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2/9/2016 3:01:30 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...

Any thoughts about the events outlined in this timeline?
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2/9/2016 11:48:49 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/9/2016 3:01:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...

Any thoughts about the events outlined in this timeline?

Slightly off topic but...

Growing up,I was already in this pro-Israeli mindset (Around 2007). The news were always showing Hamas launching rockets, Bush giving speeches on how Israel is our friend and ally, and pictures of Hamas soldiers always scared me. At the time, I wasn't anti-Islam, but I still supported Israel since I thought terrorists were trying to attack Israel.

My views began to change after a couple years (about 2012). After learning more about Islam, I strongly became a pro-Israel supporter. Almost to the point where I justified it when they killed every Palestinian. The main reason I became even Pro-Israel, because I simply assumed this was the typical Islamic bullsh*t that happens pretty much everywhere else. When muslims don't like somebody or their views, they want to use force to get rid of them. The whole time I thought Palestine simply didn't like Jews, and that every country that surrounded Israel wanted to see them disappear. I supported Israel's right to defend herself.

One day, I decided to read more about the Palestine Israel issue. I learned that Arabs were living there for a very long time, and that the Jews only immigrated as a resettlement plan after WW2. I never understood why people say Israel is not a real country, because to began with, Palestine was not one either. So, the argument that Israel is not a legitimate state, is simply false. I simply read more about the wars and stuff, but what astonished me was that Israel was taking land from Palestine. At this point, it didn't make sense to me.

Israel was already an established country, and the Palestinians only had a small chunk to themselves. Looking at some maps, I realized Israel was simply taking more and more land, and not only that, they were kicking out the people who were living there! You can always pull out the private property card out, but the fact remains you kicked out people from their homes. This is when I started to seriously dislike the Israeli government policy. Obviously if your land is being taken away, you are going to fight back. Who can blame Palestine for fighting back? When you face losing your homes everyday you are going to fight back. The media here never shows that part of the story, it only shows Hamas firing rockets.

I realized I needed to put my personal views on Muslims and Islam aside, and see it as a political struggle. Whether or not Palestine is a savage country with barbaric laws, and horrible people, they should be allowed to own land for themselves. Israel should seriously back of it's aggressive territorial policies, and there should be a 2 state solution.

Some questions that may be asked.

Q: Are you Pro-Israel of Pro-Palestine?

A: I'm Pro-Israel in the sense I support their right to exist, and I think they are the only sane and democratic country in the middle-east. I do however support Palestine's right to exist in a 2 state solution.

Q: What should America do?

A: America should stop blindly support Israel. I still never understand why we love Israel so much. We should support them, but not agree to everything they say. We should support a two state solution, and let Israel handle matters after.

Q: A two state solution wouldn't' stop the violence

It would stop all violence, but it certainly would fix a lot of problems. If Palestine is continuing to attack Israel even after a 2 state solution, then I strongly support Israel's decision to use lethal force.

Links

http://america.aljazeera.com......
http://www.bbc.com......
https://www.washingtonpost.com......
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2/10/2016 9:21:09 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/9/2016 11:48:49 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/9/2016 3:01:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...

Any thoughts about the events outlined in this timeline?

Slightly off topic but...

Growing up,I was already in this pro-Israeli mindset (Around 2007). The news were always showing Hamas launching rockets, Bush giving speeches on how Israel is our friend and ally, and pictures of Hamas soldiers always scared me. At the time, I wasn't anti-Islam, but I still supported Israel since I thought terrorists were trying to attack Israel.

My views began to change after a couple years (about 2012). After learning more about Islam, I strongly became a pro-Israel supporter. Almost to the point where I justified it when they killed every Palestinian. The main reason I became even Pro-Israel, because I simply assumed this was the typical Islamic bullsh*t that happens pretty much everywhere else. When muslims don't like somebody or their views, they want to use force to get rid of them. The whole time I thought Palestine simply didn't like Jews, and that every country that surrounded Israel wanted to see them disappear. I supported Israel's right to defend herself.

One day, I decided to read more about the Palestine Israel issue. I learned that Arabs were living there for a very long time, and that the Jews only immigrated as a resettlement plan after WW2. I never understood why people say Israel is not a real country, because to began with, Palestine was not one either. So, the argument that Israel is not a legitimate state, is simply false. I simply read more about the wars and stuff, but what astonished me was that Israel was taking land from Palestine. At this point, it didn't make sense to me.

