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5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.
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7/29/2016 2:57:30 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
The USSR
and contrary to contrary belief, the US too
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7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

USSR won the war on the German front, the U.S. won it on the Japanese front.
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7/29/2016 5:21:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

It was unlikely the allies could have won if one of the "big four" countries were excluded (China, USSR, UK, and the USA).

The USSR arguably did the most against Nazi Germany, and China fought the most against Japan individually.
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7/29/2016 5:25:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

USSR won the war on the German front, the U.S. won it on the Japanese front.

What do you define as "won"?

China did most of the work against Japan; the US simply ended what was left.
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7/29/2016 7:51:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 5:25:49 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

USSR won the war on the German front, the U.S. won it on the Japanese front.

What do you define as "won"?

I define it as winning. That's a stupid question. When you take a nations' capitol and force their leadership to capitulate, that's winning. The USSR did most of the work for the Nazi front.


China did most of the work against Japan; the US simply ended what was left.

China just held off Japan. The U.S. bombed their mainland and wrecked their navy.
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7/30/2016 12:00:13 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
China was in trouble without the U.S.A.

I guess nobody cares about Dday, Patton, etc. Was the U.S. even there?
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7/30/2016 2:39:43 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 7:51:43 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/29/2016 5:25:49 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

USSR won the war on the German front, the U.S. won it on the Japanese front.

What do you define as "won"?

I define it as winning. That's a stupid question. When you take a nations' capitol and force their leadership to capitulate, that's winning. The USSR did most of the work for the Nazi front.


China did most of the work against Japan; the US simply ended what was left.

China just held off Japan. The U.S. bombed their mainland and wrecked their navy.

True, but China did do most of the work, since they fought off most of the Japanese forces. The US would have had a much harder time if not so.
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7/30/2016 2:44:06 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/30/2016 2:39:43 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 7:51:43 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/29/2016 5:25:49 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

USSR won the war on the German front, the U.S. won it on the Japanese front.

What do you define as "won"?

I define it as winning. That's a stupid question. When you take a nations' capitol and force their leadership to capitulate, that's winning. The USSR did most of the work for the Nazi front.


China did most of the work against Japan; the US simply ended what was left.

China just held off Japan. The U.S. bombed their mainland and wrecked their navy.

True, but China did do most of the work, since they fought off most of the Japanese forces. The US would have had a much harder time if not so.

No, because the Japanese forces weren't fighting the Americans on land to such an extent. The Chinese actually were crushed by the Japanese until we took the burden off by joining the war. We were the ones that beat them into submission with constant bombings and beating them through our navy.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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7/30/2016 2:57:07 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/30/2016 2:44:06 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/30/2016 2:39:43 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 7:51:43 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/29/2016 5:25:49 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

USSR won the war on the German front, the U.S. won it on the Japanese front.

What do you define as "won"?

I define it as winning. That's a stupid question. When you take a nations' capitol and force their leadership to capitulate, that's winning. The USSR did most of the work for the Nazi front.


China did most of the work against Japan; the US simply ended what was left.

China just held off Japan. The U.S. bombed their mainland and wrecked their navy.

True, but China did do most of the work, since they fought off most of the Japanese forces. The US would have had a much harder time if not so.

No, because the Japanese forces weren't fighting the Americans on land to such an extent. The Chinese actually were crushed by the Japanese until we took the burden off by joining the war. We were the ones that beat them into submission with constant bombings and beating them through our navy.

The majority of on land fighting in China was still fought by the Chinese, the majority of important inland holdings were seized by China (Manchuria,Beijing et cetera). The US may have landed the killing blow, but that would not have been possible had it not been for Chinese resistance and Soviet assistance (no rhyme intended)
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7/30/2016 3:39:25 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/30/2016 2:57:07 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 7/30/2016 2:44:06 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/30/2016 2:39:43 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 7:51:43 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/29/2016 5:25:49 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

USSR won the war on the German front, the U.S. won it on the Japanese front.

What do you define as "won"?

I define it as winning. That's a stupid question. When you take a nations' capitol and force their leadership to capitulate, that's winning. The USSR did most of the work for the Nazi front.


China did most of the work against Japan; the US simply ended what was left.

China just held off Japan. The U.S. bombed their mainland and wrecked their navy.

True, but China did do most of the work, since they fought off most of the Japanese forces. The US would have had a much harder time if not so.

