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3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people are so full of doubts.
-Bertrand Russell

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Guatama Siddharta, also known as Buddha
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3/6/2016 6:42:52 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

This is a good question. I would say that basic morality concerning that which is right and that which is wrong has been the same throughout history. So that being said, I would suppose to say that, yes, they were viewed as evil during their times, as modern standards of good and evil do not differ much from then.
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3/6/2016 6:57:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/6/2016 6:42:52 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

This is a good question. I would say that basic morality concerning that which is right and that which is wrong has been the same throughout history. So that being said, I would suppose to say that, yes, they were viewed as evil during their times, as modern standards of good and evil do not differ much from then.

But for the most part, they weren't. They were viewed as normal kings, doing everything they could to make themselves richer and more powerful. Well, their enemies didn't see them that way, but their subjects did. The modern enemies of the US view us as evil, so...
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people are so full of doubts.
-Bertrand Russell

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Guatama Siddharta, also known as Buddha
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3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil
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3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...
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3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....
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3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

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All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

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3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet
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3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system
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3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that
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3/7/2016 4:51:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

Because that's similar to what Hitler did XD
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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3/7/2016 4:52:18 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

And you make a lot of Jew jokes so...
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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3/7/2016 4:54:20 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:51:46 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

Because that's similar to what Hitler did XD

Actually genetic perfection was first engineered by america. And I dont support killing jews
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3/7/2016 4:55:23 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:52:18 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

And you make a lot of Jew jokes so...

F*ck the jews
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3/7/2016 4:56:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:54:20 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:51:46 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

Because that's similar to what Hitler did XD

Actually genetic perfection was first engineered by america. And I dont support killing jews

I don't think we killed people because they had a gimp leg though...
Also, I don't think overpopulation is anywhere near a problem right now.
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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3/7/2016 4:56:14 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:55:23 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:52:18 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

And you make a lot of Jew jokes so...

F*ck the jews

Point made
You're probably thinking right now "haha I'm a genius". Well you're not -Valkrin

inferno: "I don't know, are you attracted to women?"
ButterCatX: "No, Vaarka is mine!"

All hail scum Vaarka, wielder of the bastard sword, smiter of nations, destroyer of spiders -VOT

"Vaarka, I've been thinking about this for a long time now," (pulls out small box made of macaroni) "W-will you be my noodle buddy?" -Kirigaya
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3/7/2016 4:57:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 4:56:00 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:54:20 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:51:46 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

Because that's similar to what Hitler did XD

Actually genetic perfection was first engineered by america. And I dont support killing jews

I don't think we killed people because they had a gimp leg though...
Also, I don't think overpopulation is anywhere near a problem right now.

We had forced sterilization and medical research
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3/7/2016 5:01:48 PM
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At 3/7/2016 4:57:50 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:56:00 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:54:20 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:51:46 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

Because that's similar to what Hitler did XD

Actually genetic perfection was first engineered by america. And I dont support killing jews

I don't think we killed people because they had a gimp leg though...
Also, I don't think overpopulation is anywhere near a problem right now.

We had forced sterilization and medical research

But did we kill them?
Also, does that make what we did evil too, or was it justified?
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3/7/2016 5:04:56 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 5:01:48 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:57:50 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:56:00 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:54:20 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:51:46 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:49:03 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:41:27 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:39:07 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 4:34:07 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:55:36 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:51:51 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:43:18 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/7/2016 3:32:58 PM, Vaarka wrote:
At 3/6/2016 8:05:46 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

Dont put this on history forum

But no there is no such thing as evil

I think a person/group of people who causes genocide, or kills tons of their own people for personal gain, can be considered evil...

Not really.....

Why not?

Because wiping out people is good for the planet

How so?

We are overpopulating the earth plus killing the mentally retarded and weak of society will create less of a strain of the system

Well ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have found our next Hitler. Let us all welcome him to DDO.

.....

