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9/9/2009 2:46:18 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Found this on the news this morning, as far as I know this is the first time Anonymous has attacked in Australia:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au...
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

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9/9/2009 2:52:34 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I personally have little tolerance for the actions of these people. If they want to fight internet censorship, which I'm actually all for, they shouldn't go around demonstrating reasons why authorities should step in to protect private and public interests.
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9/9/2009 2:56:58 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 2:52:34 PM, Volkov wrote:
I personally have little tolerance for the actions of these people. If they want to fight internet censorship, which I'm actually all for, they shouldn't go around demonstrating reasons why authorities should step in to protect private and public interests.

Yeah it does seem a little self-defeating doesn't it. The best thing the group has done in my opinion was this: http://www.kenny-glenn.net...

I don't even particularly like cats, but if there's one thing I dislike more it's animal abusers.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/9/2009 3:01:11 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 2:56:58 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Yeah it does seem a little self-defeating doesn't it. The best thing the group has done in my opinion was this: http://www.kenny-glenn.net...

I don't even particularly like cats, but if there's one thing I dislike more it's animal abusers.

Very true, though I have some slight problems with this, because I don't believe that it is right for them to necessarily put out all of his information on the internet like that... even though Glenn clearly deserves it.

I liked Anonymous for their stance against Scientology, but I still find that they go too far sometimes.
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9/9/2009 3:05:00 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:01:11 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 9/9/2009 2:56:58 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Yeah it does seem a little self-defeating doesn't it. The best thing the group has done in my opinion was this: http://www.kenny-glenn.net...

I don't even particularly like cats, but if there's one thing I dislike more it's animal abusers.

Very true, though I have some slight problems with this, because I don't believe that it is right for them to necessarily put out all of his information on the internet like that... even though Glenn clearly deserves it.

Yeah, it's a tough one. On one hand, he deserves everything he gets and putting his info out like that is a damn good way to get back at him. On the other hand, he was 14 years old when he did it, and people should have a chance to make good on the mistakes they made at that age. That information will be on the internet forever.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
Volkov
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9/9/2009 3:14:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:05:00 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Yeah, it's a tough one. On one hand, he deserves everything he gets and putting his info out like that is a damn good way to get back at him. On the other hand, he was 14 years old when he did it, and people should have a chance to make good on the mistakes they made at that age. That information will be on the internet forever.

I suppose the difference between the situation Glenn was in and others is that Glenn did willingly put his information on the internet, information that was mostly available to the public. That I can see being relatively okay, just because the information was completely available and didn't necessarily break any privacy laws.

What they did do that is both legally and morally reprehensible is post the phone numbers and addresses of Glenn's family - what did they do to deserve that? Getting back at Glenn, sure - contact the authorities and make sure the animals are saved. But to allow people to literally target and harass family members... I would throw these people in jail for such an action, instead of just Glenn.
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9/9/2009 3:22:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I fully favor hacking the websites of ebil government officials.

Animal abuse I don't even favor laws against so screw anon on that account :).
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9/9/2009 3:28:42 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:22:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Animal abuse I don't even favor laws against so screw anon on that account :).

Shouldn't you support their actions against Glenn? They may have contacted the law in the end, but the idea was to gather a bunch of private citizens to make Glenn pay, which they did - is that not how you believe it should work? Regardless of whether or not you like harming little kittens, their reaction seems to be right up your alley.
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9/9/2009 3:30:23 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 2:56:58 PM, leet4A1 wrote:


Yeah it does seem a little self-defeating doesn't it. The best thing the group has done in my opinion was this: http://www.kenny-glenn.net...

I don't even particularly like cats, but if there's one thing I dislike more it's animal abusers.

That's ace, what a little sh#t. I particularly like the dude with the "yea, I'm fat but that's not the point" pic.

It's a kind of vigilantism I guess and is definitely morally questionable but I can't help admiring it when proven scumbags are punished.

Not Anonymous but similar admirable mischief: http://www.guardian.co.uk...
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9/9/2009 3:31:07 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:28:42 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 9/9/2009 3:22:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Animal abuse I don't even favor laws against so screw anon on that account :).