No, because the Japanese forces weren't fighting the Americans on land to such an extent. The Chinese actually were crushed by the Japanese until we took the burden off by joining the war. We were the ones that beat them into submission with constant bombings and beating them through our navy.

The majority of on land fighting in China was still fought by the Chinese, the majority of important inland holdings were seized by China (Manchuria,Beijing et cetera). The US may have landed the killing blow, but that would not have been possible had it not been for Chinese resistance and Soviet assistance (no rhyme intended)

Exactly my point. China weakened Japan which allowed for the US to end the empire.
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7/30/2016 4:05:59 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Lets get this straight the Germans and Japanese were advancing until the U.S. entered the war. America enters, the war swings. What a coincidence.
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7/30/2016 12:03:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/30/2016 3:39:25 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/30/2016 2:57:07 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 7/30/2016 2:44:06 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/30/2016 2:39:43 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 7:51:43 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/29/2016 5:25:49 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/29/2016 4:36:48 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
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11/27/2016 9:23:57 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 7/30/2016 4:05:59 AM, KendoRe2 wrote:
Lets get this straight the Germans and Japanese were advancing until the U.S. entered the war. America enters, the war swings. What a coincidence.

Not really, after Stalingrad the Russians had the Germans on their Heels, then The Americans entered the war.
They were however responsible for defeating Japan.
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11/27/2016 9:27:38 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

Russia took down Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, etc.
America took down Italy and Japan.
I guess you could also make a argument for Britain helping take Japan, however not much of one.
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11/27/2016 9:28:27 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 11/27/2016 9:27:38 PM, fishhunter61 wrote:
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

Russia took down Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, etc.
America took down Italy and Japan.
I guess you could also make a argument for Britain helping take Japan, however not much of one.

Also China somewhat helped against Japan. I forgot about them.
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11/28/2016 2:25:42 AM
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"Germans and Japanese were advancing until the U.S. entered the war. America enters, the war swings."

America entered the war in December of 1941.
Germany and Japan were advancing for a few months after that. Japan got turned around when 4 of their aircraft carriers were sunk by the USN in the battle of Midway. In Europe the war got turned around when the Russians beat the Germans in the battle of Stalingrad.
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12/3/2016 6:24:53 PM
Posted: 6 days ago
USSR single-handedly took down the nazis. Anything else is revisionist propaganda.

Also stalin did nothing wrong.
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12/3/2016 7:04:00 PM
Posted: 6 days ago
At 11/27/2016 9:27:38 PM, fishhunter61 wrote:
I guess you could also make a argument for Britain helping take Japan, however not much of one.

I think it is likely that there wouldn't have been much of a ww2 if Britain had sued for peace after the continent of Europe had fallen to the Nazis and the British Army had been been forced off the French coast without their weapons at Dunkirk. Germany could then have fought a one-front war with Russia, and if a war between the US and Japan had broken out it US involvement would have been restricted to the Far East.

In terms of totals, of course the contribution of the US was enormous. But an individual inside the US suffered very little of the hardships of war, much less than a Londoner, who in turn suffered much, much, much less that a Leningradian. On a per-capita basis it is hard to know who contributed more - or suffered more hardship - to win the war and it is invidious to make comparisons.
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12/3/2016 9:06:01 PM
Posted: 6 days ago
At 12/3/2016 6:24:53 PM, n7 wrote:
USSR single-handedly took down the nazis. Anything else is revisionist propaganda.

Also stalin did nothing wrong.



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12/3/2016 11:03:30 PM
Posted: 6 days ago
At 12/3/2016 7:04:00 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/27/2016 9:27:38 PM, fishhunter61 wrote:
I guess you could also make a argument for Britain helping take Japan, however not much of one.

I think it is likely that there wouldn't have been much of a ww2 if Britain had sued for peace after the continent of Europe had fallen to the Nazis and the British Army had been been forced off the French coast without their weapons at Dunkirk. Germany could then have fought a one-front war with Russia, and if a war between the US and Japan had broken out it US involvement would have been restricted to the Far East.

