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11/1/2012 9:09:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
So...I've been thinking about enlisting in the Army after HS, specifically the Rangers (already been physically preparing however much I can)

I have a few reasons I want to enlist, mainly 1) Don't want to go to college (couple of reasons why). 2) I want to do something that I can be proud of throughout my life. 3) I want to do something exciting. Obviously I know the risk; I can die. I am not worried about that too much though. Might as well die doing something worth while.

I know it'll be a huge mental and physical challenge, but I want to do something challenging! I don't want to sit in a class room for four years, accumulate a bunch of debt, etc. Making lots of money isn't really a big deal for me, honestly.

Like I said, I'm already physically preparing. As for the ASVAB, just started studying today. I think I can ace the math sections (my best subject) and score above average on GS and VE. As for mechanics and shop etc, that'll be the only area I really need to study.

Oh, and I can't talk to a recruiter atm. I'm still trying to find the best way to tell the 'rents my plans. Not sure how they'll take it, either moderately good or really, really bad. No way for me to talk to a recruiter without them knowing (home schooled :-/).

So, any advice on joining? I'm positive this is what I want to do, and I'm committed. Just would like to hear from those from the Army since I can't talk to a recruiter just yet! XD
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11/1/2012 9:27:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 9:09:56 PM, EvanK wrote:
Obviously I know the risk; I can die. I am not worried about that too much though. Might as well die doing something worth while.

Ignore the dying part. If you're in the army your chances of dying are extremely, EXTREMELY low.
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11/2/2012 12:26:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Don't join the army. You'll be used as a pawn for the state and you'll forfeit your basic human rights. It's not even a good deal if you're looking to go to college afterward.
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11/2/2012 12:30:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 9:27:13 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/1/2012 9:09:56 PM, EvanK wrote:
Obviously I know the risk; I can die. I am not worried about that too much though. Might as well die doing something worth while.

Ignore the dying part. If you're in the army your chances of dying are extremely, EXTREMELY low.

Also for #3, I can imagine the army would be kind of boring. Part of your training involves standing in formation for hours and hours. And I can imagine most days in the military is basically doing nothing.

This video probably best describes it.
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11/2/2012 12:45:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 9:09:56 PM, EvanK wrote:
So...I've been thinking about enlisting in the Army after HS, specifically the Rangers (already been physically preparing however much I can)

Don't enlist.

I have a few reasons I want to enlist, mainly 1) Don't want to go to college (couple of reasons why).

Okay, you can still work in the private sector doing something productive instead of college, which is a rip-off financially anyway.

2) I want to do something that I can be proud of throughout my life.

There is no pride in military service anymore. The US Government fights wars of aggression that kill millions of innocent people in foreign countries, while injuring and psychologically harming the rest. This actually increases terrorism and negative attitudes toward the US. Furthermore, the money that is used to "pay" you for decreasing our national security through warfare is either 1) stolen via taxation, 2) borrowed abroad using human beings as collateral, or 3) printed through using a monopoly on the creation of currency, the Fed to devalue the currency more. All increase the US debt.

3) I want to do something exciting. Obviously I know the risk; I can die. I am not worried about that too much though. Might as well die doing something worth while.

Being a pawn for politicians is not something worth-while. War is f*cking hell. All war is is organized murder. Very few Americans at this point support the US wars of aggression, so it's not even that Americans will think what you're doing is worth-while. There are millions of more exciting, fun, and worth-while activities for you to do here in the US that you cannot do in the Army. Ending your life in your teens or twenties is not a smart move, and you miss out on so much of what living life is about.

I know it'll be a huge mental and physical challenge, but I want to do something challenging! I don't want to sit in a class room for four years, accumulate a bunch of debt, etc. Making lots of money isn't really a big deal for me, honestly.

Niether is it for me, studies show happiness only increases up to about $70,000 a year. That's why you should just make enough money to do things that you love, see shows, meet girls, explore, visit countries, help out your fellow man. The mental anguish that so many soldiers return home with is terrible. PTSD is a legit condition, and soldiers have been driven to suicide by it.

Like I said, I'm already physically preparing. As for the ASVAB, just started studying today. I think I can ace the math sections (my best subject) and score above average on GS and VE. As for mechanics and shop etc, that'll be the only area I really need to study.

Physically prepare for yourself, not for an institution of violence that views your life as a disposable casualty in battle. Think of all the p*ssy you could be getting by working out, staying here in the US, and making money. Study for a job that will actually improve society, instead of one that will be a net-loss to our society and to foreigners as well.

Oh, and I can't talk to a recruiter atm. I'm still trying to find the best way to tell the 'rents my plans. Not sure how they'll take it, either moderately good or really, really bad. No way for me to talk to a recruiter without them knowing (home schooled :-/).

Recruiters are like used car salesmen. They'll tell you anything you want to hear, so that you sign on the dotted line. Don't fall for their bullsh!t.