God dam n it why is everyone saying that

Because that's similar to what Hitler did XD

Actually genetic perfection was first engineered by america. And I dont support killing jews

I don't think we killed people because they had a gimp leg though...
Also, I don't think overpopulation is anywhere near a problem right now.

We had forced sterilization and medical research

But did we kill them?
Also, does that make what we did evil too, or was it justified?

No we didnt kill

Yes eugenics is justified
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3/10/2016 3:59:11 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 5:27:34 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
Is Genghis Khan as evil as Adolf Hitler? Is Alexander the Great as evil as Joseph Stalin? If, in the time of a person, everyone is evil by modern standards, does that make them the same as someone viewed as evil today?

It's nonsensical.

Genghis Khan was also far from evil by any standard. People assume that the Mongols were illiterate barbarians, but they actually followed a complicated secret code of laws known as the Yassa, compiled from accumulated military decrees, and refined under the advice of many religious leaders from across the empire. They formed an incredibly expansive and well-ordered system of governance, and brought peace and order to many of their conquered peoples. They oversaw the Silk Road, almost in its entirety, and the region flourished up until the black death tore through Central Asia. Karakorum was just as much a jewel of their era as Rome was of its.

Basically, most people in the West have an incredibly naive and, frankly, stupid view of the world: they see war and the death which it brings as inherently bad. They aren't, they're a part of human nature, and are instrumental to the growth of civilizations. They break old barriers so that new things can be built, and temper men in the same way that a furnace tempers iron in to steel.

'Against war it can be said: it makes the victor stupid, the defeated malicious. In favor of war: through producing these two effects it barbarizes and therefore makes more natural; it is the winter or hibernation time of culture, and mankind emerges from it with greater strength for good and for evil.'
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3/10/2016 6:55:27 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/10/2016 3:59:11 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Genghis Khan was also far from evil by any standard. People assume that the Mongols were illiterate barbarians, but they actually followed a complicated secret code of laws known as the Yassa, compiled from accumulated military decrees, and refined under the advice of many religious leaders from across the empire.

I think people assume the Mongols were illiterate barbarians *before* Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan is seen as the "civilizer" of the Mongols (regardless of how true that is).
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3/12/2016 3:58:09 AM
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At 3/10/2016 3:59:11 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Genghis Khan was also far from evil by any standard. People assume that the Mongols were illiterate barbarians, but they actually followed a complicated secret code of laws known as the Yassa, compiled from accumulated military decrees, and refined under the advice of many religious leaders from across the empire. They formed an incredibly expansive and well-ordered system of governance, and brought peace and order to many of their conquered peoples. They oversaw the Silk Road, almost in its entirety, and the region flourished up until the black death tore through Central Asia. Karakorum was just as much a jewel of their era as Rome was of its.

Let me imagine a hypothetical scenario. Imagine Hitler had won. Imagine he united Europe in it's entirety. (He may very well have wanted to go farther, but for the sake of argument, he didn't.) He made peace with all countries outside of Europe. Imagine trade flourished blossoming into the most prosperous era in human history. Imagine Berlin became the most illustrious city in the world. Imagine Hitler and the Nazis organized the land so well, the system would be used for centuries afterwards. Would this hypothetical scenario make Hitler less evil? No. Even if one were to make a ends justify means argument, the ends were not the intended one (at least not the primary one) . Both Hitler and Genghis had personal, selfish goals for individual gain.

Basically, most people in the West have an incredibly naive and, frankly, stupid view of the world: they see war and the death which it brings as inherently bad. They aren't, they're a part of human nature, and are instrumental to the growth of civilizations. They break old barriers so that new things can be built, and temper men in the same way that a furnace tempers iron in to steel.

You are, to parrot the old line, shooting an arrow and pointing a bullseye around it. You use a naturalistic fallacy to claim that mass homicide is good. Your logic hinges on the idea that any possible world that is different than ours is worse than it. Genghis Khan would have been more acceptable as a historical arsonist had he been burning away the rotting deadwood. But instead, the Mongol flame engulfed the two most technologically advanced regions in his day, the most luscious green forests: China and the Caliphate. You cannot call the massacre of the world's great civilization "temper[ing] men in the same way a furnace tempers iron into steel" when you have no knowledge of whether the "iron" is more valuable than the "steel" is.

