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Game: Name That Fallacy!

Lifeisgood
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8/8/2009 7:21:26 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I will post here whenever I have time and inspiration.

Here is how it's going to be. I will post some commonly known or made up phrases. You guys will try to point out the flaw/fallacy in each statement. You will also provide your own fallacious statements for others to point out. This should be fun.

To start, name the flaw/fallacy in the following statement:
There is an exception to everything.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
wjmelements
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8/8/2009 7:36:07 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/8/2009 7:21:26 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
There is an exception to everything.

Self-contradictory statement.

How about:
If I eat a dog, then I will become one.
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MTGandP
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8/8/2009 7:38:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/8/2009 7:36:07 PM, wjmelements wrote:
How about:
If I eat a dog, then I will become one.

False premise. Relies on the unproven idea that you are what you eat.

How about:
You shouldn't be on the computer all the time. It's not natural.
Lifeisgood
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8/8/2009 7:42:59 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/8/2009 7:36:07 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/8/2009 7:21:26 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
There is an exception to everything.

Self-contradictory statement.

Yay! Good job, wjmelements.

I read that statement in a book, and I immediately threw the book down. Such an obvious error indicates a poor mind.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
mongeese
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8/8/2009 9:15:03 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/8/2009 7:38:55 PM, MTGandP wrote:
How about:
You shouldn't be on the computer all the time. It's not natural.

That relies on the idea that you should only do what is natural.

Here's a statement:
Black kids are three times as likely to drown as white kids, so water must be racist.
Lifeisgood
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8/9/2009 9:10:39 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/8/2009 9:15:03 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/8/2009 7:38:55 PM, MTGandP wrote:
How about:
You shouldn't be on the computer all the time. It's not natural.

That relies on the idea that you should only do what is natural.

You got to it first. Darn.

Here's a statement:
Black kids are three times as likely to drown as white kids, so water must be racist.

Faulty inference. There could be a number of reasons as to why black kids are three times as likely to drown as white kids. Water being racist is not the only one.

Here are a couple more. Assume the people speaking are telling the truth.

"Billy, I think that new video game you bought has affected you. Since you got it, you have been darker and more reclusive."*

"Our army will surely win the battle. We have the finest soldiers on earth."

*This is close to a what my parents said to me a few years ago. I quickly pointed out the fallacy in their argument. Needless to say, I left the discussion grounded.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
mongeese
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8/9/2009 9:15:14 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/9/2009 9:10:39 AM, Lifeisgood wrote:
Here are a couple more. Assume the people speaking are telling the truth.

"Billy, I think that new video game you bought has affected you. Since you got it, you have been darker and more reclusive."*
Correlation vs. Causation

"Our army will surely win the battle. We have the finest soldiers on earth."
"Fine" can be defined in numerous ways, including ways that have no relevance to battle whatsoever.

*This is close to a what my parents said to me a few years ago. I quickly pointed out the fallacy in their argument. Needless to say, I left the discussion grounded.
Ouch.

"This summer is hotter than last summer. Therefore, we are suffering from man-induced global warming."
Lifeisgood
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8/9/2009 9:28:50 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/9/2009 9:15:14 AM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/9/2009 9:10:39 AM, Lifeisgood wrote:

"Billy, I think that new video game you bought has affected you. Since you got it, you have been darker and more reclusive."*
Correlation vs. Causation

Good job.

"Our army will surely win the battle. We have the finest soldiers on earth."
"Fine" can be defined in numerous ways, including ways that have no relevance to battle whatsoever.

Hmm. Not quite the fallacy I was implying.

'Finest' was probably not a good word. I meant more along the lines of 'best', as in no soldiers on earth are better in any way pertaining to being a soldier.

*This is close to a what my parents said to me a few years ago. I quickly pointed out the fallacy in their argument. Needless to say, I left the discussion grounded.
Ouch.

Ouch indeed. I learned an important lesson that day.

"This summer is hotter than last summer. Therefore, we are suffering from man-induced global warming."

