Total Posts:31|Showing Posts:1-30|Last Page
Jump to topic:

skinny vs. fat

truthseeker613
Posts: 464
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Posts: 18,324
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 12:16:26 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?

100 years ago, people needed food to survive. Having food was considered a sign of good health. Now we have an abundance of food. That is a crude explanation but I'm too lazy to do research right now.
truthseeker613
Posts: 464
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 12:20:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 12:16:26 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?

100 years ago, people needed food to survive. Having food was considered a sign of good health. Now we have an abundance of food. That is a crude explanation but I'm too lazy to do research right now.

I was thinking the same thing.(all 3 of those.)
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
CosmicAlfonzo
Posts: 5,955
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 12:35:59 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I like them both.
Official "High Priest of Secular Affairs and Transient Distributor of Sonic Apple Seeds relating to the Reptilian Division of Paperwork Immoliation" of The FREEDO Bureaucracy, a DDO branch of the Erisian Front, a subdivision of the Discordian Back, a Limb of the Illuminatian Cosmic Utensil Corp
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:23:51 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?
Good question! During the Renaissance, women would not only be considered attractive if they had some extra flesh, but also if they were very white! They would use powder to make their bodies more bright. Now it is the exact opposite.

I think it is social development over time. Something gets popular locally, then it gets famous somewhere else, and with television and globalization, any popular little thing became a very famous and popular giant thing. Being thin and tanned happens to be the current giant thing for women now.
nonentity
Posts: 5,008
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:33:35 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:23:51 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?
Good question! During the Renaissance, women would not only be considered attractive if they had some extra flesh, but also if they were very white! They would use powder to make their bodies more bright. Now it is the exact opposite.

I think it is social development over time. Something gets popular locally, then it gets famous somewhere else, and with television and globalization, any popular little thing became a very famous and popular giant thing. Being thin and tanned happens to be the current giant thing for women now.

It's about showing that you have money. Back in the day if you were fat it meant you could afford to eat well. If you were very pale it meant that you didn't have to work labouriously outdoors. Now if you're thin it means you can afford to go to the gym and eat healthier foods. In most places (at least in North America) 'cheaper' food is also unhealthy and poor eating habits lead to obesity. Obesity is often associated with lower income levels. Additionally if you're tan it means you can afford to go on vacation.

However, I do think people have individual preferences as well as different ideas of what is "skinny" and what is "fat".
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:33:35 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:23:51 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?
Good question! During the Renaissance, women would not only be considered attractive if they had some extra flesh, but also if they were very white! They would use powder to make their bodies more bright. Now it is the exact opposite.

I think it is social development over time. Something gets popular locally, then it gets famous somewhere else, and with television and globalization, any popular little thing became a very famous and popular giant thing. Being thin and tanned happens to be the current giant thing for women now.

It's about showing that you have money. Back in the day if you were fat it meant you could afford to eat well. If you were very pale it meant that you didn't have to work labouriously outdoors. Now if you're thin it means you can afford to go to the gym and eat healthier foods. In most places (at least in North America) 'cheaper' food is also unhealthy and poor eating habits lead to obesity. Obesity is often associated with lower income levels. Additionally if you're tan it means you can afford to go on vacation.

However, I do think people have individual preferences as well as different ideas of what is "skinny" and what is "fat".
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.
nonentity
Posts: 5,008
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:43:02 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Sexually?

Geeks are also successful. That doesn't make females attracted to them sexually.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Posts: 18,324
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:46:13 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:43:02 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Sexually?

Geeks are also successful. That doesn't make females attracted to them sexually.

I don't think people were sexually attracted to fatties 100s of years ago. They wanted the power and prestige that came with marrying fatties. This desire for fatties made them in demand. Being in demand is considered attractive.
nonentity
Posts: 5,008
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:49:00 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:43:02 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Sexually?

Geeks are also successful. That doesn't make females attracted to them sexually.

It does for me :p

There are other factors in attractiveness of course. For men and women it would be different, but women generally find assertiveness in a man attractive and geeks are stereotypically unassertive.

Though I do get what you are saying, being fat has a lot of negative connotations with it. It's generally associated with being lazy or sloppy. And that comes from the fact that most people have to work to be thin, but you don't have to 'work' to be fat.
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:56:29 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:46:13 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:43:02 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Sexually?

Geeks are also successful. That doesn't make females attracted to them sexually.

