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10/22/2008 8:48:15 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I can't think of a more ignorant bunch of people than those the democrats and the media are constantly pandering to. Yes, I'm talking about the 18-to-26-year-old demographic who will vote whichever way their favorite music video network, celebrity, or fellow clubbers urge them. "Get them while they're young and dumb" should be the mantra of the Democrats and the liberal media. The relative wisdom (or lack there of) of those who flock to embrace a particular political point of view can say a lot about that point of view.
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10/22/2008 9:09:27 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I agree 100%. As a libertarian I see striking resemblances between leftist liberals and the religious right. Both groups vote selfishly in favor of injustices they want to impose on their fellow citizens. No religious fanatic should have the right to tell me how to live my personal life, and no liberal should have the right to confiscate half of my property and give it away to those who have not earned it. Neither group shows any respect whatsoever for individual liberty. The only difference is that the left have the media on their side to promote the ignorance.
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10/22/2008 9:52:42 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
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10/22/2008 9:53:20 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
My bad.
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10/22/2008 10:11:06 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
"Both groups vote selfishly in favor of injustices they want to impose on their fellow citizens."

Please don't smear the good name of selfishness by associating it with those who are willing to sacrifice their own freedom just to destroy that of others :D
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10/22/2008 11:58:52 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Selfish is fine as long as one is not imposing on others. But voting to confiscate excessive amounts of money and freedom from our fellow citizens is wrong.
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10/22/2008 12:07:59 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 10:06:54 AM, JBlake wrote:
Mr. Hands, remember there are uninformed voters from all sides.

I don't argue that there aren't misinformed voters from each side. I was simply concurring with Handsoff that the majority of misinformed voters on the left side are college students. On the McCain side I'd have to say that the majority would be in the 35 - 50 range.

I was talking with some Obama supporters yesterday at my campus. They both agreed that Sarah Palin was the best choice as Obama's Vice presidential secretary. They also said that they thought Hillary Clinton was going to make a good secretary of state.
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10/22/2008 1:06:18 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Unfortunately, even the informed in each party are not bound to do not do the right thing. The two groups overstepping their bourdaries and giving their parties a bad name are the socially conservative republicans and the fiscally liberal democrats. The difference is this: The religious are a minority in the republican party, while the fiscally liberal are the majority in the democratic party. To see the democrats reaching out to the young and naive, in an attempt to add even more ignorant voters to their party, is tough to watch.
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10/22/2008 4:42:27 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
"Get them while they're young and dumb" should be the mantra of the Democrats and the liberal media.

You are despicable.
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Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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10/22/2008 5:08:39 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Nice clips-- even a little scary. Those clips were so interesting because I haven't heard anything like them recently. The fact that you had to hunt them down on Youtube supports my conclusion that the religious wackos are still a fringe minority in the republican party, with little or no national air time. On the other hand, all I have to do to hear equally dispicable liberal propaganda is turn on the TV to any news cast, music video channel or celebrity award show.
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10/22/2008 7:17:30 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 5:08:39 PM, HandsOff wrote:
Nice clips-- even a little scary. Those clips were so interesting because I haven't heard anything like them recently. The fact that you had to hunt them down on Youtube supports my conclusion that the religious wackos are still a fringe minority in the republican party, with little or no national air time. On the other hand, all I have to do to hear equally dispicable liberal propaganda is turn on the TV to any news cast, music video channel or celebrity award show.

There is no liberal mass media.

Oh yeah, I love how you portrayed me as having to
hunt them down
when you have absolutely no knowledge on how fast I pulled them out of
hmm let's see
MY BOOKMARKS FOLDER LABELLED "JESUS CAMP"?

You're f*cking pathetic.
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Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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10/22/2008 7:31:00 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 5:08:39 PM, HandsOff wrote:
Nice clips-- even a little scary. Those clips were so interesting because I haven't heard anything like them recently. The fact that you had to hunt them down on Youtube supports my conclusion that the religious wackos are still a fringe minority in the republican party, with little or no national air time. On the other hand, all I have to do to hear equally dispicable liberal propaganda is turn on the TV to any news cast, music video channel or celebrity award show.

To employ a little more tact than our young friend Rezz, those clips aren't all that obscure. That documentary (Jesus Camp) has been out for awhile and, to my knowledge, has been widely viewed.