Israel was already an established country, and the Palestinians only had a small chunk to themselves. Looking at some maps, I realized Israel was simply taking more and more land, and not only that, they were kicking out the people who were living there! You can always pull out the private property card out, but the fact remains you kicked out people from their homes. This is when I started to seriously dislike the Israeli government policy. Obviously if your land is being taken away, you are going to fight back. Who can blame Palestine for fighting back? When you face losing your homes everyday you are going to fight back. The media here never shows that part of the story, it only shows Hamas firing rockets.

I realized I needed to put my personal views on Muslims and Islam aside, and see it as a political struggle. Whether or not Palestine is a savage country with barbaric laws, and horrible people, they should be allowed to own land for themselves. Israel should seriously back of it's aggressive territorial policies, and there should be a 2 state solution.

Some questions that may be asked.

Q: Are you Pro-Israel of Pro-Palestine?

A: I'm Pro-Israel in the sense I support their right to exist, and I think they are the only sane and democratic country in the middle-east. I do however support Palestine's right to exist in a 2 state solution.

Q: What should America do?

A: America should stop blindly support Israel. I still never understand why we love Israel so much. We should support them, but not agree to everything they say. We should support a two state solution, and let Israel handle matters after.

Q: A two state solution wouldn't' stop the violence

It would stop all violence, but it certainly would fix a lot of problems. If Palestine is continuing to attack Israel even after a 2 state solution, then I strongly support Israel's decision to use lethal force.

Links

http://america.aljazeera.com......
http://www.bbc.com......
https://www.washingtonpost.com......

Other than Benjamin Netanyhu getting away with the murder of arabs i cant really think anything good of israel.
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2/10/2016 10:04:29 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/10/2016 9:21:09 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/9/2016 11:48:49 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/9/2016 3:01:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...

Any thoughts about the events outlined in this timeline?

Slightly off topic but...

Growing up,I was already in this pro-Israeli mindset (Around 2007). The news were always showing Hamas launching rockets, Bush giving speeches on how Israel is our friend and ally, and pictures of Hamas soldiers always scared me. At the time, I wasn't anti-Islam, but I still supported Israel since I thought terrorists were trying to attack Israel.

My views began to change after a couple years (about 2012). After learning more about Islam, I strongly became a pro-Israel supporter. Almost to the point where I justified it when they killed every Palestinian. The main reason I became even Pro-Israel, because I simply assumed this was the typical Islamic bullsh*t that happens pretty much everywhere else. When muslims don't like somebody or their views, they want to use force to get rid of them. The whole time I thought Palestine simply didn't like Jews, and that every country that surrounded Israel wanted to see them disappear. I supported Israel's right to defend herself.

One day, I decided to read more about the Palestine Israel issue. I learned that Arabs were living there for a very long time, and that the Jews only immigrated as a resettlement plan after WW2. I never understood why people say Israel is not a real country, because to began with, Palestine was not one either. So, the argument that Israel is not a legitimate state, is simply false. I simply read more about the wars and stuff, but what astonished me was that Israel was taking land from Palestine. At this point, it didn't make sense to me.

Israel was already an established country, and the Palestinians only had a small chunk to themselves. Looking at some maps, I realized Israel was simply taking more and more land, and not only that, they were kicking out the people who were living there! You can always pull out the private property card out, but the fact remains you kicked out people from their homes. This is when I started to seriously dislike the Israeli government policy. Obviously if your land is being taken away, you are going to fight back. Who can blame Palestine for fighting back? When you face losing your homes everyday you are going to fight back. The media here never shows that part of the story, it only shows Hamas firing rockets.

I realized I needed to put my personal views on Muslims and Islam aside, and see it as a political struggle. Whether or not Palestine is a savage country with barbaric laws, and horrible people, they should be allowed to own land for themselves. Israel should seriously back of it's aggressive territorial policies, and there should be a 2 state solution.

Some questions that may be asked.

Q: Are you Pro-Israel of Pro-Palestine?

A: I'm Pro-Israel in the sense I support their right to exist, and I think they are the only sane and democratic country in the middle-east. I do however support Palestine's right to exist in a 2 state solution.

