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1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

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1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?
"Praise Allah."
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1/20/2016 12:20:53 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?

The Science, arts, history, entertainment, etc. forums are all dead. The only forums that matter are Games, Politics, religion, society, personal, misc. and the ddo forum.

I forget what the topic was going to be, or if I set a topic in the first place. I will debate you so long as the topic is right.

And by right I mean something that isn't along the lines of "Who won the 100 years wars" which has a definite answer. It doesn't matter the part of history, I know all of it. Literally.... all of it.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/20/2016 1:04:39 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 12:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?

The Science, arts, history, entertainment, etc. forums are all dead. The only forums that matter are Games, Politics, religion, society, personal, misc. and the ddo forum.

I forget what the topic was going to be, or if I set a topic in the first place. I will debate you so long as the topic is right.

And by right I mean something that isn't along the lines of "Who won the 100 years wars" which has a definite answer. It doesn't matter the part of history, I know all of it. Literally.... all of it.

Are you leaning towards any topic in particular? I'd be fine with any, though I'm leaning towards debating on whether the First Crusade was justified.
"Praise Allah."
~YYW
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1/20/2016 1:09:22 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 1:04:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?

The Science, arts, history, entertainment, etc. forums are all dead. The only forums that matter are Games, Politics, religion, society, personal, misc. and the ddo forum.

I forget what the topic was going to be, or if I set a topic in the first place. I will debate you so long as the topic is right.

And by right I mean something that isn't along the lines of "Who won the 100 years wars" which has a definite answer. It doesn't matter the part of history, I know all of it. Literally.... all of it.

Are you leaning towards any topic in particular? I'd be fine with any, though I'm leaning towards debating on whether the First Crusade was justified.

Depends. List them out for me, although I do believe (and so does historical context) that the 1st Crusade was more than justified as a defensive war.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/20/2016 1:10:26 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 1:09:22 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:04:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?

The Science, arts, history, entertainment, etc. forums are all dead. The only forums that matter are Games, Politics, religion, society, personal, misc. and the ddo forum.

I forget what the topic was going to be, or if I set a topic in the first place. I will debate you so long as the topic is right.

And by right I mean something that isn't along the lines of "Who won the 100 years wars" which has a definite answer. It doesn't matter the part of history, I know all of it. Literally.... all of it.

Are you leaning towards any topic in particular? I'd be fine with any, though I'm leaning towards debating on whether the First Crusade was justified.

Depends. List them out for me, although I do believe (and so does historical context) that the 1st Crusade was more than justified as a defensive war.

list out topics or list out my arguments?
"Praise Allah."
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1/20/2016 1:12:02 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 1:10:26 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:09:22 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:04:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?

The Science, arts, history, entertainment, etc. forums are all dead. The only forums that matter are Games, Politics, religion, society, personal, misc. and the ddo forum.

I forget what the topic was going to be, or if I set a topic in the first place. I will debate you so long as the topic is right.

And by right I mean something that isn't along the lines of "Who won the 100 years wars" which has a definite answer. It doesn't matter the part of history, I know all of it. Literally.... all of it.

Are you leaning towards any topic in particular? I'd be fine with any, though I'm leaning towards debating on whether the First Crusade was justified.

Depends. List them out for me, although I do believe (and so does historical context) that the 1st Crusade was more than justified as a defensive war.

list out topics or list out my arguments?

Topics and if you are pro or con on them
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/20/2016 1:19:39 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 1:12:02 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:10:26 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:09:22 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:04:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?

The Science, arts, history, entertainment, etc. forums are all dead. The only forums that matter are Games, Politics, religion, society, personal, misc. and the ddo forum.

I forget what the topic was going to be, or if I set a topic in the first place. I will debate you so long as the topic is right.

And by right I mean something that isn't along the lines of "Who won the 100 years wars" which has a definite answer. It doesn't matter the part of history, I know all of it. Literally.... all of it.

Are you leaning towards any topic in particular? I'd be fine with any, though I'm leaning towards debating on whether the First Crusade was justified.

Depends. List them out for me, although I do believe (and so does historical context) that the 1st Crusade was more than justified as a defensive war.

list out topics or list out my arguments?

Topics and if you are pro or con on them

Okay. Here are a few start off topics:

The First Crusade was justified (Con)

Operation Barbarossa was doomed to fail (Pro)

China would have been better off under the Guomingdang (Pro or Con, position not yet affirmed)

Greece would have been better off under Persian rule (Pro, though I can argue both sides)

The creation of Article 9 was justified (Pro)
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1/20/2016 1:23:49 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 1:19:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:12:02 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:10:26 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:09:22 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:04:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:20:53 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:15:37 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

The Science forum has a similar problem. Pretty much 80% of the threads there are dedicated to Evolution/Creationism or Abortion.

ps: Still up for that history debate you promised 3 weeks ago?