'Against war it can be said: it makes the victor stupid, the defeated malicious. In favor of war: through producing these two effects it barbarizes and therefore makes more natural; it is the winter or hibernation time of culture, and mankind emerges from it with greater strength for good and for evil.'
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Is there a Nietzche quote you can find in support of genocide?

If you would be up for it, I would like to debate you on this subject. PM me if you want to.
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3/12/2016 4:41:46 AM
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At 3/12/2016 3:58:09 AM, TheOregonian wrote:
At 3/10/2016 3:59:11 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Genghis Khan was also far from evil by any standard. People assume that the Mongols were illiterate barbarians, but they actually followed a complicated secret code of laws known as the Yassa, compiled from accumulated military decrees, and refined under the advice of many religious leaders from across the empire. They formed an incredibly expansive and well-ordered system of governance, and brought peace and order to many of their conquered peoples. They oversaw the Silk Road, almost in its entirety, and the region flourished up until the black death tore through Central Asia. Karakorum was just as much a jewel of their era as Rome was of its.

Let me imagine a hypothetical scenario. Imagine Hitler had won. Imagine he united Europe in it's entirety. (He may very well have wanted to go farther, but for the sake of argument, he didn't.) He made peace with all countries outside of Europe. Imagine trade flourished blossoming into the most prosperous era in human history. Imagine Berlin became the most illustrious city in the world. Imagine Hitler and the Nazis organized the land so well, the system would be used for centuries afterwards. Would this hypothetical scenario make Hitler less evil?

In that situation, Hitler likely wouldn't have exterminated the Jews in the way that he did as he began to lose the war. The US, likewise, may have begun to slaughter the Japanese had they invaded the mainland and started to work their way inland. The holocaust was greatly magnified by Nazi desperation, as all tragedies are. I think that calling Hitler 'evil' is pointless anyway. It's a distraction, a way to cast him out as something other and alien. The fact of the matter is that Hitler was a man, a human being, and that we can only understand him by examining his motives, circumstances, and actions. I think that that simple fact scares people, so instead they just go OMG, Hitler EVIL.

No. Even if one were to make a ends justify means argument, the ends were not the intended one (at least not the primary one) . Both Hitler and Genghis had personal, selfish goals for individual gain.

All people have personal, selfish goals for individual gains.

Basically, most people in the West have an incredibly naive and, frankly, stupid view of the world: they see war and the death which it brings as inherently bad. They aren't, they're a part of human nature, and are instrumental to the growth of civilizations. They break old barriers so that new things can be built, and temper men in the same way that a furnace tempers iron in to steel.

You are, to parrot the old line, shooting an arrow and pointing a bullseye around it. You use a naturalistic fallacy to claim that mass homicide is good. Your logic hinges on the idea that any possible world that is different than ours is worse than it. Genghis Khan would have been more acceptable as a historical arsonist had he been burning away the rotting deadwood. But instead, the Mongol flame engulfed the two most technologically advanced regions in his day, the most luscious green forests: China and the Caliphate. You cannot call the massacre of the world's great civilization "temper[ing] men in the same way a furnace tempers iron into steel" when you have no knowledge of whether the "iron" is more valuable than the "steel" is.

It also birthed the Mughal Empire, the Timurid Empire, and was highly entwined with the Oghuz Turk (Seljuk and Ottoman) Empires, and led to the Yuan dynasty. As part of the larger Mongol world, the Yuan dynasty saw unprecedented cultural growth and an explosion of trade. Up until this time, Central Asian tribes had blocked in China and constantly needled their flanks, back from the times of the Xiongnu during the Qin and Han dynasties. The full opening of the silk road connected China to the West like never before. China and Persia didn't die, they were transformed. They also only destroyed the Abbasid Caliphate, which was already fracturing very heavily at that point.