Q: What should America do?

A: America should stop blindly support Israel. I still never understand why we love Israel so much. We should support them, but not agree to everything they say. We should support a two state solution, and let Israel handle matters after.

Q: A two state solution wouldn't' stop the violence

It would stop all violence, but it certainly would fix a lot of problems. If Palestine is continuing to attack Israel even after a 2 state solution, then I strongly support Israel's decision to use lethal force.

Links

http://america.aljazeera.com......
http://www.bbc.com......
https://www.washingtonpost.com......

Other than Benjamin Netanyhu getting away with the murder of arabs i cant really think anything good of israel.

Israel is secular, and is the only functioning democracy. It's better than those bloody muslims in the neighboring who are killing each other, and murder other people for sure.
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2/11/2016 12:24:38 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/10/2016 10:04:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/10/2016 9:21:09 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/9/2016 11:48:49 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/9/2016 3:01:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...

Any thoughts about the events outlined in this timeline?

Slightly off topic but...

Growing up,I was already in this pro-Israeli mindset (Around 2007). The news were always showing Hamas launching rockets, Bush giving speeches on how Israel is our friend and ally, and pictures of Hamas soldiers always scared me. At the time, I wasn't anti-Islam, but I still supported Israel since I thought terrorists were trying to attack Israel.

My views began to change after a couple years (about 2012). After learning more about Islam, I strongly became a pro-Israel supporter. Almost to the point where I justified it when they killed every Palestinian. The main reason I became even Pro-Israel, because I simply assumed this was the typical Islamic bullsh*t that happens pretty much everywhere else. When muslims don't like somebody or their views, they want to use force to get rid of them. The whole time I thought Palestine simply didn't like Jews, and that every country that surrounded Israel wanted to see them disappear. I supported Israel's right to defend herself.

One day, I decided to read more about the Palestine Israel issue. I learned that Arabs were living there for a very long time, and that the Jews only immigrated as a resettlement plan after WW2. I never understood why people say Israel is not a real country, because to began with, Palestine was not one either. So, the argument that Israel is not a legitimate state, is simply false. I simply read more about the wars and stuff, but what astonished me was that Israel was taking land from Palestine. At this point, it didn't make sense to me.

Israel was already an established country, and the Palestinians only had a small chunk to themselves. Looking at some maps, I realized Israel was simply taking more and more land, and not only that, they were kicking out the people who were living there! You can always pull out the private property card out, but the fact remains you kicked out people from their homes. This is when I started to seriously dislike the Israeli government policy. Obviously if your land is being taken away, you are going to fight back. Who can blame Palestine for fighting back? When you face losing your homes everyday you are going to fight back. The media here never shows that part of the story, it only shows Hamas firing rockets.

I realized I needed to put my personal views on Muslims and Islam aside, and see it as a political struggle. Whether or not Palestine is a savage country with barbaric laws, and horrible people, they should be allowed to own land for themselves. Israel should seriously back of it's aggressive territorial policies, and there should be a 2 state solution.

Some questions that may be asked.

Q: Are you Pro-Israel of Pro-Palestine?

A: I'm Pro-Israel in the sense I support their right to exist, and I think they are the only sane and democratic country in the middle-east. I do however support Palestine's right to exist in a 2 state solution.

Q: What should America do?

A: America should stop blindly support Israel. I still never understand why we love Israel so much. We should support them, but not agree to everything they say. We should support a two state solution, and let Israel handle matters after.

Q: A two state solution wouldn't' stop the violence

It would stop all violence, but it certainly would fix a lot of problems. If Palestine is continuing to attack Israel even after a 2 state solution, then I strongly support Israel's decision to use lethal force.

Links

http://america.aljazeera.com......
http://www.bbc.com......
https://www.washingtonpost.com......

Other than Benjamin Netanyhu getting away with the murder of arabs i cant really think anything good of israel.

Israel is secular, and is the only functioning democracy. It's better than those bloody muslims in the neighboring who are killing each other, and murder other people for sure.

Israel....secular? HAHAHAH. Okay Okay Okay. Whooo. Man that was hilarious. Hahahaha. Democracy??? Bit like right wing fascism. I respect that though (Not the right wing part of course)
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2/11/2016 12:38:46 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 12:24:38 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/10/2016 10:04:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/10/2016 9:21:09 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/9/2016 11:48:49 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/9/2016 3:01:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...