I would also respectfully disagree with your observation that the uninformed is a fringe minority compared to a widespread liberal version. I am also skeptical of an existence of this 'liberal media' that has been attacked repeatedly over the past few months.
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10/22/2008 7:51:53 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Harlan --

I have a confession- Cirro is just one of my accounts. This was my original, and then I made that one for sheer fun. I have others, but Harlan and Cirro are the main ones I use. I guess the cat's out of the bag.
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10/22/2008 7:56:20 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 7:51:53 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
Harlan --

I have a confession- Cirro is just one of my accounts. This was my original, and then I made that one for sheer fun. I have others, but Harlan and Cirro are the main ones I use. I guess the cat's out of the bag.

Wait- you didn't take that seriously, did you?
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10/22/2008 7:57:32 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
?

Considering this has been constantly happening I assumed you were serious?
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10/22/2008 8:03:10 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 7:57:32 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
?

Considering this has been constantly happening I assumed you were serious?

Ok, I don't want this to get out of hand. It was a joke (could I have possibly used debate.org enough to have 2 major accounts?).

I thought the idea would seem so ridicillous that no one would honestly believe it, or at least inquire of it at first. I guess it was a bad idea. Sorry.
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10/22/2008 8:04:55 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I mean, I thought it might confuse people with the possibility of it, but not actually convince anyone. Bad judgement on my part.
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10/22/2008 8:05:34 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
No I apologize for taking it seriously. Just with the recent activites that have been happening on this site, it really could have been a possibility. I'm sorry I overreacted.
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10/22/2008 8:15:57 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Liberal Mass Media>>>>>Conservative Religious Persuasion

I am glad that Republican's receive the religion vote just to counter the youth/minority/female vote democrats receive.

I am 15, and I would definitely say assuredly that 85% of my peers are Obama advocates. The 15% that do not advocate him also happen to be the top 15% of my class.

I saw this article and began to laugh, because right after south park ended, I saw 40 seconds of Chocolate News, and it was 40 seconds of a black man telling his viewers to vote for Obama because he is black, and for white people to vote for him because he is white.

Nearly every widely viewed media source is liberally biased. I thought for a long time that the Colbert Report was to be a counter-show, so to speak, for the Daily Show's incredibly disgusting slander towards Republicans. To my own dismay, the Colbert Report decided to sarcastically side with Bush, and just attack him through self deprecation.

I believe that the only purpose the Democratic part serves is that it consolidates all the idiots of America, those of us who should not have the right to vote, so that (ideally) we can remove every last one of them.

There is a reason that successful people vote Republican.

Republicans cater to success.
Democrats cater to people that want to leech off the Republican's success.
If I didn't answer what you said, try bolding the important part.
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10/22/2008 8:28:08 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 8:15:57 PM, funnybrad333 wrote:
Liberal Mass Media>>>>>Conservative Religious Persuasion

I am glad that Republican's receive the religion vote just to counter the youth/minority/female vote democrats receive.

I am 15, and I would definitely say assuredly that 85% of my peers are Obama advocates. The 15% that do not advocate him also happen to be the top 15% of my class.

I saw this article and began to laugh, because right after south park ended, I saw 40 seconds of Chocolate News, and it was 40 seconds of a black man telling his viewers to vote for Obama because he is black, and for white people to vote for him because he is white.

Nearly every widely viewed media source is liberally biased. I thought for a long time that the Colbert Report was to be a counter-show, so to speak, for the Daily Show's incredibly disgusting slander towards Republicans. To my own dismay, the Colbert Report decided to sarcastically side with Bush, and just attack him through self deprecation.

I believe that the only purpose the Democratic part serves is that it consolidates all the idiots of America, those of us who should not have the right to vote, so that (ideally) we can remove every last one of them.

There is a reason that successful people vote Republican.

Republicans cater to success.
Democrats cater to people that want to leech off the Republican's success.

Those are some very narrow views you have there, Brad. I assure you that plenty of 'successful' people vote Democrat, and that all democrats do not want to 'leech off the Republican's success'. Such generalizations are counter-productive and only serve to widen the gap between the two ideologies.
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10/22/2008 8:32:08 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Democrats oppose free market and capitalism for the sole reason that they are not favorable to the unfit and weak, people I refer to lazy leeches.

Of course if I was unsuccessful I would definitely vote for Obama, but the fact that being unsuccessful is encouraged by these socialist democratic ideals makes me sick.

Tell me how any of my statements are exaggerations.
I would greatly enjoy being corrected.
If I didn't answer what you said, try bolding the important part.
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10/22/2008 9:08:26 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Rezz,

"There is no liberal mass media."

I have no cause to imagine media bias that does not exist, just as I have no cause to imagine a certain percentage of the rebublicans are religious zealots. Both parties annoy the hell out of me. It would take a narrow-minded liberal to deny a pro-democrat bias in the media, just as it would take a narrow-minded republican to deny the religious right have too much influence in the republican party. When I look at FOX news I will not deny that I see the right-wing equivalent of the mainstream media's promotion of the liberal agenda. Same with talk radio.

How this became a debate about media bias I do not know. I was just saying there are more liberty-theiving socialists in the democratic party than there are liberty-thieving religious nuts in the republican party. No Jesus Camp video clip changes that.
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10/22/2008 9:18:14 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
You want liberty and freedom, you ain't getting it.
Not as long as society is in place.
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Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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10/22/2008 9:21:23 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
"You want liberty and freedom, you ain't getting it.
Not as long as society is in place."

That depends on whether it changes it's mind when productive people realize the extent to which that society is enslaving them, and go on strike over it :D

Or whether they produce better military capabilities for dealing with majorities.
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10/23/2008 3:06:53 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
What has happened is the Democrats used to be economically liberal, and the Republicans, economically conservative. But after the Democrats embraced the Civil Rights movement, socially conservative individuals began to move to the Republican. What ended up happening is that the Democrats have now become "Progressives" filled with former hippies and intectuals, while the Republicans have become "Religious Nut-Jobs" filled with rednecks, religious zealots, and closet-homosexual child-molesting pastors. This explains Democratic support of Roe v. Wade and gay marriage (to a degree) and Republican support of things like the border fence and school prayer, even thought these new social positions are in conflict with Republicanism.
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10/23/2008 7:17:21 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 8:32:08 PM, funnybrad333 wrote:
Democrats oppose free market and capitalism for the sole reason that they are not favorable to the unfit and weak, people I refer to lazy leeches.

Of course if I was unsuccessful I would definitely vote for Obama, but the fact that being unsuccessful is encouraged by these socialist democratic ideals makes me sick.

Tell me how any of my statements are exaggerations.
I would greatly enjoy being corrected.

All of the following are exaggerations.

I believe that the only purpose the Democratic part serves is that it consolidates
all the idiots of America, those of us who should not have the right to vote, so that
(ideally) we can remove every last one of them.

There is a reason that successful people vote Republican.

Republicans cater to success.
Democrats cater to people that want to leech off the Republican's success.

Clearly there are idiots on both sides, just like there are successfull, intelligent people on both sides. Plus you call yourself successful, but you have yet to enter the real world. You are still sheltered in high school. Come back when you have some real world experience, I doubt you will have the same views.
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10/23/2008 7:42:21 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/22/2008 8:32:08 PM, funnybrad333 wrote:
Of course if I was unsuccessful I would definitely vote for Obama, but the fact that being unsuccessful is encouraged by these socialist democratic ideals makes me sick.

Democrats: P***ies
Republicans: D***s.

All puns intended.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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10/23/2008 9:05:54 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/23/2008 3:06:53 AM, LR4N6FTW4EVA wrote:
What has happened is the Democrats used to be economically liberal, and the Republicans, economically conservative. But after the Democrats embraced the Civil Rights movement, socially conservative individuals began to move to the Republican. What ended up happening is that the Democrats have now become "Progressives" filled with former hippies and intectuals, while the Republicans have become "Religious Nut-Jobs" filled with rednecks, religious zealots, and closet-homosexual child-molesting pastors. This explains Democratic support of Roe v. Wade and gay marriage (to a degree) and Republican support of things like the border fence and school prayer, even thought these new social positions are in conflict with Republicanism.

This represents a brilliant analysis of the political make-up of contemporary America...personally I'd rather be accused of being an intellectual, or even a former hippy, than a closet-homosexual or a child-molesting religious nutjob!

No wonder people tell the pollsters they intend to vote Democrat!
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