'Against war it can be said: it makes the victor stupid, the defeated malicious. In favor of war: through producing these two effects it barbarizes and therefore makes more natural; it is the winter or hibernation time of culture, and mankind emerges from it with greater strength for good and for evil.'
- Human, All Too Human, Friedrich Nietzche -

Is there a Nietzche quote you can find in support of genocide?

If you would be up for it, I would like to debate you on this subject. PM me if you want to.

What would the resolution be?
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3/12/2016 4:24:52 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/12/2016 4:41:46 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/12/2016 3:58:09 AM, TheOregonian wrote:

Let me imagine a hypothetical scenario. Imagine Hitler had won. Imagine he united Europe in it's entirety. (He may very well have wanted to go farther, but for the sake of argument, he didn't.) He made peace with all countries outside of Europe. Imagine trade flourished blossoming into the most prosperous era in human history. Imagine Berlin became the most illustrious city in the world. Imagine Hitler and the Nazis organized the land so well, the system would be used for centuries afterwards. Would this hypothetical scenario make Hitler less evil?

In that situation, Hitler likely wouldn't have exterminated the Jews in the way that he did as he began to lose the war. The US, likewise, may have begun to slaughter the Japanese had they invaded the mainland and started to work their way inland. The holocaust was greatly magnified by Nazi desperation, as all tragedies are. I think that calling Hitler 'evil' is pointless anyway. It's a distraction, a way to cast him out as something other and alien. The fact of the matter is that Hitler was a man, a human being, and that we can only understand him by examining his motives, circumstances, and actions. I think that that simple fact scares people, so instead they just go OMG, Hitler EVIL.

The purpose of the hypothetical scenario was to provide an example of a person who was genuinely evil, yet caused what appears to be a positive outcome.

EVIL
adjective
1.
profoundly immoral and malevolent.

One cannot strictly judge morality without bias, which leaves us with
MALEVOLENT
adjective
1.
wishing harm on others

Hitler wished a great deal of harm to a great many people. So did Genghis Khan. And they were in the position to do as the wished.

No. Even if one were to make a ends justify means argument, the ends were not the intended one (at least not the primary one) . Both Hitler and Genghis had personal, selfish goals for individual gain.

All people have personal, selfish goals for individual gains.

Yes, of course, including those who accidentally cause a good scenario. We should not call them a good force when the positive effect is the byproduct of the massacre of millions.

You are, to parrot the old line, shooting an arrow and pointing a bullseye around it. You use a naturalistic fallacy to claim that mass homicide is good. Your logic hinges on the idea that any possible world that is different than ours is worse than it. Genghis Khan would have been more acceptable as a historical arsonist had he been burning away the rotting deadwood. But instead, the Mongol flame engulfed the two most technologically advanced regions in his day, the most luscious green forests: China and the Caliphate. You cannot call the massacre of the world's great civilization "temper[ing] men in the same way a furnace tempers iron into steel" when you have no knowledge of whether the "iron" is more valuable than the "steel" is.

It also birthed the Mughal Empire, the Timurid Empire, and was highly entwined with the Oghuz Turk (Seljuk and Ottoman) Empires, and led to the Yuan dynasty. As part of the larger Mongol world, the Yuan dynasty saw unprecedented cultural growth and an explosion of trade. Up until this time, Central Asian tribes had blocked in China and constantly needled their flanks, back from the times of the Xiongnu during the Qin and Han dynasties. The full opening of the silk road connected China to the West like never before. China and Persia didn't die, they were transformed. They also only destroyed the Abbasid Caliphate, which was already fracturing very heavily at that point.

Yes, but again, to say this is a positive, you must assume that what came before the transformation was worse than the product. The House of Wisdom in Baghdad was the Library of Alexandria of its day, a complete compilation of all available human knowledge. The Mongols burnt it down. More than that, the Mongols killed off millions wherever they went. They have been praised for creating the most efficient, systematic, pre-gunpowder massacre machine. They would distribute the population between their soldiers, and tell them each to bring back an assigned number of left ears. It's truly amazing, how well they destroyed entire civilizations.