Any thoughts about the events outlined in this timeline?

Slightly off topic but...

Growing up,I was already in this pro-Israeli mindset (Around 2007). The news were always showing Hamas launching rockets, Bush giving speeches on how Israel is our friend and ally, and pictures of Hamas soldiers always scared me. At the time, I wasn't anti-Islam, but I still supported Israel since I thought terrorists were trying to attack Israel.

My views began to change after a couple years (about 2012). After learning more about Islam, I strongly became a pro-Israel supporter. Almost to the point where I justified it when they killed every Palestinian. The main reason I became even Pro-Israel, because I simply assumed this was the typical Islamic bullsh*t that happens pretty much everywhere else. When muslims don't like somebody or their views, they want to use force to get rid of them. The whole time I thought Palestine simply didn't like Jews, and that every country that surrounded Israel wanted to see them disappear. I supported Israel's right to defend herself.

One day, I decided to read more about the Palestine Israel issue. I learned that Arabs were living there for a very long time, and that the Jews only immigrated as a resettlement plan after WW2. I never understood why people say Israel is not a real country, because to began with, Palestine was not one either. So, the argument that Israel is not a legitimate state, is simply false. I simply read more about the wars and stuff, but what astonished me was that Israel was taking land from Palestine. At this point, it didn't make sense to me.

Israel was already an established country, and the Palestinians only had a small chunk to themselves. Looking at some maps, I realized Israel was simply taking more and more land, and not only that, they were kicking out the people who were living there! You can always pull out the private property card out, but the fact remains you kicked out people from their homes. This is when I started to seriously dislike the Israeli government policy. Obviously if your land is being taken away, you are going to fight back. Who can blame Palestine for fighting back? When you face losing your homes everyday you are going to fight back. The media here never shows that part of the story, it only shows Hamas firing rockets.

I realized I needed to put my personal views on Muslims and Islam aside, and see it as a political struggle. Whether or not Palestine is a savage country with barbaric laws, and horrible people, they should be allowed to own land for themselves. Israel should seriously back of it's aggressive territorial policies, and there should be a 2 state solution.

Some questions that may be asked.

Q: Are you Pro-Israel of Pro-Palestine?

A: I'm Pro-Israel in the sense I support their right to exist, and I think they are the only sane and democratic country in the middle-east. I do however support Palestine's right to exist in a 2 state solution.

Q: What should America do?

A: America should stop blindly support Israel. I still never understand why we love Israel so much. We should support them, but not agree to everything they say. We should support a two state solution, and let Israel handle matters after.

Q: A two state solution wouldn't' stop the violence

It would stop all violence, but it certainly would fix a lot of problems. If Palestine is continuing to attack Israel even after a 2 state solution, then I strongly support Israel's decision to use lethal force.

Links

http://america.aljazeera.com......
http://www.bbc.com......
https://www.washingtonpost.com......

Other than Benjamin Netanyhu getting away with the murder of arabs i cant really think anything good of israel.

Israel is secular, and is the only functioning democracy. It's better than those bloody muslims in the neighboring who are killing each other, and murder other people for sure.

Israel....secular? HAHAHAH. Okay Okay Okay. Whooo. Man that was hilarious. Hahahaha. Democracy??? Bit like right wing fascism. I respect that though (Not the right wing part of course)

Israel is a democracy where all citizens (of age) can elect and be elected, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or religion.
Israel protects freedom of press and expression and in it's parliament one can find members who justify terrorism as means of resistance to Israeli occupation on the one hand, and members who support an annexation of the West Bank to create a Jewish state from the Jordan river to the sea on the other. The spectrum of political movements that are not considered illegal is very broad, and you can find socialists, libertarians, Islamic Movement (similar to the Muslim Brotherhood which is outlawed in several Arab countries), messianic ultra-nationalist settlers groups, Palestinian nationalists and even some moderates.
Discrimination in the work place on ethnic, religious, gender, sexual orientation grounds is illegal.
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2/11/2016 12:40:41 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 12:38:46 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/11/2016 12:24:38 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/10/2016 10:04:29 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/10/2016 9:21:09 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/9/2016 11:48:49 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/9/2016 3:01:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org...