So, any advice on joining? I'm positive this is what I want to do, and I'm committed. Just would like to hear from those from the Army since I can't talk to a recruiter just yet! XD

Don't enlist, don't subjugate yourself to the level of a pawn for the state. Don't buy into the bullsh!t that you're "protecting our country" or that you'll "be courageous in battle." Military service endangers our country more than protects it; there is nothing courageous about occupying someone's homeland and slaughtering innocent people. You have self-respect, you're a human being. You have the chance to do things that are productive, worthwhile, fun, fulfilling, healthy, and that are part of the human experience that you will get to experience by not joining the military. I hope you choose the moral and intellectual high ground by not enlisting.
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11/2/2012 2:46:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
This site has a lot of good articles full of info. I suggest reading all of the "must read" pages on the top left as well as any others you find worthwhile. http://usmilitary.about.com...

WSA has some valid concerns, but given that your profile says you're Pro on all the wars, and his concerns are largely about the WoT being bad (I agree, but meh), there probably isn't much conflict for you.

I'm not sure what the chances are of you being sent to a warzone. If you were fully enlisted today, chances are you would be deployed, but by the time you're out of highschool, finish Basic and everything, the War in Afghanistan could very well be over, so you may not have to go anywhere at all. Both presidential candidates are adamant that they won't send troops into Iran.

Good luck either way.

TUF is a member here who also joined the Army, but he's in Basic for 4 more months. If you want to talk directly to some military people, there's probably numerous forums that are filled with them.
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11/2/2012 9:19:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/2/2012 12:45:22 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 11/1/2012 9:09:56 PM, EvanK wrote:
So...I've been thinking about enlisting in the Army after HS, specifically the Rangers (already been physically preparing however much I can)

Don't enlist.

I have a few reasons I want to enlist, mainly 1) Don't want to go to college (couple of reasons why).

Okay, you can still work in the private sector doing something productive instead of college, which is a rip-off financially anyway.

2) I want to do something that I can be proud of throughout my life.

There is no pride in military service anymore. The US Government fights wars of aggression that kill millions of innocent people in foreign countries, while injuring and psychologically harming the rest. This actually increases terrorism and negative attitudes toward the US. Furthermore, the money that is used to "pay" you for decreasing our national security through warfare is either 1) stolen via taxation, 2) borrowed abroad using human beings as collateral, or 3) printed through using a monopoly on the creation of currency, the Fed to devalue the currency more. All increase the US debt.

3) I want to do something exciting. Obviously I know the risk; I can die. I am not worried about that too much though. Might as well die doing something worth while.

Being a pawn for politicians is not something worth-while. War is f*cking hell. All war is is organized murder. Very few Americans at this point support the US wars of aggression, so it's not even that Americans will think what you're doing is worth-while. There are millions of more exciting, fun, and worth-while activities for you to do here in the US that you cannot do in the Army. Ending your life in your teens or twenties is not a smart move, and you miss out on so much of what living life is about.

I know it'll be a huge mental and physical challenge, but I want to do something challenging! I don't want to sit in a class room for four years, accumulate a bunch of debt, etc. Making lots of money isn't really a big deal for me, honestly.

Niether is it for me, studies show happiness only increases up to about $70,000 a year. That's why you should just make enough money to do things that you love, see shows, meet girls, explore, visit countries, help out your fellow man. The mental anguish that so many soldiers return home with is terrible. PTSD is a legit condition, and soldiers have been driven to suicide by it.

Like I said, I'm already physically preparing. As for the ASVAB, just started studying today. I think I can ace the math sections (my best subject) and score above average on GS and VE. As for mechanics and shop etc, that'll be the only area I really need to study.

Physically prepare for yourself, not for an institution of violence that views your life as a disposable casualty in battle. Think of all the p*ssy you could be getting by working out, staying here in the US, and making money. Study for a job that will actually improve society, instead of one that will be a net-loss to our society and to foreigners as well.

Oh, and I can't talk to a recruiter atm. I'm still trying to find the best way to tell the 'rents my plans. Not sure how they'll take it, either moderately good or really, really bad. No way for me to talk to a recruiter without them knowing (home schooled :-/).

Recruiters are like used car salesmen. They'll tell you anything you want to hear, so that you sign on the dotted line. Don't fall for their bullsh!t.

So, any advice on joining? I'm positive this is what I want to do, and I'm committed. Just would like to hear from those from the Army since I can't talk to a recruiter just yet! XD

Don't enlist, don't subjugate yourself to the level of a pawn for the state. Don't buy into the bullsh!t that you're "protecting our country" or that you'll "be courageous in battle." Military service endangers our country more than protects it; there is nothing courageous about occupying someone's homeland and slaughtering innocent people. You have self-respect, you're a human being. You have the chance to do things that are productive, worthwhile, fun, fulfilling, healthy, and that are part of the human experience that you will get to experience by not joining the military. I hope you choose the moral and intellectual high ground by not enlisting.