'Against war it can be said: it makes the victor stupid, the defeated malicious. In favor of war: through producing these two effects it barbarizes and therefore makes more natural; it is the winter or hibernation time of culture, and mankind emerges from it with greater strength for good and for evil.'
- Human, All Too Human, Friedrich Nietzche -

Is there a Nietzche quote you can find in support of genocide?

If you would be up for it, I would like to debate you on this subject. PM me if you want to.

What would the resolution be?

Assuming Evil Exists, Genghis Khan is Evil

I would be Pro, you would be Con.
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3/13/2016 1:54:56 AM
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In general, if you murder and rape a lot of people, you are considered evil, whether a thousand years ago or today.
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3/13/2016 1:57:16 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/12/2016 4:24:52 PM, TheOregonian wrote:
At 3/12/2016 4:41:46 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/12/2016 3:58:09 AM, TheOregonian wrote:

Let me imagine a hypothetical scenario. Imagine Hitler had won. Imagine he united Europe in it's entirety. (He may very well have wanted to go farther, but for the sake of argument, he didn't.) He made peace with all countries outside of Europe. Imagine trade flourished blossoming into the most prosperous era in human history. Imagine Berlin became the most illustrious city in the world. Imagine Hitler and the Nazis organized the land so well, the system would be used for centuries afterwards. Would this hypothetical scenario make Hitler less evil?

In that situation, Hitler likely wouldn't have exterminated the Jews in the way that he did as he began to lose the war. The US, likewise, may have begun to slaughter the Japanese had they invaded the mainland and started to work their way inland. The holocaust was greatly magnified by Nazi desperation, as all tragedies are. I think that calling Hitler 'evil' is pointless anyway. It's a distraction, a way to cast him out as something other and alien. The fact of the matter is that Hitler was a man, a human being, and that we can only understand him by examining his motives, circumstances, and actions. I think that that simple fact scares people, so instead they just go OMG, Hitler EVIL.

The purpose of the hypothetical scenario was to provide an example of a person who was genuinely evil, yet caused what appears to be a positive outcome.

EVIL
adjective
1.
profoundly immoral and malevolent.

One cannot strictly judge morality without bias, which leaves us with
MALEVOLENT
adjective
1.
wishing harm on others

Hitler wished a great deal of harm to a great many people. So did Genghis Khan. And they were in the position to do as the wished.

No. Even if one were to make a ends justify means argument, the ends were not the intended one (at least not the primary one) . Both Hitler and Genghis had personal, selfish goals for individual gain.

All people have personal, selfish goals for individual gains.

Yes, of course, including those who accidentally cause a good scenario. We should not call them a good force when the positive effect is the byproduct of the massacre of millions.

You are, to parrot the old line, shooting an arrow and pointing a bullseye around it. You use a naturalistic fallacy to claim that mass homicide is good. Your logic hinges on the idea that any possible world that is different than ours is worse than it. Genghis Khan would have been more acceptable as a historical arsonist had he been burning away the rotting deadwood. But instead, the Mongol flame engulfed the two most technologically advanced regions in his day, the most luscious green forests: China and the Caliphate. You cannot call the massacre of the world's great civilization "temper[ing] men in the same way a furnace tempers iron into steel" when you have no knowledge of whether the "iron" is more valuable than the "steel" is.

It also birthed the Mughal Empire, the Timurid Empire, and was highly entwined with the Oghuz Turk (Seljuk and Ottoman) Empires, and led to the Yuan dynasty. As part of the larger Mongol world, the Yuan dynasty saw unprecedented cultural growth and an explosion of trade. Up until this time, Central Asian tribes had blocked in China and constantly needled their flanks, back from the times of the Xiongnu during the Qin and Han dynasties. The full opening of the silk road connected China to the West like never before. China and Persia didn't die, they were transformed. They also only destroyed the Abbasid Caliphate, which was already fracturing very heavily at that point.