Same fallacy as before. Man-induced global warming is not the only explanation for the increase in temperature.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
wjmelements
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8/9/2009 10:50:10 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Name that fallacy:
If one is a fox, then one has teeth.
I am not a fox.
Therefore, I do not have teeth.
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Lifeisgood
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8/9/2009 7:26:44 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/9/2009 10:50:10 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Name that fallacy:
If one is a fox, then one has teeth.
I am not a fox.
Therefore, I do not have teeth.

Non sequitur. It does not follow.

Try making fallacious statements that are not quite so obviously fallacious.

Here's another one.

"Religions came about from primitive humans with little understanding of the world. Therefore, religions are incorrect."
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
MTGandP
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8/9/2009 9:40:49 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/9/2009 10:50:10 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Name that fallacy:
If one is a fox, then one has teeth.
I am not a fox.
Therefore, I do not have teeth.
Affirming the consequent.

Mine a while back was technically the naturalistic fallacy.

How about this one? It's trickier since you have to do some research.
Since assault victims correctly identify the race of their assailant 80% of the time and they identify the assailant to be black 90% of the time, the assailant is probably black at least 72% of the time. (Numbers are made up.)
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8/10/2009 2:08:21 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/9/2009 9:40:49 PM, MTGandP wrote:
At 8/9/2009 10:50:10 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Name that fallacy:
If one is a fox, then one has teeth.
I am not a fox.
Therefore, I do not have teeth.
Affirming the consequent.

Mine a while back was technically the naturalistic fallacy.

How about this one? It's trickier since you have to do some research.
Since assault victims correctly identify the race of their assailant 80% of the time and they identify the assailant to be black 90% of the time, the assailant is probably black at least 72% of the time. (Numbers are made up.)

IDK what it's called, but the statistic leaves out the number of assaults in which one does not identify the race of their assailant.
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wjmelements
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8/10/2009 2:11:49 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/9/2009 7:26:44 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
At 8/9/2009 10:50:10 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Name that fallacy:
If one is a fox, then one has teeth.
I am not a fox.
Therefore, I do not have teeth.

Non sequitur. It does not follow.

Actually, it just incorrectly treats the original premise as an "if and only if" statement.

Try making fallacious statements that are not quite so obviously fallacious.

Here's another one.

"Religions came about from primitive humans with little understanding of the world. Therefore, religions are incorrect."

I believe that this too is non sequitor.
The statement relies on a false and unnamed premise: "Ideas originating from beings with little understanding of the world are false", which has many a counter-example: paper, fire, the wheel...
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mongeese
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8/10/2009 3:08:47 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Seeing as there are no fallacies currently...

Government is supposed to protect our right to the pursuit of happiness.
Smoking marijuana makes me unhappy.
Therefore, marijuana should be illegal.
Lifeisgood
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8/10/2009 4:17:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Note: the general truth of the fallacies here are not in question. It is the reasoning behind the statements which is faulty and needs to be pointed out.

At 8/10/2009 2:11:49 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/9/2009 7:26:44 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
At 8/9/2009 10:50:10 AM, wjmelements wrote:
Name that fallacy:
If one is a fox, then one has teeth.
I am not a fox.
Therefore, I do not have teeth.

Non sequitur. It does not follow.

Actually, it just incorrectly treats the original premise as an "if and only if" statement.

Hold on. I thought that Non sequitur means that the reasoning does not in actually support the resolution. The resolution 'did not follow' the reasoning in your fallacy. Non sequitur.

"Religions came about from primitive humans with little understanding of the world. Therefore, religions are incorrect."

I believe that this too is non sequitor.
The statement relies on a false and unnamed premise: "Ideas originating from beings with little understanding of the world are false", which has many a counter-example: paper, fire, the wheel...

'Primitive' as in comparison to us. You guys seem to keep getting hung up on the semantics of these statements. Try that one again.

@Mongeese

Seeing as there are no fallacies currently...

Actually, my 'soldier' fallacy has yet to be adequately refuted. It is still alive.

Government is supposed to protect our right to the pursuit of happiness.
Smoking marijuana makes me unhappy.
Therefore, marijuana should be illegal.

Not sure what fallacy you are aiming for here. It seems there are several.

Here are a few more fallacies that seem to be common.

"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. You can't force your beliefs on me."