Interesting points. I'm also considering Air Force, but Army was kinda my main interest. Nothing set in stone yet, but one thing is for sure, I want to enlist in the military. :D
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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11/2/2012 9:21:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/2/2012 2:46:04 AM, BlackVoid wrote:
This site has a lot of good articles full of info. I suggest reading all of the "must read" pages on the top left as well as any others you find worthwhile. http://usmilitary.about.com...

WSA has some valid concerns, but given that your profile says you're Pro on all the wars, and his concerns are largely about the WoT being bad (I agree, but meh), there probably isn't much conflict for you.

I'm not sure what the chances are of you being sent to a warzone. If you were fully enlisted today, chances are you would be deployed, but by the time you're out of highschool, finish Basic and everything, the War in Afghanistan could very well be over, so you may not have to go anywhere at all. Both presidential candidates are adamant that they won't send troops into Iran.

Good luck either way.

TUF is a member here who also joined the Army, but he's in Basic for 4 more months. If you want to talk directly to some military people, there's probably numerous forums that are filled with them.

Yeah, I am pro war, in the sense that I agreed with the wars in theory. Obviously they were screwed up, but I agree that we should wipe out terrorism. I'm also considering Air Force too, so I'll just keep thinking about it. Just seeing what others had to say. Thanks for the input.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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11/2/2012 9:35:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/1/2012 9:09:56 PM, EvanK wrote:
So, any advice on joining? I'm positive this is what I want to do, and I'm committed. Just would like to hear from those from the Army since I can't talk to a recruiter just yet! XD

Don't join for the so-called "excitement" of being in the military. So I wouldn't recommend joining Special Forces unless you want to make a career out of it, because being a special forces soldier doesn't translate into any civilian jobs.

I would suggest looking into the Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard or look into getting a job in the Army that translates into a civilian career later on.

For example, I was romanced by the excitement of being in the military because of movies, books, etc.

I realized that would have been a mistake, so recently I signed a contract with the Air Force to be a air traffic controller.

But if being a Ranger or Green Beret is something you're set on, then go for it. But don't have the mindset you're going to be like Rambo, since you have a good chance of never actually seeing combat in the military and much less ever kill someone.
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11/3/2012 12:21:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Take to heart the words of highly decorated major general Smedley Butler.
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11/3/2012 1:01:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
@quarter, what are the chances of seeing combat if you're deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan? I read that if you're new and active, chances are you will be sent overseas, so this would answer how many of deployed people actually fight.

I don't ever plan on joining, but I'm curious.
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11/3/2012 5:04:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/2/2012 9:35:59 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
At 11/1/2012 9:09:56 PM, EvanK wrote:
So, any advice on joining? I'm positive this is what I want to do, and I'm committed. Just would like to hear from those from the Army since I can't talk to a recruiter just yet! XD

Don't join for the so-called "excitement" of being in the military. So I wouldn't recommend joining Special Forces unless you want to make a career out of it, because being a special forces soldier doesn't translate into any civilian jobs.

I would suggest looking into the Air Force, Navy, or Coast Guard or look into getting a job in the Army that translates into a civilian career later on.

For example, I was romanced by the excitement of being in the military because of movies, books, etc.

: I realized that would have been a mistake, so recently I signed a contract with the Air Force to be a air traffic controller.

But if being a Ranger or Green Beret is something you're set on, then go for it. But don't have the mindset you're going to be like Rambo, since you have a good chance of never actually seeing combat in the military and much less ever kill someone.

Funny you should mention that, AF ATC was my other main consideration, along with Weather Specialist (my Dad did that for 12 years).

I wasn't considering Special Forces because of movies, mainly just because I had a boring child hood (probably not a bad thing) and just want something exciting lol. The Air Force has slowly been growing on me, maybe the Navy but I think the Army and Air Force is more friendly to home schoolers.
The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of people's money."_Margaret Thatcher

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."_Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

"It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled."-Mark Twain
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11/4/2012 10:23:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/3/2012 1:01:26 AM, BlackVoid wrote:
@quarter, what are the chances of seeing combat if you're deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan? I read that if you're new and active, chances are you will be sent overseas, so this would answer how many of deployed people actually fight.

I don't ever plan on joining, but I'm curious.

It really depends on a lot of things such as what branch you are in as well as what your particular military occupation is. The majority of the people in the military don't hold combat roles. They fix equipment, fill out paperwork, drive trucks, work with computers, etc. So if you have one of those jobs, even if you get sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, you probably aren't in any real danger since you're not actually out on combat patrols searching for the enemy.

However if you go into a combat role such as Army or Marine Corps Infantry, your chances were very high. I'm not sure how high the risk is now though since they're supposed to be pulling out. Also by the time Evan is able to enlist and finish special forces training, the wars will be almost over.
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