The Science, arts, history, entertainment, etc. forums are all dead. The only forums that matter are Games, Politics, religion, society, personal, misc. and the ddo forum.

I forget what the topic was going to be, or if I set a topic in the first place. I will debate you so long as the topic is right.

And by right I mean something that isn't along the lines of "Who won the 100 years wars" which has a definite answer. It doesn't matter the part of history, I know all of it. Literally.... all of it.

Are you leaning towards any topic in particular? I'd be fine with any, though I'm leaning towards debating on whether the First Crusade was justified.

Depends. List them out for me, although I do believe (and so does historical context) that the 1st Crusade was more than justified as a defensive war.

list out topics or list out my arguments?

Topics and if you are pro or con on them

Okay. Here are a few start off topics:

The First Crusade was justified (Con)

Operation Barbarossa was doomed to fail (Pro)

China would have been better off under the Guomingdang (Pro or Con, position not yet affirmed)

Greece would have been better off under Persian rule (Pro, though I can argue both sides)

The creation of Article 9 was justified (Pro)

I would do the one about the Crusades, although not now. I am far too busy now.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/21/2016 3:37:40 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 1:23:08 PM, BlazingRodent wrote:
Same with Sports and Technology.

Philosophy and News are kind of in the middle.

Yes, but it i just sad, seeing them pot 5 days ago or something.
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1/21/2016 4:08:40 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
No one wants to debate actual history in this forum anymore, as history isn't necessarily up to opinion, but more based on facts.

Everything is political in this forum nowadays, which isn't that bad, but it does detract from the intent of this forum in specific.

Help revive it for us
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8/2/2016 2:13:47 AM
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At 1/20/2016 12:09:46 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:

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8/9/2016 1:15:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 1/20/2016 1:19:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Greece would have been better off under Persian rule (Pro, though I can argue both sides)

That's like saying, "europe would have been better off under arab rule".
It is every easy for you to say, but being Greek myself it sounds utterly stupid.
Greece has played a major role in... everything, even after the end of the Hellenistic period.
If you were a random guy on facebook I'd continue this paragraph with a bunch of ad hominem attacks but that's alright
I actually do not care at all about any refugees, I have said time and time again that Europes external borders should be maintained by autonomous 30mm grenade launchers firing air burst rounds.
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8/9/2016 9:18:26 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/9/2016 1:15:11 PM, JohnF.Kennedy wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:19:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Greece would have been better off under Persian rule (Pro, though I can argue both sides)

That's like saying, "europe would have been better off under arab rule".
It is every easy for you to say, but being Greek myself it sounds utterly stupid.
Greece has played a major role in... everything, even after the end of the Hellenistic period.
If you were a random guy on facebook I'd continue this paragraph with a bunch of ad hominem attacks but that's alright

Most provinces under the Acahmenid Persians were allowed to maintain religious practices and some degree of sovreeignty so long as loyalty to the emperor was maintained (comparable to the later Abbasids), so even if Greece was conquered. Little would have been lost of Greece (culturally speaking) and the governments that the Greek states chose to live under would not have changed much albeit a slight switch in the chain of command.

Given the massive wealth of the Persians at the time, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say Greece would have benefited in some way.
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8/11/2016 9:28:59 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/9/2016 9:18:26 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/9/2016 1:15:11 PM, JohnF.Kennedy wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:19:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Greece would have been better off under Persian rule (Pro, though I can argue both sides)

That's like saying, "europe would have been better off under arab rule".
It is every easy for you to say, but being Greek myself it sounds utterly stupid.
Greece has played a major role in... everything, even after the end of the Hellenistic period.
If you were a random guy on facebook I'd continue this paragraph with a bunch of ad hominem attacks but that's alright

Most provinces under the Acahmenid Persians were allowed to maintain religious practices and some degree of sovreeignty so long as loyalty to the emperor was maintained (comparable to the later Abbasids), so even if Greece was conquered. Little would have been lost of Greece (culturally speaking) and the governments that the Greek states chose to live under would not have changed much albeit a slight switch in the chain of command.

Given the massive wealth of the Persians at the time, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say Greece would have benefited in some way.