"God doesn't exist because no one has proven he does."
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
mongeese
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8/10/2009 5:24:59 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/10/2009 4:17:33 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:

"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. You can't force your beliefs on me."
Non sequitor.

"God doesn't exist because no one has proven he does."
Negative proof.
wjmelements
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8/10/2009 5:27:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/10/2009 5:24:59 PM, mongeese wrote:
"God doesn't exist because no one has proven he does."
Negative proof.

Argument from ignorance, actually.
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MTGandP
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8/10/2009 6:27:10 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/10/2009 2:08:21 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/9/2009 9:40:49 PM, MTGandP wrote:
How about this one? It's trickier since you have to do some research.
Since assault victims correctly identify the race of their assailant 80% of the time and they identify the assailant to be black 90% of the time, the assailant is probably black at least 72% of the time. (Numbers are made up.)

IDK what it's called, but the statistic leaves out the number of assaults in which one does not identify the race of their assailant.

The number of assaults in which one does not identify the race of their assailant is 20%.
Lifeisgood
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8/10/2009 7:28:02 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/10/2009 5:24:59 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 8/10/2009 4:17:33 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:

"Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. You can't force your beliefs on me."
Non sequitor.

You think so? I meant it to be along the lines of self-contradiction. For example, if everyone is entitled to their beliefs, then I am entitled to the belief that everyone is not entitled to their beliefs, and I can thus force my beliefs upon you.

Here are two that were apparently dropped.

"We have the best soldiers in the world. We will surely win the battle."

"Religions came about from primitive humans with little understanding of the world. Therefore, religions are incorrect."

And here are some new ones.

"McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in town. I must be the best."

"Liberalism is stupid. Therefore, Liberals are stupid."

Again, don't question the veracity of the statements. Question the logic behind them.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
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8/10/2009 7:35:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I don't know the names to any fallacies, but I want in on this game. So I'll just say what I find wrong with them.

"McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in town. It must be the best."

1. "Best" is subjective
2. Popular doesn't necessarily mean good (perhaps just cheap, etc.)

Something tells me I'm wrong on both counts.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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8/10/2009 9:31:39 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/10/2009 7:35:33 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
I don't know the names to any fallacies, but I want in on this game. So I'll just say what I find wrong with them.

"McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in town. It must be the best."

1. "Best" is subjective
2. Popular doesn't necessarily mean good (perhaps just cheap, etc.)

Something tells me I'm wrong on both counts.

You are right on both counts. The technical term is "appeal to popularity" meaning "people like it so it must be good."
Lifeisgood
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8/11/2009 7:00:03 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Is anyone going to refute my other fallacies? Please?
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
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8/12/2009 12:39:54 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/11/2009 7:00:03 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
Is anyone going to refute my other fallacies? Please?

Which ones? I didn't see any others.
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8/14/2009 3:45:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/12/2009 12:39:54 PM, MTGandP wrote:
At 8/11/2009 7:00:03 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
Is anyone going to refute my other fallacies? Please?

Which ones? I didn't see any others.

Are you serious? Look at my last post.

Here are two that were apparently dropped.

"We have the best soldiers in the world. We will surely win the battle."

"Religions came about from primitive humans with little understanding of the world. Therefore, religions are incorrect."

And here are some new ones.

"McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in town. I must be the best."

"Liberalism is stupid. Therefore, Liberals are stupid."

Those are the ones I was talking about. The first two were never adequately answered, and two of the new ones were never even mentioned.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln
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8/14/2009 3:52:14 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/10/2009 7:28:02 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
"We have the best soldiers in the world. We will surely win the battle."

Given that the others weren't right:
Composition.
The parts being good doesn't make the whole good.
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MTGandP
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8/14/2009 4:08:23 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/10/2009 7:28:02 PM, Lifeisgood wrote:
"Religions came about from primitive humans with little understanding of the world. Therefore, religions are incorrect."
Ad hominem.

"McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in town. I must be the best."
Appeal to majority.

"Liberalism is stupid. Therefore, Liberals are stupid."
Hasty generalization.

Usafkid said:
If clouds are my memories, then the sky is my mind.
False analogy.