Yes, but again, to say this is a positive, you must assume that what came before the transformation was worse than the product. The House of Wisdom in Baghdad was the Library of Alexandria of its day, a complete compilation of all available human knowledge. The Mongols burnt it down.

That knowledge wasn't lost; it existed in Cordoba as well to a large degree, and in Cairo. The Caliphates were expansive. Hulagu Khan also did that of his own accord, and his brother, Berke Khan, was appalled by the Siege and the execution of the Caliph. He held a lifelong grudge over the debacle, and went to war with the Ilkhanate later on:

"He (Hulagu) has sacked all the cities of the Muslims, and has brought about the death of the Caliph. With the help of God I will call him to account for so much innocent blood."

More than that, the Mongols killed off millions wherever they went.

You don't know much about the Mongols, to be frank. They were brutally efficient militarily, but their brilliance lied chiefly with their strategic thinkers. Subutai was one of the greatest generals to ever live (if not the greatest), and he was the exact opposite of a wanton butcher. Like all great generals, his goals was victory at the smallest price.

They have been praised for creating the most efficient, systematic, pre-gunpowder massacre machine. They would distribute the population between their soldiers, and tell them each to bring back an assigned number of left ears.

Source? The only time I heard about ear-chopping was the Battle of Legnica, and it was used as a means of counting the dead. I could have missed references, but I'm skeptical.

It's truly amazing, how well they destroyed entire civilizations.

It would be amazing if they actually had done that. But you've done nothing to address the examples which I gave of societies which improved under Mongol rule.

'Against war it can be said: it makes the victor stupid, the defeated malicious. In favor of war: through producing these two effects it barbarizes and therefore makes more natural; it is the winter or hibernation time of culture, and mankind emerges from it with greater strength for good and for evil.'
- Human, All Too Human, Friedrich Nietzche -

Is there a Nietzche quote you can find in support of genocide?

If you would be up for it, I would like to debate you on this subject. PM me if you want to.

What would the resolution be?

Assuming Evil Exists, Genghis Khan is Evil

I would be Pro, you would be Con.

We would have to define evil. I think 'harmful on balance' would make for a more interesting debate.
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4/3/2016 3:54:02 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/13/2016 1:57:16 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:

That knowledge wasn't lost; it existed in Cordoba as well to a large degree, and in Cairo.

- Actually, it's pretty much established that much of it was lost in Baghdad.

You don't know much about the Mongols, to be frank.

- Come on. You'd be hard pressed to find a bloodier conquest than the Mongol Invasion.

It would be amazing if they actually had done that.

- Almost though. The Mongol Invasion was the single major cause of the decline of the Islamic, & particularly Arab, civilisation.
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At 4/3/2016 3:54:02 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 3/13/2016 1:57:16 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:

That knowledge wasn't lost; it existed in Cordoba as well to a large degree, and in Cairo.

- Actually, it's pretty much established that much of it was lost in Baghdad.

Some, I don't think most. Some were taken out before the sacking, their was knowledge-sharing between Baghdad and Cairo for about two centuries prior to the destruction, and Al-Hakam II had funded the large-scale transport of manuscripts to Cordoba almost three centuries prior. It was certainly a tragedy on the scale of the burning of the Library of Alexandria, but the combined knowledge of a civilization is not so fragile a thing as to be destroyed in one building, or even city.

You don't know much about the Mongols, to be frank.

- Come on. You'd be hard pressed to find a bloodier conquest than the Mongol Invasion.

Yeah, but it was one invasion, and as I pointed out it was deplored by a lot of Mongol leaders, to the point of Berke Khan declaring war on Hulagu Khan afterwards with the Sack of Baghdad as justification. It's not really reflective of Mongol society as a whole, which also brought forth the Mughal Empire, the Golden Horde, and the Ilkhanate.
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