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The wisdom Of America's Forefathers

Lookingatissues
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5/4/2015 12:32:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
After reading over some of the documents of America's forefathers, particularly those of George Washington's, it becomes apparent that this country would presently be a country in better shape and one that was still held in high regard and respect by all foreign nations instead of being ridiculed and taken advantage of.
America has allowed itself to become too heavily ensnared in the affairs of other nations by such devices as the United nations foreign trade, and by our immigration policies. George Washington warned us as a country, not to become entangled in the affairs of other foreign nations in his farewell address to the nation's people. he warned us" Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ( I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of reppublican government...." We should have listened to his advice, itwas sound.
Saint_of_Me
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5/9/2015 12:42:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/4/2015 12:32:58 PM, Lookingatissues wrote:
After reading over some of the documents of America's forefathers, particularly those of George Washington's, it becomes apparent that this country would presently be a country in better shape and one that was still held in high regard and respect by all foreign nations instead of being ridiculed and taken advantage of.
America has allowed itself to become too heavily ensnared in the affairs of other nations by such devices as the United nations foreign trade, and by our immigration policies. George Washington warned us as a country, not to become entangled in the affairs of other foreign nations in his farewell address to the nation's people. he warned us" Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ( I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of reppublican government...." We should have listened to his advice, itwas sound.

Ahh..the old "Isolationist" socio-political philosophy.

Been around for awhile...and POTUS's as recent as Warren G Harding have advocated it, with his admonishment for the country to return to normalcy after WWI. And in part I DO agree with you. WE have been a "watchdog" nation for too long. And also have engaged in wanton Imperialism as much as anyone else.

But we usually justify this with the claim that we are just trying to "instill democracy to oppressed peoples." LOL.

Oh..that may be true once in awhile. But my experience has been that we most often only care about "instilling democracy" if that country has something we want.

I DO believe in justified wars, though. And in the notion that sometimes ya just gotta fight. Some people need to be removed from the planet. the Hitlers; the Stalins; the Pots; the Bin Ladens and the Ahmedinejads.

I think that the War in Iraq was unjustified and ill-fated. Shoulda just concentrated on Afghanistan and getting Osama. Vietnam was totally uncalled for. As was Desert Storm (I am a vet of that war.)

Ditto Korea. WWII was justified. Of course, we had no choice then, really. After Pearl Harbor, and many people forget that it was Germany and Italy who declared war on US, three days later.

Back in Washington's time thing were much simpler. The economy was not remotely close to being as globally enmeshed as it is today. So it is difficult to adopt an isolationist stance in view of this fact. Economically speaking, I AM in favor of globalism and Free Trade.

Unfortunately, it is often economic matter that drive wars in the first place. So I reckon it is a double-edged sword.

Overall, though, I agree that we could use more of Washington's views on world affairs in our Government today. But it would surely be a classic case of "easier said than done."
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7/21/2015 4:37:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/4/2015 12:32:58 PM, Lookingatissues wrote:
After reading over some of the documents of America's forefathers, particularly those of George Washington's, it becomes apparent that this country would presently be a country in better shape and one that was still held in high regard and respect by all foreign nations instead of being ridiculed and taken advantage of.
America has allowed itself to become too heavily ensnared in the affairs of other nations by such devices as the United nations foreign trade, and by our immigration policies. George Washington warned us as a country, not to become entangled in the affairs of other foreign nations in his farewell address to the nation's people. he warned us" Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ( I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of reppublican government...." We should have listened to his advice, itwas sound.

While the UN was a good idea at the time, it was clear, even back in the 1950's, that becoming too tightly involved in world politics, through the UN, would backfire. That's where we are now. The UN is made up of many nations. Many of these nations know nothing of freedom and liberty. Their people know nothing of it either. The dictators of these people have made them so dependent on their government that they never really learned how to work hard, or invest, or save. They don't have an understanding of building things, at least in terms of doing it without the government. These kinds of nations are poor, and will remain poor.
The problem with these nations being in the UN is the fact that they try to influence our nation. The truth is these nations talk about things that they know nothing about. It is the USA blueprint that should be the dominating factor in the UN, not the socialistic, fascist blueprint. But as we've also seen throughout history, men are power hungry, and tend to adopt socialism and fascism over time, as a means to power, and a means to control populations.
This is exactly what has happened to the UN. The leaders of the UN have conspired together in an effort to forge out their own political agenda, and become the kings and queens of the earth. The UN was formed to promote Democracy and free markets, and yet it has become a place where nations can manipulate and control other nations. The UN has written off liberty and freedom in an effort to avoid war, and in an effort to gain more power. They have given socialistic dictators a platform within the UN. They have given fascists and theocrats a voice also. This cannot be so. Liberty and tyranny cannot co-habitate. Liberty can never compromise, for to do so is to embrace tyranny.
This compromising and coming to the table to talk to socialists and fascists does not lead to freedom for the people of the world. It only allows those dictators to stay in power longer.
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7/21/2015 10:09:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
So you think Washington wanted America to become an isolationist state?

I can think of one Asian country that's trying this, it's not working out too well for them.
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