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Jovian
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3/11/2016 8:51:52 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Anyone here who is into that delicate discussion? Were they white, black or looked like today's Egyptians do?
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3/12/2016 8:56:50 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/11/2016 8:51:52 PM, Jovian wrote:
Anyone here who is into that delicate discussion? Were they white, black or looked like today's Egyptians do?
Obviously African - most likely light to dark brown.
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3/12/2016 10:00:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
It's unlikely they were actually white--but there's definitely a dispute on as to whether they were merely brown(ish)-skinned or in fact black, and there seemingly isn't a clear answer.

I think it's pretty likely that their appearance reflected a mixture of Levantine *and* Saharan origin, so they would have been mostly dark-skinned (possibly passing as black) but seemingly fine-featured as well.
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3/13/2016 1:52:46 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Today's Egyptian's have mixed blood. There was sex with Asians because of the Silk Road. Then Napoleon's army screwed a lot of women. Egyptian women loved white because it was something exotic and new. Today, there is a lighter tan color because of all the white dudes sleeping with the women.
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4/21/2016 4:36:55 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
You have to notice the dispersion of the Caucasoid. The Caucasoid is dispersed throughout the entirety of Europe, as well as the entirety of Northern Africa (the Saharan region) as well as regions below it. It's also dispersed among the Middle East (that's why you see white Syrians and Iranians) and the Western-most point of India.

The Egyptians were black, that is correct, but they were a much lighter tone of black than ever before, much like the Carthaginians. It's important to find the distinction between the genetic makeup of those certain subraces, because the lighter skinned Africans are almost always going to be more intelligent and more likely to create long lasting civilizations than the darker skinned Africans. That's why Sub Saharan Africa is so terribly bedridden and why the average IQ is relatively low.
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4/22/2016 9:34:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 4:36:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
You have to notice the dispersion of the Caucasoid. The Caucasoid is dispersed throughout the entirety of Europe, as well as the entirety of Northern Africa (the Saharan region) as well as regions below it. It's also dispersed among the Middle East (that's why you see white Syrians and Iranians) and the Western-most point of India.

The Egyptians were black, that is correct, but they were a much lighter tone of black than ever before, much like the Carthaginians. It's important to find the distinction between the genetic makeup of those certain subraces, because the lighter skinned Africans are almost always going to be more intelligent and more likely to create long lasting civilizations than the darker skinned Africans. That's why Sub Saharan Africa is so terribly bedridden and why the average IQ is relatively low.

I kinda had a shock reading this, it started out so factual and then disintegrated into racism.
Can you prove there is a link between skin color and IQ?
Even if Sub Saharan Africans have a lower IQ, to say that is the reason Africa mostly has instable societies is absurd.
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4/22/2016 11:10:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 9:34:01 PM, A1tre wrote:
At 4/21/2016 4:36:55 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
You have to notice the dispersion of the Caucasoid. The Caucasoid is dispersed throughout the entirety of Europe, as well as the entirety of Northern Africa (the Saharan region) as well as regions below it. It's also dispersed among the Middle East (that's why you see white Syrians and Iranians) and the Western-most point of India.

The Egyptians were black, that is correct, but they were a much lighter tone of black than ever before, much like the Carthaginians. It's important to find the distinction between the genetic makeup of those certain subraces, because the lighter skinned Africans are almost always going to be more intelligent and more likely to create long lasting civilizations than the darker skinned Africans. That's why Sub Saharan Africa is so terribly bedridden and why the average IQ is relatively low.

I kinda had a shock reading this, it started out so factual and then disintegrated into racism.

I wasn't being racist, I was being factual.

Can you prove there is a link between skin color and IQ?

Skin color and IQ? No, there is absolutely no link. You can easily change skin color through various actions. On the other hand, the skin color you are born with is representative (most of the time, unless you're albino or have some pigmentation disorder) of the race that you are, or the ethnic group. Different ethnicity and races have different average intelligence, and therefore are more or less likely to make long lasting civilizations.
Even if Sub Saharan Africans have a lower IQ, to say that is the reason Africa mostly has instable societies is absurd.

Then how come Africa amounted to absolutely nothing when the very Southern part of it was left untouched by any invaders, white or not, for hundreds and thousands of years?

In fact, the one part that accomplished the most is the one part that was invaded the most.
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4/23/2016 4:34:44 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 4:32:41 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Light black.

There isn't even a need for speculation; Egyptian paintings and figurines show us what their skin colour was.
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4/23/2016 4:40:00 AM
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Actually, we have a better idea of the skin colour of the Ancient Egyptians than that of Ancient Rome.
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4/28/2016 9:41:39 AM
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tan, like sand
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6/24/2016 3:28:01 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Black like the rest of Africa. Indisputable.

Herodotus says they were, "of black skin and wooly hair".

Gaston Mespero said, "By almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they belonged to an African race [Negro] which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea."

Constantine de Volney says, "When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their 'mulatto' appearance). In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold."

Aristotle writes in the 4th century B.C. in Physiognomonica that the "Egyptians and Ethiopians were very black."

I have much greater proof if you want. From religion, to linguistics, to migration, to art, to science, etc.

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6/24/2016 6:05:23 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
1) Given the absence of known population replacement, it should be assumed that ancient Egyptians were Arab in appearance, as they are now.

2) Ancient Egyptian paintings show people of Arab appearance (Caucasian features, etc.)

3) Egypt is, and has always been, in the middle-eastern orbit, not the black African orbit, therefor ancient Egyptians would have likely been closely related to middle-eastern people.

4) The black race has never shown itself to have the capacity to create something like the ancient Egyptian civilization.

5) The arguments that the ancient Egyptians were black are bullsht, such as irresponsible translations of cherry-picked ancient testimony.
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6/25/2016 11:01:02 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 3/11/2016 8:51:52 PM, Jovian wrote:
Anyone here who is into that delicate discussion? Were they white, black or looked like today's Egyptians do?

That depends. Egypt had a looong history. Originally they were a distinct subgroup. They eventually were invaded by waves of Kushites, Assyrians, Babylonians and Persians, then were ruled by the Ptolemaic (Greek) Dynasty after the conquest of Alexander, until Egypt fell to Rome. Cleopatra was more white, Kashta was much more black.

In general, arguments about the 'race' of Egyptians are silly because they were at such a crossroads, and so heavily influenced by these multiple conquests over thousands of years of history.
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6/27/2016 8:54:10 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
they would've looked like today's Egyptians. maybe some rulers would've been a bit lighter (due to some Greek/Macedonian ancestry).

though they weren't exactly black or white. the racial anthropologists of yore used "Hamitic" for a reason.
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6/28/2016 7:45:44 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
I can tell this website is frequented by people with racist ideas about people of color, I'm starting to see some stormfront type beliefs in this thread.