Any thoughts about the events outlined in this timeline?

Slightly off topic but...

Growing up,I was already in this pro-Israeli mindset (Around 2007). The news were always showing Hamas launching rockets, Bush giving speeches on how Israel is our friend and ally, and pictures of Hamas soldiers always scared me. At the time, I wasn't anti-Islam, but I still supported Israel since I thought terrorists were trying to attack Israel.

My views began to change after a couple years (about 2012). After learning more about Islam, I strongly became a pro-Israel supporter. Almost to the point where I justified it when they killed every Palestinian. The main reason I became even Pro-Israel, because I simply assumed this was the typical Islamic bullsh*t that happens pretty much everywhere else. When muslims don't like somebody or their views, they want to use force to get rid of them. The whole time I thought Palestine simply didn't like Jews, and that every country that surrounded Israel wanted to see them disappear. I supported Israel's right to defend herself.

One day, I decided to read more about the Palestine Israel issue. I learned that Arabs were living there for a very long time, and that the Jews only immigrated as a resettlement plan after WW2. I never understood why people say Israel is not a real country, because to began with, Palestine was not one either. So, the argument that Israel is not a legitimate state, is simply false. I simply read more about the wars and stuff, but what astonished me was that Israel was taking land from Palestine. At this point, it didn't make sense to me.

Israel was already an established country, and the Palestinians only had a small chunk to themselves. Looking at some maps, I realized Israel was simply taking more and more land, and not only that, they were kicking out the people who were living there! You can always pull out the private property card out, but the fact remains you kicked out people from their homes. This is when I started to seriously dislike the Israeli government policy. Obviously if your land is being taken away, you are going to fight back. Who can blame Palestine for fighting back? When you face losing your homes everyday you are going to fight back. The media here never shows that part of the story, it only shows Hamas firing rockets.

I realized I needed to put my personal views on Muslims and Islam aside, and see it as a political struggle. Whether or not Palestine is a savage country with barbaric laws, and horrible people, they should be allowed to own land for themselves. Israel should seriously back of it's aggressive territorial policies, and there should be a 2 state solution.

Some questions that may be asked.

Q: Are you Pro-Israel of Pro-Palestine?

A: I'm Pro-Israel in the sense I support their right to exist, and I think they are the only sane and democratic country in the middle-east. I do however support Palestine's right to exist in a 2 state solution.

Q: What should America do?

A: America should stop blindly support Israel. I still never understand why we love Israel so much. We should support them, but not agree to everything they say. We should support a two state solution, and let Israel handle matters after.

Q: A two state solution wouldn't' stop the violence

It would stop all violence, but it certainly would fix a lot of problems. If Palestine is continuing to attack Israel even after a 2 state solution, then I strongly support Israel's decision to use lethal force.

Links

http://america.aljazeera.com......
http://www.bbc.com......
https://www.washingtonpost.com......

Other than Benjamin Netanyhu getting away with the murder of arabs i cant really think anything good of israel.

Israel is secular, and is the only functioning democracy. It's better than those bloody muslims in the neighboring who are killing each other, and murder other people for sure.

Israel....secular? HAHAHAH. Okay Okay Okay. Whooo. Man that was hilarious. Hahahaha. Democracy??? Bit like right wing fascism. I respect that though (Not the right wing part of course)

Israel is a democracy where all citizens (of age) can elect and be elected, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or religion.
Israel protects freedom of press and expression and in it's parliament one can find members who justify terrorism as means of resistance to Israeli occupation on the one hand, and members who support an annexation of the West Bank to create a Jewish state from the Jordan river to the sea on the other. The spectrum of political movements that are not considered illegal is very broad, and you can find socialists, libertarians, Islamic Movement (similar to the Muslim Brotherhood which is outlawed in several Arab countries), messianic ultra-nationalist settlers groups, Palestinian nationalists and even some moderates.
Discrimination in the work place on ethnic, religious, gender, sexual orientation grounds is illegal.

Or what if they just want you to think that. Doesn't it surprise it that the same ultra right wing nut got elected twice? When he crashed the economy and made things hella more expensive? Discrimantion is illegal? The government tells you what you can and cant do? Yeah very democratic :D
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