?

I ask that because I know all the bad sh*t he did with the implementations of his policies. Millions died. He caused a famine in Ukraine that killed 6 million people. It didn't even require the equipment or troops that Hitler did to kill 6 million Jews. Just some orders that pushed Ukraine's agriculture too far.

But at the same time, he successfully managed to force feed Russia some hardcore Socialism. While doing that, his Five Year Plan increased their industrial output by 400% (1928-1937). I mean, that sh*t is impressive to me. While the rest of the world is struggling with the Great Depression, Stalin's brutal policies are putting Russia through huge growth.

I'm not here to defend Stalin's actions as morally acceptable, just to ask, is it weird that I admire a guy who killed millions with his policies? Is it like admiring Hitler? Probably. Tell me what you think!

You see, the context of WW2 is a context that only allowed monsters to be leaders. Society and international relations were very different at that time. You could not simply be, Idk, Obama. I mean, they needed to be like that to protect their countries.

I believe Stalin was great because of the Constitution he made on 1936, which is unmatched even by todays standards (well so unmatched that not even him could follow it to the letter).