Shouldn't you support their actions against Glenn? They may have contacted the law in the end, but the idea was to gather a bunch of private citizens to make Glenn pay, which they did - is that not how you believe it should work?
That's what's called a compromise, I don't do that stuff remember? If you want to privately boycott daddy's company till he gets disowned or whatever, find, but the law did get contacted and that invalidates the rest :).
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9/9/2009 3:32:26 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
*fine not find*
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9/9/2009 3:33:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:22:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
I fully favor hacking the websites of ebil government officials.

Animal abuse I don't even favor laws against so screw anon on that account :).

You don't think it should be illegal to torture animals? I'd love to hear how you talked yourself into believing this one.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/9/2009 3:33:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:31:07 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
That's what's called a compromise, I don't do that stuff remember? If you want to privately boycott daddy's company till he gets disowned or whatever, find, but the law did get contacted and that invalidates the rest :).

Regardless of whether or not they contacted the law - the idea was that individuals each did their own actions to ensure Glenn was punished. That isn't necessarily compromise as it is co-operation - or are you against that as well?
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9/9/2009 3:38:13 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
You don't think it should be illegal to torture animals? I'd love to hear how you talked yourself into believing this one.
Animals don't have any rights, and therefore the rights of the abuser are intact even after the abuse.

Regardless of whether or not they contacted the law - the idea was that individuals each did their own actions to ensure Glenn was punished. That isn't necessarily compromise as it is co-operation - or are you against that as well?
Did they have Glenn's cooperation on this account?
).
And they had no right to "punish" him by any means except refraining from dealings with him. I am no more in favor of random individuals beating up innocents than I am of the government doing it.
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9/9/2009 3:40:09 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:38:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Did they have Glenn's cooperation on this account?
).
And they had no right to "punish" him by any means except refraining from dealings with him. I am no more in favor of random individuals beating up innocents than I am of the government doing it.

Fair enough; somehow though, this seems like a very flimsy excuse. I can't quite pin it down, but I just get that feeling.
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9/9/2009 3:45:02 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:38:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You don't think it should be illegal to torture animals? I'd love to hear how you talked yourself into believing this one.
Animals don't have any rights, and therefore the rights of the abuser are intact even after the abuse.

Oh so THAT'S how you talked yourself into believing it. Original.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/9/2009 3:46:07 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:45:02 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/9/2009 3:38:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You don't think it should be illegal to torture animals? I'd love to hear how you talked yourself into believing this one.
Animals don't have any rights, and therefore the rights of the abuser are intact even after the abuse.

Oh so THAT'S how you talked yourself into believing it. Original.

Technically, the burden of proof for any law is on the affirmative. How do you talk yourself into the contrary, or is it "feelings?" :)
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9/9/2009 3:53:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:46:07 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 9/9/2009 3:45:02 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/9/2009 3:38:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You don't think it should be illegal to torture animals? I'd love to hear how you talked yourself into believing this one.
Animals don't have any rights, and therefore the rights of the abuser are intact even after the abuse.

Oh so THAT'S how you talked yourself into believing it. Original.

Technically, the burden of proof for any law is on the affirmative. How do you talk yourself into the contrary, or is it "feelings?" :)

Pretty much, yeah, despite your ingenious use of quotation marks and emoticons. I feel that inflicting unwarranted pain on animals is a wrongdoing, regardless whether or not that animal wears t-shirts and plays the banjo. Wrongdoings are punished in this society by law.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/9/2009 4:29:21 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
When Anonymous gets off its collective àss, I support its actions.

Most of the time.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

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So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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9/9/2009 5:39:04 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 5:14:27 PM, idontbelieveit wrote:
"We have over 9000 penises raping little boys as we speak." - Oprah

The price of eggs?
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/9/2009 5:43:43 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 5:39:04 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/9/2009 5:14:27 PM, idontbelieveit wrote:
"We have over 9000 penises raping little boys as we speak." - Oprah

The price of eggs?

Que?

Anonymous got Oprah too. Search 9000 penises on YouTube.
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9/9/2009 6:27:23 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 5:43:43 PM, idontbelieveit wrote:
At 9/9/2009 5:39:04 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/9/2009 5:14:27 PM, idontbelieveit wrote:
"We have over 9000 penises raping little boys as we speak." - Oprah

The price of eggs?

Que?

Anonymous got Oprah too. Search 9000 penises on YouTube.

Can't man, I'm at work. What was it all about?
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/9/2009 6:27:42 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 5:59:09 PM, Puck wrote:
I won't be able to with Rudd's filter. :P

Haha!
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5