In terms of totals, of course the contribution of the US was enormous. But an individual inside the US suffered very little of the hardships of war, much less than a Londoner, who in turn suffered much, much, much less that a Leningradian. On a per-capita basis it is hard to know who contributed more - or suffered more hardship - to win the war and it is invidious to make comparisons.
I'm just saying the U.S. was mostly responsible of taking down Japan, While the U.S.S.R. mostly took down Germany.
The U.S. was only got involved in Europe, after the battle of Stalingrad, which was when the U.S.S.R. chased the Germans back to their own country.
We can determine who contributed more on each front.
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12/4/2016 3:30:22 AM
Posted: 6 days ago
At 12/3/2016 11:03:30 PM, fishhunter61 wrote:
At 12/3/2016 7:04:00 PM, keithprosser wrote:
At 11/27/2016 9:27:38 PM, fishhunter61 wrote:
I guess you could also make a argument for Britain helping take Japan, however not much of one.

I think it is likely that there wouldn't have been much of a ww2 if Britain had sued for peace after the continent of Europe had fallen to the Nazis and the British Army had been been forced off the French coast without their weapons at Dunkirk. Germany could then have fought a one-front war with Russia, and if a war between the US and Japan had broken out it US involvement would have been restricted to the Far East.

In terms of totals, of course the contribution of the US was enormous. But an individual inside the US suffered very little of the hardships of war, much less than a Londoner, who in turn suffered much, much, much less that a Leningradian. On a per-capita basis it is hard to know who contributed more - or suffered more hardship - to win the war and it is invidious to make comparisons.
I'm just saying the U.S. was mostly responsible of taking down Japan, While the U.S.S.R. mostly took down Germany.
The U.S. was only got involved in Europe, after the battle of Stalingrad, which was when the U.S.S.R. chased the Germans back to their own country.
We can determine who contributed more on each front.

You can do it for the whole war - once you've decided what to measure as 'contribution'. Different measures will give answers. Total money spent, total lives lost, money spent as a fraction of GDP, lives lost as a fraction of population... the list can go on and on. I think we can say that France probably wouldn't come out high on any basis, but you can even make a case for Israel, because it contributed so many of the scientists that built the atom bomb!
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12/4/2016 11:57:56 PM
Posted: 5 days ago
At 5/26/2016 7:47:55 PM, Crimea-2014 wrote:
To rephrase this question, which nation contributed the most to the defeat of the Axis Powers in WWII?

Axis Powers were primarily Germany and Japan but also consisted of smaller nations such as Italy, Romania, Hungary, etc.

Canada had only 11,000,000 people. We had over 1,000,000 in uniform. At the end of the war the navy had over 300 warships and was responsible for protecting the supply line across the Atlantic. The air force was the 4th largest in the world after the war. It lost 17,000 airmen. During the war, Canada trained thousands of allied airmen to fly fighter craft and bombers. It also trained most of the allied spies at Camp X outside of Toronto. The Canadian army was considered as good as it gets as a fighting force. Canada probably contributed more per capita than any allied country. This was a remarkable feat for a small nation.
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12/5/2016 12:01:51 AM
Posted: 5 days ago
At 7/30/2016 12:00:13 AM, KendoRe2 wrote:
China was in trouble without the U.S.A.

I guess nobody cares about Dday, Patton, etc. Was the U.S. even there?

You should be more respectful. Had American and other Allied fighters not defeated Hitler, at the loss of many, many lives, you might not have a site like this to debate others . Learn something about history and you might learn why you have freedom.
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12/5/2016 2:25:40 PM
Posted: 4 days ago
America clearly won WW2,... and without USA supplies... the USSR would have been horribly defeated by Germany. USA through the lend lease project,.. gave Russia tons and tons of supplies including TRUCKS, FUEL, BOOTS, CLOTHING and FOOD, GUNS and AMMO!

Without the American trucks... the Soviet Union could not have hauled around all their artillery and missiles!!! Russian general Zukov even commented on this! The American trucks were instrumental in the defeat of Germany!

Nobody could have survived that war without the help of USA... that is fact! Without USA.... France and UK and Soviet Union would all be speaking German

Also,.. USA was ONLY nation fighting the war in TWO major battlefield theaters. Where was the Soviet Union helping in the Pacific???? lol We won that totally on our own!!!

Sure,.USA came to Europe in June 1944...something like FIVE yrs after it started,...however...many years earlier...USA was shipping TONS N TONS N TONS of supplies and material to Europe!!!

USA saved everyone and the entire world needs to get down on their knees and thank America 24/7! But,.. we will be ok if you just acknowledge for one second that USA is and has been your sugar daddy!