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PiperPhoenix
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10/11/2011 6:01:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Okay so I know it's been a while since I've been on. So hi everybody. Anyway I can't for the life of me find the evidence I need for my topic and I was wondering what sites you guys might go to. To see if it could put me on the right track. I've debated twice already and been unanimously voted against in P.F. so I need to re write my case (again) and I need stronger evidence. I really don't want to let my partner down again but none of my searches are coming up with anything we can use.
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10/11/2011 6:04:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Would I be correct in assuming your topic is regarding private sector investment v.s. public sector investment in human space exploration?
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PiperPhoenix
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10/11/2011 6:06:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/11/2011 6:04:18 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
Would I be correct in assuming your topic is regarding private sector investment v.s. public sector investment in human space exploration?

Actually we are still doing

Resolved: The benefits of Post 9/11 Security Measures outweighs the harms to personal freedoms.
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RoyLatham
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10/11/2011 6:20:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Argue airport security measures and cite the 9/11 incident itself. Cite polls showing that mo people think it's worthwhile -- on an issue of privacy v security public sentiment is legitimate. It's not a question of fact, it's a question of opinion.
quarterexchange
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10/11/2011 6:20:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Pro:

(Shows effectiveness of Patriot Act)

http://www.heritage.org...
http://archive.newsmax.com...
http://www.opposingviews.com...

(Shows improvement and effectiveness of Airport Security and that it isn't a severe violation)

http://www.todaysengineer.org...
http://www.heritage.org...

Also it should be very easy to find evidence regarding the fact that before 9/11, the TSA didn't exist and that baggage wasn't checked nearly as well as it is now.

Also hammer the point home that airport security isn't a violation of personal freedom. In Cross-X ask your opponent if airport security is a violation of personal freedom. When they say "yes" hammer the point that in order for there to be a violation it has to be taken away, and that since people who willingly go through security voluntarily choose to give up the right to not be searched and inspected, there is no violation.

Also for Pro, what I did was change the definition of "security measures" to mean "measures in place to protect U.S. citizens and property, specifically airport security". That was sort of a cheap blow but it was much easier for us.

I'll post Neg later if I can.
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PiperPhoenix
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10/11/2011 6:41:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It's actually the Con I'm having the issue with. So that would be great but all help is extremely amazing! Thank you guys so much!
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10/11/2011 9:12:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/11/2011 8:58:54 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
ITZ INVADIN OUR PRIVACEEEEZ

2.4kposts.

Stop posting for the sake of having a high post count. It be much more of an achievement if it wasn't all spam.
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quarterexchange
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10/11/2011 9:24:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Con:

Also for the definition of "security measures", include the U.S. war in Afghanistan and Gitmo. I had a source that from the Deputy Secretary claiming that U.S. involvement in the Middle East sparked Bin Laden to attack in the first place and I'm sure you can find a lot of violations of personal freedom if you look up Gitmo

(Shows Airport Security to be ineffective)

http://www.suntimes.com...
http://travel.usatoday.com...
http://travel.usatoday.com...

(Shows that security before 9/11 wasn't any less effective)

http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.tailstrike.com...

(Shows that some U.S. security measures have adverse effect.)

http://www.defense.gov...

(Shows Patriot Act violates personal freedom)

http://www.aclu.org...
http://www.cbsnews.com...

Also for a last stand, you could attempt to make the case that 9/11 was an inside job and bring up all the physical evidence that truthers bring up to show that it was indeed an inside job. Of course any engineer/pilot/architect/etc worth his salt would say that it was in fact committed by terrorists flying planes into the buildings, but your opponents won't have any such evidence to contradict yours and when you succesfully make the case that 9/11 was done by the U.S. govt and not terrorists you claim there is no need to have security measures at all.

Remember debate is about trying to win, not actually being right or honest.
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PiperPhoenix
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10/11/2011 10:12:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Thanks! That's a major break in helping our case! But Mrs.George cares most that we are Honest and factual.
Demons run when a good man goes to war;
Night will fall and drown the sun
When a good man goes to war.
Friendship dies and true love lies,
Night will fall and the dark will rise,
When a good man goes to war,
Demons run, but count the cost,
The battle's won, but the child is lost,
When a good man goes to war.