Not at all, that's stupid
You think that because we were under Persian occupation for a few years 2 millenia ago, we would be better off now?
We don't care about Persian wealth, is that all there is to it? Money?
I actually do not care at all about any refugees, I have said time and time again that Europes external borders should be maintained by autonomous 30mm grenade launchers firing air burst rounds.
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8/11/2016 12:58:26 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/11/2016 9:28:59 AM, JohnF.Kennedy wrote:
At 8/9/2016 9:18:26 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/9/2016 1:15:11 PM, JohnF.Kennedy wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:19:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Greece would have been better off under Persian rule (Pro, though I can argue both sides)

That's like saying, "europe would have been better off under arab rule".
It is every easy for you to say, but being Greek myself it sounds utterly stupid.
Greece has played a major role in... everything, even after the end of the Hellenistic period.
If you were a random guy on facebook I'd continue this paragraph with a bunch of ad hominem attacks but that's alright

Most provinces under the Acahmenid Persians were allowed to maintain religious practices and some degree of sovreeignty so long as loyalty to the emperor was maintained (comparable to the later Abbasids), so even if Greece was conquered. Little would have been lost of Greece (culturally speaking) and the governments that the Greek states chose to live under would not have changed much albeit a slight switch in the chain of command.

Given the massive wealth of the Persians at the time, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say Greece would have benefited in some way.

Not at all, that's stupid
You think that because we were under Persian occupation for a few years 2 millenia ago, we would be better off now?

Persian Occupation would have probably been longer if the Greek could maintained. If Persian occupation of Greece had lasted long as say, Rome's occupation of Britain then I see little reason why the Greek wouldn't benefit.

We don't care about Persian wealth, is that all there is to it? Money?

Economic benefit was literally only the last sentence of my paragraph long post, I had mentioned sovereignty, religious tolerance and preservation of culture, you're singling everything out.
"Praise Allah."
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8/12/2016 10:58:09 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/11/2016 12:58:26 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/11/2016 9:28:59 AM, JohnF.Kennedy wrote:
At 8/9/2016 9:18:26 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 8/9/2016 1:15:11 PM, JohnF.Kennedy wrote:
At 1/20/2016 1:19:39 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Greece would have been better off under Persian rule (Pro, though I can argue both sides)

That's like saying, "europe would have been better off under arab rule".
It is every easy for you to say, but being Greek myself it sounds utterly stupid.
Greece has played a major role in... everything, even after the end of the Hellenistic period.
If you were a random guy on facebook I'd continue this paragraph with a bunch of ad hominem attacks but that's alright

Most provinces under the Acahmenid Persians were allowed to maintain religious practices and some degree of sovreeignty so long as loyalty to the emperor was maintained (comparable to the later Abbasids), so even if Greece was conquered. Little would have been lost of Greece (culturally speaking) and the governments that the Greek states chose to live under would not have changed much albeit a slight switch in the chain of command.

Given the massive wealth of the Persians at the time, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say Greece would have benefited in some way.

Not at all, that's stupid
You think that because we were under Persian occupation for a few years 2 millenia ago, we would be better off now?

Persian Occupation would have probably been longer if the Greek could maintained. If Persian occupation of Greece had lasted long as say, Rome's occupation of Britain then I see little reason why the Greek wouldn't benefit.


We don't care about Persian wealth, is that all there is to it? Money?

Economic benefit was literally only the last sentence of my paragraph long post, I had mentioned sovereignty, religious tolerance and preservation of culture, you're singling everything out.

I'd rather my nation have full, real, ACTUAL sovereignty. What would happen if Alexander never built his empire? That would leave a huge gap in our history. Greek influence in the middle east and india, all gone, the hellenistic period, never happened.
It would be impossible to not be culturally influenced by a conqueror
I actually do not care at all about any refugees, I have said time and time again that Europes external borders should be maintained by autonomous 30mm grenade launchers firing air burst rounds.
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8/12/2016 11:17:25 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
And to add on to that because I can't edit:
Our language and their gods could be maintained under Persian rule, sure, but the aspects of it that made it distinct couldn't, because they couldn't develop under the political and social situation, where freedom was the most important. The persians set limits and boundaries within of which cultures of the conquered people were allowed to exercise. Maybe they wouldn't be actively oppressed but this effects their free and unrestricted evolution of culture, Greek culture was based on self-confident humanism, the kind that autocratic rule under a king would strive to destroy
I actually do not care at all about any refugees, I have said time and time again that Europes external borders should be maintained by autonomous 30mm grenade launchers firing air burst rounds.