I don't think people were sexually attracted to fatties 100s of years ago. They wanted the power and prestige that came with marrying fatties. This desire for fatties made them in demand. Being in demand is considered attractive.
They were considered sexually attractive. That's what the OP means too. The question is why - and if we correlate worldly success to beauty then I think that there is another reasonable theory.
BlackVoid
Posts: 9,170
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 1:58:32 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:57:07 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:49:00 AM, nonentity wrote:
you don't have to 'work' to be fat.
Well, if you have high metabolism...

Quoted for truth.
nonentity
Posts: 5,008
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 2:04:32 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:57:07 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:49:00 AM, nonentity wrote:
you don't have to 'work' to be fat.
Well, if you have high metabolism...

But who that is fat has worked to become fat? (Excluding actors)
nonentity
Posts: 5,008
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 2:05:34 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 2:04:32 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:57:07 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:49:00 AM, nonentity wrote:
you don't have to 'work' to be fat.
Well, if you have high metabolism...

But who that is fat has worked to become fat? (Excluding actors)

Most people are not fat because they wanted to be, or worked to be.
smartyskirt
Posts: 44
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 2:08:30 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:43:02 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Sexually?

Geeks are also successful. That doesn't make females attracted to them sexually.

I agree with mirza on this point.
smartyskirt
Posts: 44
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 2:11:26 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:23:51 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?
Good question! During the Renaissance, women would not only be considered attractive if they had some extra flesh, but also if they were very white! They would use powder to make their bodies more bright. Now it is the exact opposite.

I think it is social development over time. Something gets popular locally, then it gets famous somewhere else, and with television and globalization, any popular little thing became a very famous and popular giant thing. Being thin and tanned happens to be the current giant thing for women now.

I find this hard to accept. For according to this, it is within ones control, and decision powers, as to what is attractive.
nonentity
Posts: 5,008
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 2:15:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 2:08:30 AM, smartyskirt wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:43:02 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Sexually?

Geeks are also successful. That doesn't make females attracted to them sexually.

I agree with mirza on this point.

That success is attractive does not mean it is the only determinant of attraction. For example, in some cultures it may be unattractive for a woman to be successful of her own merit. However, that doesn't mean in that same culture a woman who already comes from a wealthy family wouldn't be found attractive. Wealth does not equal success, and neither is a sole factor in determining attractiveness.
marcuscato
Posts: 738
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 2:16:16 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Its attractive to be anything that requires money.
Its attractive for dark people to be fair and fair people to be dusky. You will see skin whitening creams in cultures where people are darkish and tanning places where people are pale.
I think a middle-path is best, indian or mexicans have the best skin colour.

Its a lot easier for a smart guy to get married but may be harder for him to get laid.
tvellalott
Posts: 10,864
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 2:52:06 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Meh, skinny and tanned is so mainstream.
"Caitlyn Jenner is an incredibly brave and stunningly beautiful woman."

Muh threads
Using mafia tactics in real-life: http://www.debate.org...
6 years of DDO: http://www.debate.org...
Cerebral_Narcissist
Posts: 10,806
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
10/31/2011 5:06:51 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 1:43:02 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:38:58 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 10/31/2011 1:36:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
Actually, you're mistaking "successful" with "attractive." I agree that being fleshy in old times also meant being wealthy, but why did it mean "being attractive"? Cultural norms and norms of those times.

Success is attractive.
Sexually?

Geeks are also successful. That doesn't make females attracted to them sexually.

Yes it does.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
Avengers777
Posts: 14
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/16/2011 11:11:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I would choose skinny. I don't like fat people because they need to lose weight and they need to take care of there diet a lot better. I would choose girls that are skinny and they are really attractive too.
phantom
Posts: 6,774
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/16/2011 12:04:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?

Slight correction. Many people in Africa still find large woman attractive.

BIG MAMAS ftw!
"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)
000ike
Posts: 11,196
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/16/2011 6:13:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 12:16:26 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 10/31/2011 12:13:52 AM, truthseeker613 wrote:
Why is it that today skinny women are considered more attractive when 100's of years ago it was the opposite?

100 years ago, people needed food to survive. Having food was considered a sign of good health. Now we have an abundance of food. That is a crude explanation but I'm too lazy to do research right now.

you're right, but the timing is off. 100 years ago, skinny was still beautiful. You're talking 500 years ago and beyond.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
Lasagna
Posts: 2,440
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
11/16/2011 8:51:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
What are you talking about? I've seen plenty of movies set in ancient times and it was just like it is now... And they all spoke english too FYI
Rob
bossyburrito
Posts: 14,075
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
6/11/2012 4:04:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
PETA wasn't around.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush