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Why is the drinking age 21?

Xer
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7/1/2009 4:25:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
---It is 18 practically everywhere else.
---You can shoot people thousands of miles away at 18, but you can't drink..?
---People under 21 drink all the time anyway.
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7/1/2009 4:42:36 PM
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I don't know much about this subject, but I would imagine that the drinking age in the US is based on health factors mostly.
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7/1/2009 4:53:49 PM
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I haven't done particular research over it, but, as I recall, there's some kind of political issue involved; I think there's a law that talks about how, if the drinking age changes from 21, states lose funding for highways or something like that; there's definitely a lot of red tape involved there.
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7/1/2009 5:01:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 7/1/2009 4:43:55 PM, Volkov wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Puritan moral pillars probably aren't the greatest.

I have to second that. The pervading view is that alcohol abuse destroys families (and consequently, "family values").
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7/1/2009 6:16:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
There are many good reasons for this law.

I think you guys are just mad because you're all still under the legal drinking age. ;)
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7/1/2009 6:22:55 PM
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At 7/1/2009 6:16:41 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
There are many good reasons for this law.

I think you guys are just mad because you're all still under the legal drinking age. ;)

Not where I live. I don't mind the law in the US either - more Americans can come here to spend their money and get drunk, because the age limit is 19. In Quebec, it is only 18.

Don't change the law - we need the money more than you do.
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7/3/2009 1:38:11 PM
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I laugh at every American who has the misbelief that Europe's drinking ages are like 16.

Yes, Germany, Italy, etc. are lenient about their drinking laws. But at 16, it's only the light stuff.

In Ireland (The supposed nation of Drinkers and Debauchees), it's 18, with no legal age on private property. So, my Dad could be giving me Guinness topped with Baileys without any law enforcement response.

Besides, the teaching that alcohol like wine is acceptable at small doses with a meal at an early age is better than preventing people from drinking as long as possible. Works for Europe. Mainland Europe.
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7/3/2009 6:22:38 PM
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At 7/3/2009 1:38:11 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I laugh at every American who has the misbelief that Europe's drinking ages are like 16.

Yes, Germany, Italy, etc. are lenient about their drinking laws. But at 16, it's only the light stuff.

In Ireland (The supposed nation of Drinkers and Debauchees), it's 18, with no legal age on private property.
Woohoo, you can go in a bar?

That's private property ^_^
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7/3/2009 6:27:23 PM
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At 7/1/2009 6:16:41 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
There are many good reasons for this law.

*Waits patiently for these "many good reasons"

I don't consider there to be any. People should be able to drink at the age of responsibility.
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7/3/2009 6:31:03 PM
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At 7/1/2009 5:01:50 PM, Brock_Meyer wrote:
At 7/1/2009 4:43:55 PM, Volkov wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Puritan moral pillars probably aren't the greatest.

I have to second that. The pervading view is that alcohol abuse destroys families (and consequently, "family values").

According to Bill Bryson's book 'Made in America', the Puritans were actually quite heavy drinkers. They also had very liberal attitudes to casual sex - the only caveat being that if a man got a girl pregnant he had to marry her. As a consequence, most brides were up the duff when they stood before the altar.
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7/4/2009 5:18:32 AM
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At 7/3/2009 6:22:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/3/2009 1:38:11 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I laugh at every American who has the misbelief that Europe's drinking ages are like 16.

Yes, Germany, Italy, etc. are lenient about their drinking laws. But at 16, it's only the light stuff.

In Ireland (The supposed nation of Drinkers and Debauchees), it's 18, with no legal age on private property.
Woohoo, you can go in a bar?

That's private property ^_^

Clarification: Bar = Pub

Pub = Slang for Public House, an industrial age term for a public place to drink

A private establishment must have a licence to sell alcohol. Then, they must serve the legal age.
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7/4/2009 8:28:27 AM
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At 7/3/2009 1:38:11 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I laugh at every American who has the misbelief that Europe's drinking ages are like 16.

Yes, Germany, Italy, etc. are lenient about their drinking laws. But at 16, it's only the light stuff.

In Ireland (The supposed nation of Drinkers and Debauchees), it's 18, with no legal age on private property. So, my Dad could be giving me Guinness topped with Baileys without any law enforcement response.

Besides, the teaching that alcohol like wine is acceptable at small doses with a meal at an early age is better than preventing people from drinking as long as possible. Works for Europe. Mainland Europe.

In that case... the U.S.A. should become more like Europe. (I never thought I would ever say that)
*Shivers*

---My cousin (from England) is 16 and he gets alchohol easily. No fake ID's and no people over-18 to get the alchohol for him. So, I doubt the laws are really enforced.

---Lifeisgood, where are those "many reasons", I am dieing to hear them.
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7/4/2009 5:18:06 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Like someone said, the federal government couldn't actually mandate a drinking age for the nation because it is a state's right to do so. They got around that by offering so much federal funding for transportation/highways/etc. to states that have the limit at 21. As far as i know, all states have done so.
The main reason i have heard for the current drinking age is that human brains don't finish developing until around 21, thus they try to protect young people's brains from harm via alcohol. But it has more to do with certain influential groups' morals than science.
Personally, I'm with Panda, if people are raised around responsible models for drinking, they can avoid major problems like alcohol poisoning/abuse. Lower the drinking age, SCREW the drinking age on private property, and show teens the right way to drink. Otherwise, either in secret or once they are 21, many go on drinking "binges" in potentially fatal manners.
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7/4/2009 6:06:15 PM
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The actual reason? Drinking makes people more irrational. Young people are physically stronger than older people. Many older people fear the idea of uncontrollable and irrational young people. Therefore, they make laws to limit their irrationality. Simple animal instinct. Old monkeys hate being pushed around by young challengers. It's a dominance issue.
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7/4/2009 6:17:03 PM
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At 7/4/2009 5:18:32 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/3/2009 6:22:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/3/2009 1:38:11 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I laugh at every American who has the misbelief that Europe's drinking ages are like 16.

Yes, Germany, Italy, etc. are lenient about their drinking laws. But at 16, it's only the light stuff.

In Ireland (The supposed nation of Drinkers and Debauchees), it's 18, with no legal age on private property.
Woohoo, you can go in a bar?

That's private property ^_^

Clarification: Bar = Pub

Pub = Slang for Public House, an industrial age term for a public place to drink

A private establishment must have a licence to sell alcohol. Then, they must serve the legal age.

So, in other words not private property, but an alcoholic Castle doctrine. There is a distinction.
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7/8/2009 5:41:49 PM
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At 7/3/2009 6:27:23 PM, wjmelements wrote:
*Waits patiently for these "many good reasons"

I don't consider there to be any. People should be able to drink at the age of responsibility.

What is this "age of responsibility"? As for those of you who ask what the many good reasons are... heck, I don't know. There has to be some reason why the drinking age is specifically 21.

Oh man... I'm gonna get it now...
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7/9/2009 7:55:34 AM
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I thought the drinking age was 21 because your brain stops developing once you're about 22. I'm not sure of the specifics (I'll ask Vi when she gets home -- she's the Psych major, and we're taking a Brain and Behavior class together, though I can't remember this specific detail)... Anyway I think in addition to the responsibility issue is also the biological fact that something significant happens to our brains once we reach that age. I personally disagree with the law though as well (even though I'm of age).
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7/9/2009 8:11:55 AM
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At 7/9/2009 7:55:34 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I thought the drinking age was 21 because your brain stops developing once you're about 22.
Recent science tells us about 25.
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7/9/2009 8:49:20 AM
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Aha. Thank you, Ragnar and Lwerd. I strongly suspected it was something along those lines.
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7/10/2009 7:56:32 AM
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At 7/9/2009 8:11:55 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/9/2009 7:55:34 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I thought the drinking age was 21 because your brain stops developing once you're about 22.
Recent science tells us about 25.

That's a relief. Although I've killed quite a lot of brain cells already...
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7/10/2009 10:22:20 AM
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At 7/10/2009 7:56:32 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 7/9/2009 8:11:55 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/9/2009 7:55:34 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I thought the drinking age was 21 because your brain stops developing once you're about 22.
Recent science tells us about 25.

That's a relief. Although I've killed quite a lot of brain cells already...

A relief?

As in "Glad I'm not stuck with this brain yet?"

If so you seem to be considerably underevaluating :)
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7/10/2009 10:50:30 AM
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Drinking kills off brain cells, which is good.

Natural selections proves that only the strongest can survive change. And the brain can only go as fast as the slowest cells. Ergo, drinking makes you smarterer...rer
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7/10/2009 11:28:09 AM
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nothing wrong with neurocyte death :D
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: At 5/5/2009 9:47:22 PM, rogerklotz wrote:
:That's obviously changed by the government. The Atlanteans probably had something to do with it.
: QUIT USING LOGIC

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: At 5/5/2009 11:41:18 AM, Volkov wrote:
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7/13/2009 10:39:57 AM
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At 7/3/2009 1:38:11 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
I laugh at every American who has the misbelief that Europe's drinking ages are like 16.

Yes, Germany, Italy, etc. are lenient about their drinking laws. But at 16, it's only the light stuff.

In Ireland (The supposed nation of Drinkers and Debauchees), it's 18, with no legal age on private property. So, my Dad could be giving me Guinness topped with Baileys without any law enforcement response.

Besides, the teaching that alcohol like wine is acceptable at small doses with a meal at an early age is better than preventing people from drinking as long as possible. Works for Europe. Mainland Europe.

the age for liquor may be 18, but nobody checks ID...
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7/18/2009 5:22:52 PM
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In Milan there has been a storm of protest because the city has banned the sale of alcohol to under 16's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Apparently this is because 1/3 of 11 year-olds have alcohol-related problems so it is probably a good thing.

21 seems too old to me though.
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7/18/2009 5:40:58 PM
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At 7/10/2009 10:50:30 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:


Natural selections proves that only the strongest can survive change.
Er, more like the most adaptable to change survive... : )
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11/27/2009 11:35:30 AM
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It's was 18 at one time, but got changed to 21 during the mid-to-late 1970's. (I think 1978, but I'm not sure)...

It was changed because of the high amount of alcohol related car accidents among the 18 to 21 demographic.
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11/27/2009 12:34:19 PM
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Yeah, which is stupid. However, now that I'm older and all that, looking back I think HS kids are friggin RETARDED and probably shouldn't be drinking. Haha. I was watching this reality show yesterday where this 17 year old girl was like sneaking alcoholic beverages from her parents' party and you could just tell by the look on her face that she thought she was so0o0o cool. Oh yes. You're so cool, my friend, so cool. Anyway, I think the law should just be amended so that people can drink when they're 18. It's stupid to hold them accountable in the eyes of the law as adults but not give them the adult "privilege" to drink alcohol.
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11/27/2009 12:39:11 PM
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Now that my 21st birthday is coming up in August, I've changed my mind on the issue, just to stick it to you younger guys out there. MWAHAHA.

But seriously, I'm for the drinking age being moved to 14/13. I think Parents should encourage drinking at dinner time and have time to teach children at an impressionable age, proper drinking when to stop, etc. Besides the bad kids who are drinking at parties will do it anyway, you're only punishing the responsible kids and preventing anyone from having it taught by the parents. By illegalizing it, you making it the "cool" thing to do. Instead of letting colleges be the place where our children start drinking, we should have the dinner table be the place.
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